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Post by peano on Apr 13, 2018 19:27:02 GMT
linkInteresting review. I was hoping to receive some insight into Comey's decision to bring Clinton emails back into news cycle 11 days before the election: As for his controversial disclosure on Oct. 28, 2016, 11 days before the election, that the F.B.I. was reviewing more Clinton emails that might be pertinent to its earlier investigation, Comey notes here that he had assumed from media polling that Clinton was going to win. He has repeatedly asked himself, he writes, whether he was influenced by that assumption: “It is entirely possible that, because I was making decisions in an environment where Hillary Clinton was sure to be the next president, my concern about making her an illegitimate president by concealing the restarted investigation bore greater weight than it would have if the election appeared closer or if Donald Trump were ahead in all polls. But I don’t know.” He adds that he hopes “very much that what we did — what I did — wasn’t a deciding factor in the election.” In testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 3, 2017, Comey stated that the very idea that his decisions might have had an impact on the outcome of the presidential race left him feeling “mildly nauseous” — or, as one of his grammatically minded daughters corrected him, “nauseated.”Also, horrifying and interesting: a harrowing experience he had as a high school senior — when he and his brother were held captive, in their parents’ New Jersey home, by an armed gunman — must have left him with a lasting awareness of justice and mortality.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 13, 2018 20:19:01 GMT
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Post by dewryce on Apr 13, 2018 20:28:08 GMT
Is that what he's doing? I thought this was information that was just being made available to the public, not those who needed to be involved.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 13, 2018 20:33:33 GMT
I don't see how any information that he's put into that book could NOT already have been in the hands of the people who needed it- what information is Nate Silver talking about? We have no idea what Jim Comey told Robert Mueller... and nothing in his book could be considered classified, or it couldn't have been included. (and I'm sure there's LOTS of stuff he had to leave out.)
I don't see any of it as 'grandstanding' in any way-- I also don't think there's anything wrong with the way he wrote about Donald Trump, including his 'gotcha' things about the size of his hands, what he thought about him saying 'I don't look like I need prostitutes' etc. Because after all, it's NOT a book solely about Comey's relationship with Donald Trump- it's Jim Comey's memoirs, and because of that, he gets to write things from his viewpoint.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 13, 2018 20:50:13 GMT
Found this interesting tweet below Silver's: "...you're dismissing the fact that this release is all timed to come out during this part of the investigation to groom the public for impending Mueller bombshells." If this is the case, maybe we'll be seeing something from Mueller in the coming days.
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Post by peano on Apr 13, 2018 23:22:02 GMT
Found this interesting tweet below Silver's: "...you're dismissing the fact that this release is all timed to come out during this part of the investigation to groom the public for impending Mueller bombshells." If this is the case, maybe we'll be seeing something from Mueller in the coming days. I'm confused about why you would think a book publisher would in any way be able to coordinate the publish date of a book with the Mueller investigation. Correct me if I'm not understanding your meaning. I would think book publishers schedule their publish dates way in advance and so would have no way of knowing at what point the investigation was, even if Mueller's investigation were leaky, which it isn't.
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Post by PLurker on Apr 14, 2018 2:54:18 GMT
Found this interesting tweet below Silver's: "...you're dismissing the fact that this release is all timed to come out during this part of the investigation to groom the public for impending Mueller bombshells." If this is the case, maybe we'll be seeing something from Mueller in the coming days. I'm confused about why you would think a book publisher would in any way be able to coordinate the publish date of a book with the Mueller investigation. Correct me if I'm not understanding your meaning. I would think book publishers schedule their publish dates way in advance and so would have no way of knowing at what point the investigation was, even if Mueller's investigation were leaky, which it isn't.  while I don't think it is possible to time it with Mueller's investigation, when this was brought up it did occur to me that it was bound to coincide with something with the scandal-of-the-days coming out of the WH these days.
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Post by MsKnit on Apr 14, 2018 4:56:01 GMT
I'm confused about why you would think a book publisher would in any way be able to coordinate the publish date of a book with the Mueller investigation. Correct me if I'm not understanding your meaning. I would think book publishers schedule their publish dates way in advance and so would have no way of knowing at what point the investigation was, even if Mueller's investigation were leaky, which it isn't.  while I don't think it is possible to time it with Mueller's investigation, when this was brought up it did occur to me that it was bound to coincide with something with the scandal-of-the-days coming out of the WH these days. Think about that one a little. Has there been a period of time in this administration that there hasn’t been some scandal happening?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 11:08:17 GMT
Ah yes, the scandals. There have been some big ones that really got people going. Some of my favorites:
When Trump fired Mueller AND Rosenstein! Oh wait. Scratch that.
Remember when Trump got TWO scoops of ice cream, WITH SPRINKLES?
And who could forget when Melania brought her OWN toilet paper?!?
These scandals will forever be remembered!
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2018 11:17:19 GMT
Ah yes, the scandals. There have been some big ones that really got people going. Some of my favorites: When Trump fired Mueller AND Rosenstein! Oh wait. Scratch that. Remember when Trump got TWO scoops of ice cream, WITH SPRINKLES? And who could forget when Melania brought her OWN toilet paper?!? These scandals will forever be remembered! I'm sorry; I didn't realize you'd been in a coma this past year and a half. Let me catch you up: Trump's Scandals - a List
My best wishes for your full and complete recovery.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 11:34:09 GMT
I hope your fellow democrats and liberals read that and prioritize. The ridiculous outrage over the unimportant and false information is what leaves a lasting impression.
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2018 11:38:08 GMT
I hope your fellow democrats and liberals read that and prioritize. The ridiculous outrage over the unimportant and false information is what leaves a lasting impression. Which information is unimportant or false? Everything in the article has been widely reported on multiple outlets, including your favorite one. I hope Trump supporters read it and wake the heck up. I hope conservatives who are keeping quiet these days read it, and start getting vocal about the abuses by this administration.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 12:03:34 GMT
Just because republicans and conservatives don't react to each and every thing happening, and they don't come here daily, hourly, or by the minute, doesn't mean they aren't aware. I'm guessing because there is so much outrage over the smallest things that don't matter, or aren't even proven true, a lot don't want to waste their energy.
For example, Comey's book: it might be worth a read, but once I heard he was talking about Trump's tan, the size of his hands, and the length of his tie? What a waste.
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 14, 2018 12:11:05 GMT
I've never been a Comey hater, my impression has generally been that he tries to do the right thing regardless of partisan politics. His explanation for why he wrote the Clinton letter is actually pretty enlightening and something I hadn't considered. He is absolutely right, had that not been disclosed and we had this same Congress and Hillary Clinton as President, right now we would be in endless hearing after hearing after hearing about those damn emails. Maybe impeachment proceedings. This was a damned if you, damned if you don't scenario.
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2018 12:35:36 GMT
I've never been a Comey hater, my impression has generally been that he tries to do the right thing regardless of partisan politics. His explanation for why he wrote the Clinton letter is actually pretty enlightening and something I hadn't considered. He is absolutely right, had that not been disclosed and we had this same Congress and Hillary Clinton as President, right now we would be in endless hearing after hearing after hearing about those damn emails. Maybe impeachment proceedings. This was a damned if you, damned if you don't scenario. I agree. It also strikes me as the actions of a guy who is concerned about being fair and transparent over all. The fact that I didn't like the result doesn't mean that I can't acknowledge that he did the right thing based on what he knew at the time. It also makes his assertions about Trump that much more credible. I do wish, though, that he hadn't spent time focusing on Trump's appearance in the book. Whether true or not, it's irrelevant.
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2018 12:39:59 GMT
Just because republicans and conservatives don't react to each and every thing happening, and they don't come here daily, hourly, or by the minute, doesn't mean they aren't aware. I'm guessing because there is so much outrage over the smallest things that don't matter, or aren't even proven true, a lot don't want to waste their energy. For example, Comey's book: it might be worth a read, but once I heard he was talking about Trump's tan, the size of his hands, and the length of his tie? What a waste. I agree with your last paragraph. Focusing on Trump's appearance makes him seem unserious. And I don't think he's unserious. It was a poor choice. I would hope the many principled conservatives who are not supporting Trump will at least continue to read and listen, and let knowledge guide their choices in the 2018 and 2020 elections. I hope they'll become or stay politically active and speak out for principled candidates in their own party. It's excusable to step back from the deluge of news, because it's overwhelming. It's not excusable to let disgust with current office holders (on either side) cause us to be silent in the face of injustice, or to sit out the next election. None of us can afford to be silent any more.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 14, 2018 13:13:44 GMT
Found this interesting tweet below Silver's: "...you're dismissing the fact that this release is all timed to come out during this part of the investigation to groom the public for impending Mueller bombshells." If this is the case, maybe we'll be seeing something from Mueller in the coming days.ollusion I don't know. The "fact that this release is all timed"? Who IS this guy? I got curious enough to click. Identifies himself as a hater of everything Trump. I think this is just a regular guy claiming speculation as fact. Never a good idea. If there was very serious/illegal collusion between Comey-or-his-publisher and Mueller, we'll hear about. And as others have said, breaking news from the investigation that has already indicted 19 people will not be that proof. LOL.
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Post by imsirius on Apr 14, 2018 13:19:58 GMT
Ah yes, the scandals. There have been some big ones that really got people going. Some of my favorites: When Trump fired Mueller AND Rosenstein! Oh wait. Scratch that. Remember when Trump got TWO scoops of ice cream, WITH SPRINKLES? And who could forget when Melania brought her OWN toilet paper?!? These scandals will forever be remembered! Hmmm..seems really silly doesn't it? Just like flip flops, tan suit, bare arms, and fancy mustard.
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Post by imsirius on Apr 14, 2018 13:42:35 GMT
Former FBI director James Comey’s book “A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership” doesn’t hit bookstores until next week, but its contents are becoming known after copies were leaked Thursday.
Among those who got their hands on the tell-all is Rachel Maddow, who read several excerpts live on her MSNBC show Thursday night.
In addition to elaborating on the widely-reported detail that Trump was obsessed about the salacious dossier complied by former MI6 operative Christopher Steele, Comey also takes great pains to imply Trump is shady.
Here are three take-aways from the book, as excerpted.
1) Trump was more worried about the optics of Russian interference in the 2016 election than the geopolitical implications.
As Comey tells it, soon after the election he and several other people met with Trump’s transition team for a briefing with then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper about Russian meddling in the election.
However, in Comey’s account Trump asked only one question, “which was more of a statement: ‘But you found there was no impact on the result, right?'”
Clapper, Comey said, explained to Trump that intelligence analysts had not investigated whether or not the meddling impacted the election result, and could only say that “we found no evidence of alteration of the vote count.”
Comey then said he was taken aback by the fact that “they were about to lead a country that had been attacked by a foreign adversary, but they had no questions about what the future Russian threat might be, nor did they ask how the United States might prepare itself to meet that threat.”
According to Comey, Trump and his team “shifted immediately” into “a strategy session about messaging on Russia. About how they could spin what we just told them.”
Comey says Reince Preibus described a hypothetical press statement “as if we weren’t there,” and that Priebus, Mike Pence, Sean Spicer and Trump “debated how to present these findings for maximum political advantage.”
“They were keen to emphasize that… the Russians hadn’t elected Trump,” according to Comey.
2) Comey suggests Trump and his team were trying to make him (and other non political appointees) complicit in their activities.
Comey says in his book that he’d attended many intelligence briefings with Trump’s predecessors, and that George W. Bush and Barack Obama had never discussed “communications and political strategy in front of intelligence community leaders.”
“I tried to tell myself that maybe this was because Trump and his team had little experience on these matters — Trump, of course, had no experience whatsoever
Comey then goes on to say that the whole thing began to remind him of “New York Mafia social clubs… in the 1980s and 1990s. Comey then talks about how Mafia members distinguish between “a ‘friend of yours,’ meaning someone outside the family, and… a ‘friend of ours,’ meaning an official member of the family.”
“Holy crap,” Comey says he thought. “they are trying to make each of us an ‘amica nostra’ — friend of ours. To draw us in. The president-elect was trying to make us all part of the same family and that Team Trump had made it a ‘thing of ours.'”
3) Yes, Trump is very concerned about That Tape (You know the one we mean).
According to Comey, Trump was very concerned about the claim from the Steele dossier that Russia has blackmail material on him. Specifically, video of him with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel room filmed in 2013, that has infamously come to be known as the “pee dossier
According to Comey, after the national security briefing ended, Trump took him aside for a private chat during which Comey attempted to broach the subject of the tape (though, he said, he avoided mentioning the urinary details).
Trump, Comey says, immediately protested that it wasn’t true. “I explained I wasn’t saying the FBI believed the allegations,” Comey writes. His intent was to make sure Trump knew the claims were becoming public “to protect the presidency from any kind of coercion, whether or not the allegations were true.”
Trump again “strongly denied” the claim, and according to Comey asked “rhetorically, I assumed, whether he seemed like a guy who needed the services of prostitutes.”
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 14, 2018 13:56:18 GMT
[snip] For example, Comey's book: it might be worth a read, but once I heard he was talking about Trump's tan, the size of his hands, and the length of his tie? What a waste. I agree with your last paragraph. Focusing on Trump's appearance makes him seem unserious. And I don't think he's unserious. It was a poor choice. [snip] I'm out of NYT views, so haven't read the review. Are they saying the president's appearance was a focus of the book? If so, yeah, that's just tacky. If, instead, appearance was included as part of descriptions/impressions of Mr. Trump, I'll be neither surprised nor dismayed. It's done all the time (Comey's towering height, Brannon's scruffiness, Zuckerberg's pajamas in public). If we use that as a reason to not read/believe/respect an author of non-fiction or a memoir, we should apply that to all. But the hand size thing is just d-d-d-dumb. Maybe it's as distinctive as the fake tan or the scotch-taped tie. But it's thrown around so much, including here, that the subtext looms even when unintended. Politics has enough figurative d!ck swinging. Our current president swings it unashamedly, and often uses physical size in his insults, but that doesn't mean we have to stoop to "hand" size to criticize him. (Especially when there's already an embarrassment of riches.) I'll never ever understand why women hop on the penis-as-identity bandwagon - either figuratively or literally - but now I have most definitely digressed from the book discussion. Fodder for another thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 15:06:20 GMT
Ah yes, the scandals. There have been some big ones that really got people going. Some of my favorites: When Trump fired Mueller AND Rosenstein! Oh wait. Scratch that. Remember when Trump got TWO scoops of ice cream, WITH SPRINKLES? And who could forget when Melania brought her OWN toilet paper?!? These scandals will forever be remembered! Hmmm..seems really silly doesn't it? Just like flip flops, tan suit, bare arms, and fancy mustard. Actually, exactly like that. The petty b.s. then was as ridiculous as the petty b.s. now. There are enough serious issues going on, do we really need full blown coverage of that? Is that what Americans, and the world, want to know or read? The bits I heard of Anderson Cooper's interviews of Stormy Daniels and the Playboy bunny sounded like an episode of TMZ or Perez Hilton. When Michael Wolff's book came out, he was on show after show, with people glued to their t.v. and turning the pages fast and furious. The man himself said a lot (or most?) of what was written couldn't be verified. Didn't matter though because people were eating that b.s. up, and the media coverage was all over it. So when the gossip hits the airwaves, and news outlets, maybe republicans and conservatives don't feel a need to chime in on it all.
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