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Post by eleezybeth on Apr 24, 2018 12:23:43 GMT
This is ridiculous. Thanks for calling it out and making us aware.
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 12:46:55 GMT
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 12:56:32 GMT
The comment section is usually trash but if you look now (9am) there is a really great discussion going on under the only comment on the article involving word choice.
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Post by jenjie on Apr 24, 2018 13:08:12 GMT
What the heck! Olan keep sharing these stories. I don’t always comment but I am reading. |
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Post by eleezybeth on Apr 24, 2018 13:53:20 GMT
That second article is equally sexist as racist. I am curious who all the players on the course were? All men (finishing their beer)? All white men? Who called the cops? Interesting that it is the spouse of the co-owner trying to make it right. I do not agree with the comment if they were white woman they wouldn't be treated this way. Sadly, as a white woman, men (of all colors) try to treat you like you are wrong, doing something inappropriate or "in their space."
I unfortunately get the "you're just a spouse" often in the military community so maybe it is just this environment that highlights that this is not only a race issue but a sexist issue as well. For example, the black man telling me I HAD to release my personal information regarding my hospital stay because "as a spouse it is your responsibility to allow your husband's command to call you." I disagreed and asked that the pre-filled out form be shredded and that I would select the option for my privacy. He refused. Refused. Refused. Finally I got the supervisor, another black male, who told me, "Your argument isn't really valid. They will know you are here. Just let them call you." The two men told me that "women need to not make such a big deal out of this. People just want to be nice to you." One felt the need to educate me on the benefits of the military community as if I haven't lived this life for 19 years. When I left their office, I heard the one sigh and say, "Women... geesh." Yeah... I didn't tolerate that well and went to file a complaint.
So... I know race is the highlight here, but I can't help to be equally annoyed at the sexism.
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 14:00:32 GMT
That second article is equally sexist as racist. I am curious who all the players on the course were? All men (finishing their beer)? All white men? Who called the cops? Interesting that it is the spouse of the co-owner trying to make it right. I do not agree with the comment if they were white woman they wouldn't be treated this way. Sadly, as a white woman, men (of all colors) try to treat you like you are wrong, doing something inappropriate or "in their space." I unfortunately get the "you're just a spouse" often in the military community so maybe it is just this environment that highlights that this is not only a race issue but a sexist issue as well. For example, the black man telling me I HAD to release my personal information regarding my hospital stay because "as a spouse it is your responsibility to allow your husband's command to call you." I disagreed and asked that the pre-filled out form be shredded and that I would select the option for my privacy. He refused. Refused. Refused. Finally I got the supervisor, another black male, who told me, "Your argument isn't really valid. They will know you are here. Just let them call you." The two men told me that "women need to not make such a big deal out of this. People just want to be nice to you." One felt the need to educate me on the benefits of the military community as if I haven't lived this life for 19 years. When I left their office, I heard the one sigh and say, "Women... geesh." Yeah... I didn't tolerate that well and went to file a complaint. So... I know race is the highlight here, but I can't help to be equally annoyed at the sexism. Thanks for sharing your experience as a white woman. |
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Post by lemondrop on Apr 24, 2018 14:04:55 GMT
Thanks for sharing, Olan It is crazy that calling the police is the default. |
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 24, 2018 14:52:53 GMT
who the hell calls the police over a golf game?
the older man says - 'this is what she wants, this is what she does for a living'
(ETA -read the second article - the lady filming is an attorney and is the head of the NY NAACP
so the former commissioner knew who she was?)
what the every loving fuck?
looks like snotty nosed over-indulged brats playing golf at daddy's country club
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 24, 2018 14:58:38 GMT
I called the police who are at my job just this morning on a man who I found stealing from our patients and apparently was sleeping in the dining room at night and showering on our hospital unit and hiding his things among the large plants. I work with a highly vulnerable population of veterans and this man, who is African American, is stealing from them and they cannot protect themselves. I am shocked to learn people have seen him and thought he worked here or volunteered.
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 15:03:09 GMT
I called the police who are at my job just this morning on a man who I found stealing from our patients and apparently was sleeping in the dining room at night and showering on our hospital unit and hiding his things among the large plants. I work with a highly vulnerable population of veterans and this man, who is African American, is stealing from them and they cannot protect themselves. I am shocked to learn people have seen him and thought he worked here or volunteered. Do you feel like you senselessly called the police? Did something I said convey that I think calling the police to report an actual crime is a problem? Did the article give you that vibe? The idea is to use caution when calling the police because we've identified how DEADLY police interactions can be for black citizens. All I'm saying is consider what your call could result in. Starbucks should be fresh in our minds. |
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Post by muggins on Apr 24, 2018 15:04:12 GMT
Your company needs better security if someone was able to live at the facility for vulnerable people without being detected.
The fact that he is AA is irrelevant.
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Post by eleezybeth on Apr 24, 2018 15:04:16 GMT
That second article is equally sexist as racist. I am curious who all the players on the course were? All men (finishing their beer)? All white men? Who called the cops? Interesting that it is the spouse of the co-owner trying to make it right. I do not agree with the comment if they were white woman they wouldn't be treated this way. Sadly, as a white woman, men (of all colors) try to treat you like you are wrong, doing something inappropriate or "in their space." I unfortunately get the "you're just a spouse" often in the military community so maybe it is just this environment that highlights that this is not only a race issue but a sexist issue as well. For example, the black man telling me I HAD to release my personal information regarding my hospital stay because "as a spouse it is your responsibility to allow your husband's command to call you." I disagreed and asked that the pre-filled out form be shredded and that I would select the option for my privacy. He refused. Refused. Refused. Finally I got the supervisor, another black male, who told me, "Your argument isn't really valid. They will know you are here. Just let them call you." The two men told me that "women need to not make such a big deal out of this. People just want to be nice to you." One felt the need to educate me on the benefits of the military community as if I haven't lived this life for 19 years. When I left their office, I heard the one sigh and say, "Women... geesh." Yeah... I didn't tolerate that well and went to file a complaint. So... I know race is the highlight here, but I can't help to be equally annoyed at the sexism. Thanks for sharing your experience as a white woman. You are welcome. Now, please, tell me if this level of sexism is common where you live so I may have the experience of a black woman. Please, continue the conversation so we can see similarities and disparities. Yes, I am aware that my privilege makes it easier for me to be able to break out the -isms. I often hear about how horrible our early suffragettes were because they - at their point in history- did not take on both racism and sexism. So I am often curious how we change everything at once vs. seeing each individually and letting them intersect whenever we can. I shared my experience, AS A WHITE WOMAN, to highlight my view that the sexism we see in this country is just as prevalent as the racism. Don't shut that conversation down because it doesn't prove the point you wanted to make only about race. We can have a discussion about it all and hopefully address the intersectionality of all the -isms. |
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Post by peppermintpatty on Apr 24, 2018 15:09:43 GMT
OK, I'm going to go out on a limb. Where in the story does race have anything to do with this issue? Sexism, yes, but I didn't see that this had anything to do with the women being black. I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist, I know it does and I know in plenty of instances it is the reason but I also know that there are plenty of instances where someone does something inappropriate and it does warrant calling the police. Was race an issue? Not necessarily but because the person(s) is black, it automatically becomes a race issue.
I had the same issue with the MeToo movement. Anyone can say anything and in our overly sensitive society, we jump to the simple fact that everyone is guilty without knowing all the facts. Those guys were jerks, yes but we don't really know what was said. There is only one side to this story on the video and there are always 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 24, 2018 15:14:19 GMT
OK, I'm going to go out on a limb. Where in the story does race have anything to do with this issue? Sexism, yes, but I didn't see that this had anything to do with the women being black. I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist, I know it does and I know in plenty of instances it is the reason but I also know that there are plenty of instances where someone does something inappropriate and it does warrant calling the police. Was race an issue? Not necessarily but because the person(s) is black, it automatically becomes a race issue. i'll go out on that limb and say the club probably wouldn't have called the police on a group of same=aged white women gina |
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Post by georgiapea on Apr 24, 2018 15:25:00 GMT
If I am threatened to the point of feeling I need police assistance I don't give a rat's ass what ethnic group they belong to - I'm calling.
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Post by jenjie on Apr 24, 2018 15:32:43 GMT
If I am threatened to the point of feeling I need police assistance I don't give a rat's ass what ethnic group they belong to - I'm calling. If you are threatened. I think Olan’s point is that these women were not a threat to other golfers, nor was that boy who knocked on a door a threat. She and others have referred to it here as “walking while black.” People feel threatened just because a black person is on their property or in the same vicinity. It’s not ok. I’m not saying you feel that way, but I believe that’s why she said what she said. |
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 24, 2018 15:34:42 GMT
I often shake my head here at the things people say they will call the police to deal with.
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 15:49:40 GMT
Thanks for sharing your experience as a white woman. You are welcome. Now, please, tell me if this level of sexism is common where you live so I may have the experience of a black woman. Please, continue the conversation so we can see similarities and disparities. Yes, I am aware that my privilege makes it easier for me to be able to break out the -isms. I often hear about how horrible our early suffragettes were because they - at their point in history- did not take on both racism and sexism. So I am often curious how we change everything at once vs. seeing each individually and letting them intersect whenever we can. I shared my experience, AS A WHITE WOMAN, to highlight my view that the sexism we see in this country is just as prevalent as the racism. Don't shut that conversation down because it doesn't prove the point you wanted to make only about race. We can have a discussion about it all and hopefully address the intersectionality of all the -isms. I didn't shut down dialogue because it didn't prove the point I was trying to make. Thats an assumption you are making. I thanked you for your participation and didn't comment further because I saw your comment for what it was. A white women centering herself in a conversation about race. I don't wish to argue about how anyone else saw your comment or even what your intent may have been. I can appreciate you throwing black men under the bus with hopes that could bring about some intersectionality discussion of the -isms but your method just doesn't inspire dialogue from me. Everyone tells me how best I can reach white women and how I am doing it all wrong so I'm going to ask you to examine why what you said made me realize it's best not to toss my energy* into "dialogue" with you. Sometimes you come across people hell bent on misunderstanding you or undermining your agenda and as a result you have nothing to discuss. The viewership vs the responses on my thread let me know I am being politely ignored so why wasn't it acceptable for me to do the same to you. Especially since its my sincere wish that my threads not turn into a pissing match between another pea and I so much so the agenda of preventing the deaths of innocent black citizens is soon forgotten. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 15:51:39 GMT
If I am threatened to the point of feeling I need police assistance I don't give a rat's ass what ethnic group they belong to - I'm calling. If you are threatened. I think Olan’s point is that these women were not a threat to other golfers, nor was that boy who knocked on a door a threat. She and others have referred to it here as “walking while black.” People feel threatened just because a black person is on their property or in the same vicinity. It’s not ok. I’m not saying you feel that way, but I believe that’s why she said what she said. Thank you. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 15:53:23 GMT
I called the police who are at my job just this morning on a man who I found stealing from our patients and apparently was sleeping in the dining room at night and showering on our hospital unit and hiding his things among the large plants. I work with a highly vulnerable population of veterans and this man, who is African American, is stealing from them and they cannot protect themselves. I am shocked to learn people have seen him and thought he worked here or volunteered. Do you feel like you senselessly called the police? Did something I said convey that I think calling the police to report an actual crime is a problem? Did the article give you that vibe? The idea is to use caution when calling the police because we've identified how DEADLY police interactions can be for black citizens. All I'm saying is consider what your call could result in. Starbucks should be fresh in our minds. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 15:54:20 GMT
OK, I'm going to go out on a limb. Where in the story does race have anything to do with this issue? Sexism, yes, but I didn't see that this had anything to do with the women being black. I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist, I know it does and I know in plenty of instances it is the reason but I also know that there are plenty of instances where someone does something inappropriate and it does warrant calling the police. Was race an issue? Not necessarily but because the person(s) is black, it automatically becomes a race issue. I had the same issue with the MeToo movement. Anyone can say anything and in our overly sensitive society, we jump to the simple fact that everyone is guilty without knowing all the facts. Those guys were jerks, yes but we don't really know what was said. There is only one side to this story on the video and there are always 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. Anyone can say anything. |
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 24, 2018 16:15:11 GMT
Do you feel like you senselessly called the police? Did something I said convey that I think calling the police to report an actual crime is a problem? Did the article give you that vibe? Your article was timely because I read it after that happened and I worry how I am part of the problem. I often second guess myself and ask if I had made a different choice would the outcome be better?. So your questions are good ones. I don't know the answer. |
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 24, 2018 16:18:26 GMT
Your company needs better security if someone was able to live at the facility for vulnerable people without being detected. The fact that he is AA is irrelevant. The number of people who knew he was here and never questioned anything is an appalling level of apathy. |
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Post by peasapie on Apr 24, 2018 16:20:25 GMT
That second article is equally sexist as racist. I am curious who all the players on the course were? All men (finishing their beer)? All white men? Who called the cops? Interesting that it is the spouse of the co-owner trying to make it right. I do not agree with the comment if they were white woman they wouldn't be treated this way. Sadly, as a white woman, men (of all colors) try to treat you like you are wrong, doing something inappropriate or "in their space." I unfortunately get the "you're just a spouse" often in the military community so maybe it is just this environment that highlights that this is not only a race issue but a sexist issue as well. For example, the black man telling me I HAD to release my personal information regarding my hospital stay because "as a spouse it is your responsibility to allow your husband's command to call you." I disagreed and asked that the pre-filled out form be shredded and that I would select the option for my privacy. He refused. Refused. Refused. Finally I got the supervisor, another black male, who told me, "Your argument isn't really valid. They will know you are here. Just let them call you." The two men told me that "women need to not make such a big deal out of this. People just want to be nice to you." One felt the need to educate me on the benefits of the military community as if I haven't lived this life for 19 years. When I left their office, I heard the one sigh and say, "Women... geesh." Yeah... I didn't tolerate that well and went to file a complaint. So... I know race is the highlight here, but I can't help to be equally annoyed at the sexism. Oh no - this goes on all over, not just military. I hate when they marginalize us as females, and it happens to often. By the way, I'm already seeing the racist bs on FB about the two black men falsely arrested at Starbucks: "Why the hubbub when black loiterers are arrested but not when white policemen are shot?" I just had a huge altercation with a close family relative over that stupidity. I may end up with no genetic relatives by the end of my life (other than my kids) but at least I will know I stood up for what is right. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 24, 2018 16:22:06 GMT
Do you feel like you senselessly called the police? Did something I said convey that I think calling the police to report an actual crime is a problem? Did the article give you that vibe? Your article was timely because I read it after that happened and I worry how I am part of the problem. I often second guess myself and ask if I had made a different choice would the outcome be better?. So your questions are good ones. I don't know the answer. Those guys didn't witness a crime. If you answered no to the question do you feel like you senselessly called the police I don't understand why the article would cause you to second guess your decision to report a crime. |
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Post by peasapie on Apr 24, 2018 16:26:00 GMT
OK, I'm going to go out on a limb. Where in the story does race have anything to do with this issue? Sexism, yes, but I didn't see that this had anything to do with the women being black. I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist, I know it does and I know in plenty of instances it is the reason but I also know that there are plenty of instances where someone does something inappropriate and it does warrant calling the police. Was race an issue? Not necessarily but because the person(s) is black, it automatically becomes a race issue. i'll go out on that limb and say the club probably wouldn't have called the police on a group of same=aged white women gina Agreed. In the past I might have thought otherwise, but lately I'm seeing way too much blatant racism to have reasonable doubt in this case. |
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Post by eleezybeth on Apr 24, 2018 16:41:49 GMT
You are welcome. Now, please, tell me if this level of sexism is common where you live so I may have the experience of a black woman. Please, continue the conversation so we can see similarities and disparities. Yes, I am aware that my privilege makes it easier for me to be able to break out the -isms. I often hear about how horrible our early suffragettes were because they - at their point in history- did not take on both racism and sexism. So I am often curious how we change everything at once vs. seeing each individually and letting them intersect whenever we can. I shared my experience, AS A WHITE WOMAN, to highlight my view that the sexism we see in this country is just as prevalent as the racism. Don't shut that conversation down because it doesn't prove the point you wanted to make only about race. We can have a discussion about it all and hopefully address the intersectionality of all the -isms. I didn't shut down dialogue because it didn't prove the point I was trying to make. Thats an assumption you are making. I thanked you for your participation and didn't comment further because I saw your comment for what it was. A white women centering herself in a conversation about race. I don't wish to argue about how anyone else saw your comment or even what your intent may have been. I can appreciate you throwing black men under the bus with hopes that could bring about some intersectionality discussion of the -isms but your method just doesn't inspire dialogue from me. Everyone tells me how best I can reach white women and how I am doing it all wrong so I'm going to ask you to examine why what you said made me realize it's best not to toss my energy* into "dialogue" with you. Sometimes you come across people hell bent on misunderstanding you or undermining your agenda and as a result you have nothing to discuss. The viewership vs the responses on my thread let me know I am being politely ignored so why wasn't it acceptable for me to do the same to you. Especially since its my sincere wish that my threads not turn into a pissing match between another pea and I so much so the agenda of preventing the deaths of innocent black citizens is soon forgotten. I see. Thank you for explaining. Please continue to post your links. I hope people will read and learn. |
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 24, 2018 21:01:21 GMT
I don't understand why the article would cause you to second guess your decision to report a crime. The article just made me think about what I do. I read an article this afternoon about a woman in Waffle House who was being charged for plastic utensils and ended up being thrown on the floor by police being arrested. Now I want to boycott Waffle House. I really would like to be part of the solution not part of the problem. It's just that before this thread that I had just made a decision to call the police so it seemed timely to give me food for thought. |
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Post by mrssmith on Apr 25, 2018 15:21:27 GMT
That second article is equally sexist as racist. I am curious who all the players on the course were? All men (finishing their beer)? All white men? Who called the cops? Interesting that it is the spouse of the co-owner trying to make it right. I do not agree with the comment if they were white woman they wouldn't be treated this way. Sadly, as a white woman, men (of all colors) try to treat you like you are wrong, doing something inappropriate or "in their space." So... I know race is the highlight here, but I can't help to be equally annoyed at the sexism. Yes - interesting that it was the female co-owner who called. I think that was by design. I agree about the sexism. I am willing to bet they would not have called the police on white women, but they still would have been jerks to them. Agree that the sexism is rampant but things are amplified when they intersect with other issues such as race, economic status, etc... |
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