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Post by freecharlie on Apr 23, 2018 3:10:07 GMT
I'm sorry if this has been discussed, my search doesn't work well. 16 year olds voting for president nbc news linkIt seems that a councilmember in DC has introduced a bill that would lower the voting age in the district to 16, even for the presidential election. I know what my gut reaction is, but I always enjoy and learn from the peas' points of views. I am initially against it. I do not believe that children, even teenagers, should be able to vote. I believe that one should be at the age of majority in order to vote. I do believe in allowing 17-year-olds to pre-register to make sure they are able to vote as soon as they turn 18. I also wonder why 16 is the magical age. ETA: I post on my phone and there isn't an option for the politics tab if someone wants to mark this (not that you couldn't figure it out from the title)-
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Post by cycworker on Apr 23, 2018 3:11:56 GMT
I think the argument is if you're old enough to drive, you're old enough to vote.
I am unsure how I feel about it. I know some 16 year olds who would take it seriously & vote properly, but I know just as many who wouldn't.
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Post by mom on Apr 23, 2018 3:13:14 GMT
This is the first I have heard about it, but my first impression is no. I am interested in hearing why some agree with it.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 23, 2018 3:19:17 GMT
This is the first I have heard about it, but my first impression is no. I am interested in hearing why some agree with it. The introducer of the bill had this to say "At the age of 16, our society already gives young people greater legal responsibility. They can drive a car. They can work. Some are raising a family or helping their family make ends meet. They pay taxes, and yet, they can't exercise their voice where it matters most — at the ballot box."
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Post by alexa11 on Apr 23, 2018 3:21:45 GMT
Nope-too young IMO.
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 23, 2018 3:23:00 GMT
My gut reaction was "no" but I need to think about this a little more.
The driving age varies too much for me to buy into driving being a litmus test for maturity, but I do buy into the argument that voting early creates live long habits and have seen my young adults very engaged in politics the last couple of years. DS missed voting in 2016 by about 5 weeks and I was disappointed for him.
And comments like this make me roll my eyes.
I'd guess most politically tuned in teens would do better on a civics test than half the adults around them.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 23, 2018 3:25:11 GMT
This is the first I have heard about it, but my first impression is no. I am interested in hearing why some agree with it. The introducer of the bill had this to say "At the age of 16, our society already gives young people greater legal responsibility. They can drive a car. They can work. Some are raising a family or helping their family make ends meet. They pay taxes, and yet, they can't exercise their voice where it matters most — at the ballot box." My initial thought was no, but the bolded make me rethink that. They pay taxes, but aren't able to have a voice in how those taxes are spent.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 23, 2018 3:27:29 GMT
They pay taxes, but aren't able to have a voice in how those taxes are spent. I guess they have taxes pulled out of their checks, but I remember being younger and working pretty close to full time (at a fast food place) and getting most, if not all, of the taxes taken from my checks back when I filed.
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Post by cycworker on Apr 23, 2018 3:27:36 GMT
This is the first I have heard about it, but my first impression is no. I am interested in hearing why some agree with it. The introducer of the bill had this to say "At the age of 16, our society already gives young people greater legal responsibility. They can drive a car. They can work. Some are raising a family or helping their family make ends meet. They pay taxes, and yet, they can't exercise their voice where it matters most — at the ballot box." There is truth to that. The tricky part is it's hard to say how many young people are interested enough to do the research involved in choosing a candidate to support. But by the same token, there are a whole lot of adults who are legally allowed to vote who are also guilty of not researching candidates or paying attention to campaigns. So the question becomes, is that a fair standard? Should we really demand more of the 16/17 year olds than we do of adults? I post this to elaborate on what I meant by 'vote properly.' Admittedly, part of it is a concern they'll just vote for whoever a friend or a close family member tells them to vote for. But even if they don't have someone saying to them, "You have to vote X because this family votes X" there's still the issue of not having the inclination to pay attention to the campaign because it's 'boring.'
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 23, 2018 3:31:20 GMT
Thinking not. Not old enough to drive in New Jersey. Need working papers. I had a tax paying job at 14 many years ago. Cannot enlist at 16. If they institute the draft will parents be happy to send 16 yr olds off to war? Raising families, most often not alone.
Paying taxes? Well then I guess child actors who are earning $$$ at 5 yrs old, even younger, can vote according to those thoughts.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 23, 2018 3:31:23 GMT
They pay taxes, but aren't able to have a voice in how those taxes are spent. I guess they have taxes pulled out of their checks, but I remember being younger and working pretty close to full time (at a fast food place) and getting most, if not all, of the taxes taken from my checks back when I filed. That is true, but so do most people who make very little money, and I don't think that should impact whether they get a say in how the tax money is spent.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Apr 23, 2018 3:31:33 GMT
Don't they say the brain isn't fully developed until 21? Anyway, I don't agree with the voting age being 16. They need to be legal adults.
On the other hand so few people vote anyway, that it might not even be an issue.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 23, 2018 3:32:19 GMT
Thinking not. Not old enough to drive in New Jersey. Need working papers. I had a tax paying job at 14 many years ago. Cannot enlist at 16. If they institute the draft will parents be happy to send 16 yr olds off to war? Raising families, most often not alone. Paying taxes? Well then I guess child actors who are earning $$$ at 5 yrs old, even younger, can vote according to those thoughts. That's a good point.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 23, 2018 4:16:01 GMT
Don't they say the brain isn't fully developed until 21? Anyway, I don't agree with the voting age being 16. They need to be legal adults. On the other hand so few people vote anyway, that it might not even be an issue. This is how I feel too. I do think if kids can join the military at 18 and die for their country they should also be able to vote but I wouldn’t go any lower than that. I also wouldn’t be opposed to raising the age to 21 to join the military or buy a firearm for what that’s worth.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Apr 23, 2018 4:43:35 GMT
Nope. They are legal adults at 18. They can’t be held to a contract until 18, can’t serve in the military until 18, so IMO they shouldn’t vote until 18.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Apr 23, 2018 4:47:16 GMT
No way.
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Post by gillyp on Apr 23, 2018 8:14:06 GMT
The age was lowered to 16 in Scotland for the vote on independence the other year and only for that vote, the rationale being, iirc, that it would directly affect their future. In reality the politicians hoped to be able to take advantage of this large section of the public.
I know a lot of young people and only two, who were studying politics, took it seriously. The others thought it was a joke, couldn’t be bothered or were voting the way their parents told them.
Imho our (Uk) schools need to introduce far more mandatory studies of modern politics, economics and social studies before 16 year olds can be given the vote. You can’t even get a library ticket without parental consent at 16 here!
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Post by gailoh on Apr 23, 2018 9:06:15 GMT
nope
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Post by Really Red on Apr 23, 2018 10:52:01 GMT
Don't they say the brain isn't fully developed until 21? Anyway, I don't agree with the voting age being 16. They need to be legal adults. On the other hand so few people vote anyway, that it might not even be an issue. The brain is not fully developed until around 28 years old. That said, I have a 17yo who will be 18 by the midterms. He's allowed to vote in the primaries. I cannot even start with the research he has done. A minimum of 5-6 hours on our city council candidates. We both went to listen to the 7 of them speak a couple weeks ago. It is a rare day when I am the youngest in the room. Maybe 150-200 people over 75 and us. My son was so engaged and went up to speak with them after. I thought he had made up his mind (we have an incredibly good bunch this year - never seen so many good candidates together!), but there's a debate tonight that he wants us to go to. I wish everyone were like he, but even I am not and I am pretty attuned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:18:39 GMT
My first response is no. At 16, most teenagers are still self absorbed and not really paying much attention to the world around them. Not all, but (IME) most. There are plenty that are 16 but living like they are 26 with responsibilities that their peers don't have.
I get the argument. We give 16 year olds the ability to start entering the adult world at that age. However, I worry that if 16 yr olds are allowed to vote, what's to stop another politician to take that status and say that 16 year olds can serve in the military, buy cigarettes or guns, etc?
I feel like that 18 is a good age to give our kids adult status.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:24:24 GMT
Having sex with someone under 18 is a crime - for a reason. Some are mature and many are not. I think 18 is soon enough to vote, serve in the military and buy alcohol.
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Post by craftymom101 on Apr 23, 2018 13:24:07 GMT
I'm more inclined to raise the driving age to 18 than lower the voting age to 16!
To me, 16 year olds are still young and may not fully grasp the implications of the decisions they are making. Age 18 is the right age, in my opinion, but feel free to disagree!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 23, 2018 14:10:32 GMT
No and frankly believe the age should be 21. I understand the rationale of drafted soldiers dying for a country where they can't vote - I would have much rather they raised the draft age to 21. I think 18 is just too young.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 23, 2018 14:22:03 GMT
I voted no, I think too young.. But there are some 16 year olds that are very political and could very well make an informed decision. I know when I was 16 I wouldn't have been one of those kind of kids.. so all in all I say no. But feel for the ones who are obviously in tune with politics.
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Post by coffeetalk on Apr 23, 2018 15:12:07 GMT
I voted no, but I would be in favor of automatic voter registration. Turn 18, you're registered.
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Post by pierogi on Apr 23, 2018 15:58:59 GMT
I’ll be the odd one out. If a 16 year old can drive a car and work, then they can and should vote. Then again, the 16 year olds in my life are more mature than most grownups I know.
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Post by Nink on Apr 23, 2018 16:22:34 GMT
My vote is no. I’ll also admit that I think 16 is too young to drive a car too. I didn’t let ds even think about driving until he was 18.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 23, 2018 16:36:13 GMT
If it was lowered, it's not like any of them would turn out, anyway.
I voted during a presidential election at 18, and worked the polls as a volunteer. I didn't see a single person under 30 that day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 16:47:21 GMT
I’ll be the odd one out. If a 16 year old can drive a car and work, then they can and should vote. Then again, the 16 year olds in my life are more mature than most grownups I know. Should 16 year olds be allowed to buy guns also? I'm a no way for the voting (or for gun purchases).
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Post by casii on Apr 23, 2018 16:52:30 GMT
No. While many would make a mature and informed decision, I don't feel most would. That may be changing as our political climate continues to change. Maybe the younger generation will be high information and motivated considering what we're living through, but that remains to be seen. We'll get an idea once November rolls around and even more of an idea in the next presidential election.
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