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Post by PLurker on May 19, 2018 1:20:53 GMT
whether or whether not trump was referring to immigrants or more specifically MS-13 is up for debate.
What I don't understand is how repeatedly he has to be back-splained over and over again. A lot of "what he meant was" explanations. But the initial whatever-the-hell he spouts today is often interpreted (wrong or right) by many people. Taken as hateful rhetoric by those for (dog whistles) and against. Even if (and that's a big if) he was truly not meaning to say potentially harmful things and he is just a bad speaker, the fact remains, he is doing harm and spreading hate.
dear POTUS: Learn to speak better, get off the twitter or whatever it takes to not have to be re-explained over and over again. It's your job. Shhh, until you think it through. Say what you mean and mean what you say the first time.
or continue on as this "normal". Either way you are showing us who you are. Careless, at best.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2018 1:28:06 GMT
whether or whether not trump was referring to immigrants or more specifically MS-13 is up for debate. What I don't understand is how repeatedly he has to be back-splained over and over again. A lot of "what he meant was" explanations. But the initial whatever-the-hell he spouts today is often interpreted (wrong or right) by many people. Taken as hateful rhetoric by those for (dog whistles) and against. Even if (and that's a big if) he was truly not meaning to say potentially harmful things and he is just a bad speaker, the fact remains, he is doing harm and spreading hate. dear POTUS: Learn to speak better, get off the twitter or whatever it takes to not have to be re-explained over and over again. It's your job. Shhh, until you think it through. Say what you mean and mean what you say the first time. or continue on as this "normal". Either way you are showing us who you are. Careless, at best. Not to forget that he often recents and/or denies what he has actually said and screams that it was just “fake news” created by the witch hunters...
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2018 1:34:44 GMT
The fact still remains that trump only brings up the ms-13 gangs when it is to politicize.
Because otherwise, he doesn’t have them on any other radar and his administration is not doing much of anything to go after them. They’ve spent more time and efforts arresting 45,000+ immigrants with no criminal history.
And why is that? Because it’s easy, they’re not hiding —-so that he can claim the “highest numbers of deportation in the history of all of the Earth”—-they are the ones in the system who are trying and have been trying to do the right thing, they are the established business owners contributing to society, they are students, children, and other workers.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2018 1:39:04 GMT
You know what’s ironic about trump and his boners for ms13?
Ms-13 was created right here in the USA (los Angeles).
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2018 1:52:34 GMT
Killings by Ms-13 gang in the US 2012-2018
506 people killed (many were other gang members)
Killings by mass shootings in the US 2012-18
1,941 people killed, 7,104 wounded
(There have been over 1,600 mass shootings in the USA during that same time period)
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 1:57:25 GMT
Barrio Azteca Latin Kings Latin Syndicate Los Mexicales Sieto Viejo Spanish Gangster Disciples
Just a small sampling of other Hispanic gangs in this country. Why isn't Trump bringing them, and all other Hispanic gangs, into the spotlight? Maybe because none of them are on the same level as MS-13.
MS-13 kills for fun.
MS-13 performs satanic rituals.
MS-13 decapitates for sport.
Wanna know more what those poor "human beings" do? A little bit of research would do a lot of people good.
I won't shed a single f'in tear each and every time Trump, or anyone else, refers to them as animals because that's exactly what they are. Y'all can stand right next to Nancy Pelosi and her B.S. sympathy speech if you choose. I'll sleep just fine with my feelings towards them.
linkFrom PolitiFact.... Immigrants less prone to crime, despite claims from Trump administrationOverall, several studies have found that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than U.S.-born individuals. Central American immigrant youth — both children and adults — are not only vulnerable to MS-13 threats, extortion, recruitment, but also are almost always their primary targets and victims, said Ahmed, from the University of the District of Columbia's David A. Clarke School of Law."DHS, Sessions, and Trump are trying to shift the focus of immigration enforcement to MS-13 in order to repeatedly drill in the message that immigrants are dangerous criminals," Ahmed said. But many gang members were born in the United States, and gangs form in conditions of marginality, which also exist in other countries, said Wolf, the researcher with CIDE in Mexico.
" There is no doubt that MS-13 has engaged in serious and heinous forms of violence, devastating families and communities. But the emphasis on immigrants as the source of the gang problem in the United States is misguided," said David C. Pyrooz, an assistant professor of sociology at the University of Colorado Boulder, whose research includes gangs and criminal networks.While evidence suggests that immigrants are less likely to be in gangs than native-born youth, Pyrooz said, MS-13 is "the perfect boogeyman, owing to their ethnicity, transnationality, and extreme violence."
" The problem is that the constant callouts from the highest office in the land are giving MS-13 the notoriety that they could never achieve on their own accord," he said.”
This Fact check was checking trump’s statements in the SOTU speech. What trump is saying is the MS-13 gangs are filled with members who come in this country through a loophole in our immigration laws or as unaccompanied kids. It rates a half true. Based on the information in the above excerpt, it seems it would better serve the country to actively target all gangs with the same gusto trump is targeting the MS-13 gangs. Especially since its estimated there are 10,000 MS-13 gang members out of about an estimated number of 750,000+ members in general. There are roughly 24,500 different gangs in this country. Maybe trump’s focus should be on all 24,500 gangs and it’s 750,000+ members instead of just the MS-13 gangs.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2018 2:41:53 GMT
Barrio Azteca Latin Kings Latin Syndicate Los Mexicales Sieto Viejo Spanish Gangster Disciples
Just a small sampling of other Hispanic gangs in this country. Why isn't Trump bringing them, and all other Hispanic gangs, into the spotlight? Maybe because none of them are on the same level as MS-13.
MS-13 kills for fun.
MS-13 performs satanic rituals.
MS-13 decapitates for sport.
Wanna know more what those poor "human beings" do? A little bit of research would do a lot of people good.
I won't shed a single f'in tear each and every time Trump, or anyone else, refers to them as animals because that's exactly what they are. Y'all can stand right next to Nancy Pelosi and her B.S. sympathy speech if you choose. I'll sleep just fine with my feelings towards them.
linkFrom PolitiFact.... Immigrants less prone to crime, despite claims from Trump administrationOverall, several studies have found that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than U.S.-born individuals. Central American immigrant youth — both children and adults — are not only vulnerable to MS-13 threats, extortion, recruitment, but also are almost always their primary targets and victims, said Ahmed, from the University of the District of Columbia's David A. Clarke School of Law."DHS, Sessions, and Trump are trying to shift the focus of immigration enforcement to MS-13 in order to repeatedly drill in the message that immigrants are dangerous criminals," Ahmed said. But many gang members were born in the United States, and gangs form in conditions of marginality, which also exist in other countries, said Wolf, the researcher with CIDE in Mexico.
" There is no doubt that MS-13 has engaged in serious and heinous forms of violence, devastating families and communities. But the emphasis on immigrants as the source of the gang problem in the United States is misguided," said David C. Pyrooz, an assistant professor of sociology at the University of Colorado Boulder, whose research includes gangs and criminal networks.While evidence suggests that immigrants are less likely to be in gangs than native-born youth, Pyrooz said, MS-13 is "the perfect boogeyman, owing to their ethnicity, transnationality, and extreme violence."
" The problem is that the constant callouts from the highest office in the land are giving MS-13 the notoriety that they could never achieve on their own accord," he said.”
This Fact check was checking trump’s statements in the SOTU speech. What trump is saying is the MS-13 gangs are filled with members who come in this country through a loophole in our immigration laws or as unaccompanied kids. It rates a half true. Based on the information in the above excerpt, it seems it would better serve the country to actively target all gangs with the same gusto trump is targeting the MS-13 gangs. Especially since its estimated there are 10,000 MS-13 gang members out of about an estimated number of 750,000+ members in general. There are roughly 24,500 different gangs in this country. Maybe trump’s focus should be on all 24,500 gangs and it’s 750,000+ members instead of just the MS-13 gangs. Just goes to show that his alternate facts (lies) are working—he has people believing him. They’d rather believe him, a well known and documented liar, that the actual facts and statistics and people living, working, policing, in the affected areas.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 18:36:17 GMT
linkAnd it just keeps coming. From The NY Times... “ Trump Jr. and Other Aides Met With Gulf Emissary Offering Help to Win Election”
From the article... “WASHINGTON — Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son. One was an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the Middle East as a private security contractor. The meeting was convened primarily to offer help to the Trump team, and it forged relationships between the men and Trump insiders that would develop over the coming months — past the election and well into President Trump’s first year in office, according to several people with knowledge of their encounters. Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the crown princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company’s ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump.“ “The company, which employed several Israeli former intelligence officers, specialized in collecting information and shaping opinion through social media.” It is unclear whether such a proposal was executed, and the details of who commissioned it remain in dispute. But Donald Trump Jr. responded approvingly, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting, and after those initial offers of help, Mr. Nader was quickly embraced as a close ally by Trump campaign advisers — meeting frequently with Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, and Michael T. Flynn, who became the president’s first national security adviser. At the time, Mr. Nader was also promoting a secret plan to use private contractors to destabilize Iran, the regional nemesis of Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.” After Mr. Trump was elected, Mr. Nader paid Mr. Zamel a large sum of money, described by one associate as up to $2 million. There are conflicting accounts of the reason for the payment, but among other things, a company linked to Mr. Zamel provided Mr. Nader with an elaborate presentation about the significance of social media campaigning to Mr. Trump’s victory. The meetings, which have not been reported previously, are the first indication that countries other than Russia may have offered assistance to the Trump campaign in the months before the presidential election. The interactions are a focus of the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, who was originally tasked with examining possible Trump campaign coordination with Russia in the election. Mr. Nader is cooperating with the inquiry, and investigators have questioned numerous witnesses in Washington, New York, Atlanta, Tel Aviv and elsewhere about what foreign help may have been pledged or accepted, and about whether any such assistance was coordinated with Russia, according to witnesses and others with knowledge of the interviews.”
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 18:37:57 GMT
The Hill...
“Porn industry group trolls Trump with letter explaining difference between HIV and HPV hill.cm/fSLzBFU”
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 19:17:17 GMT
A little more from the latest don jr meeting.
Natasha Bertrand....
“Two people familiar with the meetings said that Trump campaign officials did not appear bothered by the idea of cooperation with foreigners.”
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 20:53:40 GMT
David Frum...
“ICYMI : North Korea demanded that US cancel pre-scheduled training exercises or else no summit. Trump complied.”
From what I understand these training exercises are a yearly event. If true I wonder how much more trump will give up for “the win”.
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Post by carhoch on May 19, 2018 21:01:22 GMT
David Frum... “ICYMI : North Korea demanded that US cancel pre-scheduled training exercises or else no summit. Trump complied.” From what I understand these training exercises are a yearly event. If true I wonder how much more trump will give up for “the win”. He want that Nobel price pretty bad and will do anything to get it 🤢
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Post by Merge on May 19, 2018 21:33:04 GMT
Just agreeing to meet with Kim was a major concession from a US president. Now he’s bowing to their demands to alter our training schedule. You can just imagine the howls of outrage from the right if Obama had done these things.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 22:30:58 GMT
LawfareTo put in prospective what trump/Nunes are doing. trump this afternoon. “If the FBI or DOJ was infiltrating a campaign for the benefit of another campaign, that is a really big deal. Only the release or review of documents that the House Intelligence Committee (also, Senate Judiciary) is asking for can give the conclusive answers. Drain the Swamp!” Read this from Lawfare... “ The Day that We Can't Protect Human Sources': The President and the House Intelligence Committee Burn an Informant”. It wasn’t that long ago that both the executive branch and the legislature in this country considered the protection of intelligence sources a matter of surpassing national importance. During the 1970s, a renegade former CIA officer named Philip Agee went on a campaign of outing agency sources and covert operatives. Agee spent decades in exile, and an appalled Congress responded in 1982 by passing the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which criminalized the knowing and intentional outing of U.S. covert operatives and intelligence sources whom the government is taking active steps to protect.More recently, a lot of people, including one of the current authors, objected strenuously to the activities of Edward Snowden. Snowden didn’t disclose the names of human sources—just programmatic intelligence information. Yet he has been camped out in Moscow since the leak, unable to return to the United States for fear of the prosecution that would surely await him. Similarly, Julian Assange does not leave the Ecuadorian embassy in London for fear of arrest over his own activities. While both men have their supporters, we have never considered their jeopardy an injustice. But what happens when the intentional outing of U.S. intelligence assets is the province not of rogue insiders, not of foreign hackers or foreign agents, not of people who end up spending the rest of their lives as fugitives, but of senior officials in two branches of this country’s government who are most responsible for protecting those assets? To wit, what happens when the Chairman of the House intelligence committee and the President of the United States team up to out an FBI informant over the strenuous objection of the bureau and the Department of Justice—and manage to get the job done? And what happens when they do so for frankly political reasons: to protect the president from a properly predicated counterintelligence investigation involving the activity of an adversary foreign power? These questions should be the stuff of conspiratorial Hollywood movies. They are, in fact, the stuff of this week’s news. On Friday evening, both the New York Times and the Washington Post reported that an American professor in the United Kingdom had acted as a source for the FBI during the early stages of the bureau’s investigation of L’Affaire Russe. The professor, whom both outlets reported had provided information to both the FBI and CIA, met with George Papadopoulos, Carter Page and Sam Clovis, had also had interacted in the past with Michael Flynn. His reported contacts with the campaign began shortly before the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation on the basis of Papadopoulos’s comments to an Australian diplomat, when he interacted with Page following the campaign advisor’s visit to Moscow in July 2016. The source reportedly continued to talk to Page, Papadopoulos and Clovis through the late summer and fall of that year. Neither the Post nor the Times named the source. But NBC pointed to a story in the Daily Caller that had named a professor who broadly fit the profile described by the Times and Post: NBC News has not confirmed the use of informants in the Russian interference investigation, which began in July 2016. A right-wing web site, the Daily Caller, first reported that both Page and Papadopoulos met during the campaign with an American professor at Cambridge University in England.
No evidence has surfaced publicly indicating that [the professor] was acting as a government informant,” NBC went on, “ ut the Daily Caller noted that right-wing media personalities have speculated about his role in recent days.”
The Daily Caller certainly seems to believe it has identified the source, and it all but alleged back in March that he was an FBI informant. The outlet itself noted the relationship between its subject and the informant reported by the Times and the Post on Friday—and the Daily Caller reporter who wrote the original story spent much of the evening protesting that the Times and Post had not credited his reporting.
We cannot report the source’s identity, having no sources of our own on the subject. If we did have such sources, we would not report the informant’s identity anyway. Lawfare does not publish leaks of classified programs. We don’t blow intelligence or law enforcement sources either, even when their identities are not classified. So we have no information to provide about any source the FBI may or may not have used here. We are working entirely off the public record. In addition, we are making a point in this post of not naming the individual whom the Daily Caller has publicly identified. As long as the Post and the Times continue to shield his identity, so will Lawfare.
If, however, we assume for a moment that the Daily Caller has the identity of the informant correct, then it’s hard to escape the conclusion that his outing has taken place at the joint hands of the House intelligence chairman and his staff, certain actors in the conservative press, and the president of the United States.
While a full understanding of how this outing took place would require a significant investigation, the public record alone tells a remarkable story—and not a pretty one. Here’s our effort at a reconstruction of how this outing happened.”
The article is too long to post here but the rest of the article is worth acred.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 22:38:52 GMT
MSNBC..
“NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss compares President Trump's reported use of the Postal Service to attack the owner of the Washington Post to Nixon's effort to use the IRS against his personal enemies. on.msnbc.com/2LdMSEo”
I watched this on Rachel Maddow yesterday. Nixon had an “enemies list” that he wanted to sic the IRS on. The head of the IRS received the list and locked in his safe and ignored it until John Dean, during testimony, admitted there was one. The IRS Head then took the list out of his safe and handed it over to the FBI.
The IRS guy was appointed by Nixon.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 22:42:58 GMT
Bill Kristol...
“If the purpose of investigating the Trump campaign had been to help Clinton, any dubious foreign connections that might have damaged Trump would have been leaked in October. They weren't. If anything, the Obama DOJ and FBI bent over backward not to hurt Trump or help Clinton.”
Has a point.
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Post by imsirius on May 19, 2018 23:42:51 GMT
Lots of Trump ire today...hopefully the end is near so much to choose from...
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 4:18:20 GMT
whether or whether not trump was referring to immigrants or more specifically MS-13 is up for debate.
What I don't understand is how repeatedly he has to be back-splained over and over again. A lot of "what he meant was" explanations. But the initial whatever-the-hell he spouts today is often interpreted (wrong or right) by many people. Taken as hateful rhetoric by those for (dog whistles) and against. Even if (and that's a big if) he was truly not meaning to say potentially harmful things and he is just a bad speaker, the fact remains, he is doing harm and spreading hate. dear POTUS: Learn to speak better, get off the twitter or whatever it takes to not have to be re-explained over and over again. It's your job. Shhh, until you think it through. Say what you mean and mean what you say the first time. or continue on as this "normal". Either way you are showing us who you are. Careless, at best. No. It really isn't. THE PRESIDENT: Okay, Margaret? SHERIFF MIMS: Thank you, Mr. President. You know, sheriffs in California are now in an untenable position when it comes to trying to figure out — now, we have state law, we have federal laws, and here we are stuck in the middle. Sheriffs, especially, because most of us run our county jails. When there became a legal challenge to the 48-hour holds for ICE, it was very frustrating for us. So what I did is I invited ICE to put their officers in my jails so they're able to do their work. We didn’t have the staffing to be able to help figure out who they wanted to talk to or didn’t. I said, come on in, work with our people to keep our community safe. Two weeks later, Mr. President, Kate Steinle was murdered. Now, I wasn’t the only sheriff to do that. Sheriff Youngblood did, Sheriff Christianson. And it was perfect — because we didn’t have to take our time, with our staff, to do anything. ICE was in there doing their work in a safe, controlled, environment. And then, the initiatives started happening — the TRUST Act, the TRUTH Act, and finally, SB 54, the Values Act. And that is causing us all kinds of turmoil. So here we are, stuck in the middle, trying to decide. We have federal law, we have state law. And that's why I welcomed Attorney General Sessions's lawsuit, because that will provide us the clarity that we need and direction that we need. What do we do? Because here we are. And I appreciated Mr. Homan and ICE. We had a great relationship; we still do. But now ICE is the only law enforcement agency that cannot use our databases to find the bad guys. They cannot come in and talk to people in our jail, unless they reach a certain threshold. They can't do all kinds of things that other law enforcement agencies can do. And it's really put us in a very bad position. THE PRESIDENT: It's a disgrace. Okay? It's a disgrace. SHERIFF MIMS: It's a disgrace. THE PRESIDENT: And we're suing on that, and we're working hard, and I think it will all come together, because people want it to come together. It's so ridiculous. The concept that we're even talking about is ridiculous. We'll take care of it, Margaret. We'll win. SHERIFF MIMS: Thank you. There could be an MS-13 member I know about — if they don’t reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about it.
THE PRESIDENT: We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we're stopping a lot of them — but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we're taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that's never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It's crazy. The dumbest laws — as I said before, the dumbest laws on immigration in the world. So we're going to take care of it, Margaret. We'll get it done. We're going to ask that man right there, because that man can do it. (Laughter.) Right now he's the most important man in the room. Kevin can do it. Kevin? Please. Because of bullshit like this. Insisting he was talking about ALL immigrants when it's undeniable he was speaking about MS-13. That he was speaking directly to Margaret Simms' comment on MS-13. Don't repeatedly do this kind of bullshit and it won't repeatedly need to be "back-splained" over and over again.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 4:45:01 GMT
Another outstanding thread from Ale.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 14:59:20 GMT
Read this string of trump’s tweet and you just see how paranoid he is in this Sunday morning rant. Again not something you want to see in the man who ispeaks for the United States....
“Things are really getting ridiculous. The Failing and Crooked (but not as Crooked as Hillary Clinton) @nytimes has done a long & boring story indicating that the World’s most expensive Witch Hunt has found nothing on Russia & me so now they are looking at the rest of the World!”
“....At what point does this soon to be $20,000,000 Witch Hunt, composed of 13 Angry and Heavily Conflicted Democrats and two people who have worked for Obama for 8 years, STOP! They have found no Collussion with Russia, No Obstruction, but they aren’t looking at the corruption...”
“...in the Hillary Clinton Campaign where she deleted 33,000 Emails, got $145,000,000 while Secretary of State, paid McCabes wife $700,000 (and got off the FBI hook along with Terry M) and so much more. Republicans and real Americans should start getting tough on this Scam.”
“Now that the Witch Hunt has given up on Russia and is looking at the rest of the World, they should easily be able to take it into the Mid-Term Elections where they can put some hurt on the Republican Party. Don’t worry about Dems FISA Abuse, missing Emails or Fraudulent Dossier!”
“What ever happened to the Server, at the center of so much Corruption, that the Democratic National Committee REFUSED to hand over to the hard charging (except in the case of Democrats) FBI? They broke into homes & offices early in the morning, but were afraid to take the Server?”
“....and why hasn’t the Podesta brother been charged and arrested, like others, after being forced to close down his very large and successful firm? Is it because he is a VERY well connected Democrat working in the Swamp of Washington, D
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 15:26:19 GMT
I don’t know who these two are but I like their response to trump's Sunday morning rant...
Jason....
“Man, even for Trump today’s meltdown has been impressive”
Rex Huppke....
“I think his best is yet to come.”
Jason....
“A great artist is always growing”
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Post by imsirius on May 20, 2018 15:31:06 GMT
I laughed at this...😂😂😂
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 20, 2018 15:41:26 GMT
PLurkerYou don’t have to be gaslighted by the “Kellyanne Conway’s” here, where their sets of opinions are hammered home to try to make you feel wrong for taking what the dumbass president said. The comments he made on that day regarding immigrants were NOT “undeniably clear”—-if his comments had been clear, there would not have been questions raised about them. It wasn’t until the next day that his comments were “mansplained” (as usual with him). Trump is known for that exact rhetoric—he excels at being inflammatory, provocative, and blurry in his talks. He does so, so that he can gauge the outrage (or not)—gauge the reactions so that he and his team can backtrack, re-explain, and control the narrative. He’s done this purposefully time and time again just so he’s able to bash certain media, groups of people, political parties, and specific businesses. Only a fool wouldn’t put this instance of speech patterns along with all the rest. He lies. ALL THE TIME. So it’s not a stretch for anyone to hear/read the words he’s stating and ask questions about what he really meant. (Because it will either be recanted the next day, or spun by his press team). Of course his supporters are going to cry Bullshit all the time, gaslight you, make you think you’re the one who doesn’t understand. I can accept the fact that his team—THE NEXT DAY—got their panties in a wad at anyone thinking he meant anything other than MS-13, HOWEVER when you read the transcript and take what he actually stated about the immigrants (his supposed facts), and do a little research, you’ll find his lies. If he was stopping loads of MS-13 at the borders, it would be front page news. He/ICE has arrested over 45,000+ NONCRIMINAL immigrants. (But never touts the stats of those gangs). He has repeatedly stated that (Mexican) immigrants are not the best, they don’t send the best. (Just like in his comments last week). So yes, he WAS generalizing immigrants which may have included the MS-13 gang members. did you know that MS-13 did not start in Mexico/South America, they originated in Los Angeles?! And did you know that they target immigrants and other gang members? So..keep asking, keep questioning, and don’t let the Kellyanne’s here deter your thoughts!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 15:52:27 GMT
Newsweek....
“Roger Stone says President Trump might prefer to "head for the golf course" than run for re-election in 2020 bit.ly/2KBG9D1”
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Post by 950nancy on May 20, 2018 16:12:47 GMT
I was in Mexico this week and one of the people at the airport had on t-shirt that read, "Relax, guys. You are on the fun side of the wall." Made us chuckle.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 20, 2018 16:36:10 GMT
Newsweek.... “Roger Stone says President Trump might prefer to "head for the golf course" than run for re-election in 2020 bit.ly/2KBG9D1” 😀 Dear Roger is one crazy ass badger!! 😆😂😆😂😆
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Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 28, 2014 14:32:59 GMT
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Post by suzastampin on May 20, 2018 16:36:26 GMT
Lest we forget, Trump did say the election was rigged. Little did we know!
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Deleted
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Oct 7, 2024 2:19:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 16:38:58 GMT
Axios...
“Incoming NRA President Oliver North discussing the cause of school shootings: "If you look at what has happened to young people, many of these young boys have been on Ritalin since they were in kindergarten."”
Well ok, that explains it. Idiot.
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