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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 18, 2018 15:20:33 GMT
<sigh> why do I bother? Somebody smack me next time I try to get across the idea of sarcasm and saying things for effect rather than taking the words solely at face value....
And @zingermack , I love that cartoon of Obama, Trump, and Biden!!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 15:38:58 GMT
These facts: "A search of “MS-13” on CNN’s website reveals dozens of articles that mention the gang. The gang has been mentioned in an assortment of New York Times headlines in recent memory, such as a June 2017 article titled, “39 members of MS-13 are arrested, authorities say,” and a July 2017 article headlined, “Trump will visit Long Island in the wake of MS-13 gang arrests.” If the Times is too high-brow for the MSNBC star, USA Today has also covered the gang extensively. A video on the site from Nov. 2017 is headlined, “MS-13 gang member arrested in Maryland murder.” USA Today even covered the gang back in 2012 when the Obama-era feds decided to label MS-13 a criminal group. “MS-13 is an example of some of the worst of criminal gang behavior,” Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., told Matthews on the very same show on which Reid appeared. News organizations, including the Washington Post, HuffPost, The New Yorker, The Hill, New York Post, PBS, New York Daily News, Los Angeles Times, Daily Mail, Time and Slate have all covered the dangerous gang." link
So, no Joy Reid is NOT right when she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong and by making that statement, and despite Merge's claim that "it never happened", the facts show otherwise. Someone from MSNBC did in fact make MS-13 out to be no big deal - nothing more than a figment of "Fox watcher's" making. There is a gang problem in this country. The majority of the people in this country know that. If you ask the names of the various gangs the majority of Americans couldn’t tell you. If someone was to wave a magic wand and all MS-13 gang members were to disappear tomorrow there would still be a gang problem in this country. I expect law enforcement officials to know the different names of gangs and what they are capable of because that is part of their job. Kamala Harris was a San Francisco DA and a California AG before becoming a Senator. I expect her to know about the different gangs. trump has elevated the MS-13 gangs to push his agenda. What Joy Reid was talking about this in her tweets was trump's SOTU address. In which he singled out MS-13 with a heart wrenching example and had the grieving parents as his guests. This is from his speech... “ Here tonight are two fathers and two mothers: Evelyn Rodriguez, Freddy Cuevas, Elizabeth Alvarado, and Robert Mickens. Their two teenage daughters — Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens — were close friends on Long Island. But in September 2016, on the eve of Nisa’s 16th Birthday, neither of them came home. These two precious girls were brutally murdered while walking together in their hometown. Six members of the savage gang MS-13 have been charged with Kayla and Nisa’s murders. Many of these gang members took advantage of glaring loopholes in our laws to enter the country as unaccompanied alien minors ‑- and wound up in Kayla and Nisa’s high school.
Evelyn, Elizabeth, Freddy, and Robert: Tonight, everyone in this chamber is praying for you. Everyone in America is grieving for you. And 320 million hearts are breaking for you. We cannot imagine the depth of your sorrow, but we can make sure that other families never have to endure this pain.”Now is this anymore tragic than a mother killed by a drive by shooting, shielding her three children in her own front yard? Or a 15 year old boy killed while sitting on his front porch with some friends and shielding them with his body from shots fired by a drive by shooting. Or the teenage girl walking to the local mall with some friends and is killed by stray bullet. All were gang related and not by MS-13 gangs. These were killed by black gangs. All gangs are dangerous. So why isn’t trump pushing for crackdowns on all gangs. Why just the MS-13 gangs? Maybe it’s because he is intent on pushing his political agenda which doesn't include all gangs but only the one that has undocumented guys. By the way, I took Joy Reid’s comment to mean that before trump started yammering about MS-13 not many had heard about that gang by name. All your examples, with the exception of one, are after trump started talking about them. In other words trump put them in the news elevating them over other gangs. A real disservice to the American people because I think that much attention by a sitting president should include the gang problem in general. Not one gang in particular so he can get his wall.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 15:42:02 GMT
These facts: "A search of “MS-13” on CNN’s website reveals dozens of articles that mention the gang. The gang has been mentioned in an assortment of New York Times headlines in recent memory, such as a June 2017 article titled, “39 members of MS-13 are arrested, authorities say,” and a July 2017 article headlined, “Trump will visit Long Island in the wake of MS-13 gang arrests.” If the Times is too high-brow for the MSNBC star, USA Today has also covered the gang extensively. A video on the site from Nov. 2017 is headlined, “MS-13 gang member arrested in Maryland murder.” USA Today even covered the gang back in 2012 when the Obama-era feds decided to label MS-13 a criminal group. “MS-13 is an example of some of the worst of criminal gang behavior,” Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., told Matthews on the very same show on which Reid appeared. News organizations, including the Washington Post, HuffPost, The New Yorker, The Hill, New York Post, PBS, New York Daily News, Los Angeles Times, Daily Mail, Time and Slate have all covered the dangerous gang." link
So, no Joy Reid is NOT right when she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong and by making that statement, and despite Merge's claim that "it never happened", the facts show otherwise. Someone from MSNBC did in fact make MS-13 out to be no big deal - nothing more than a figment of "Fox watcher's" making. There is a gang problem in this country. The majority of the people in this country know that. If you ask the names of the various gangs the majority of Americans couldn’t tell you. If someone was to wave a magic wand and all MS-13 gang members were to disappear tomorrow there would still be a gang problem in this country.
I expect law enforcement officials to know the different names of gangs and what they are capable of because that is part of their job. Kamala Harris was a San Francisco DA and a California AG before becoming a Senator. I expect her to know about the different gangs.
trump has elevated the MS-13 gangs to push his agenda. What Joy Reid was talking about this in her tweets and trump’s SOTU address. In which he singled out MS-13 with a heart wrenching example and had the grieving parents as his guests. This is from his speech... “ Here tonight are two fathers and two mothers: Evelyn Rodriguez, Freddy Cuevas, Elizabeth Alvarado, and Robert Mickens. Their two teenage daughters — Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens — were close friends on Long Island. But in September 2016, on the eve of Nisa’s 16th Birthday, neither of them came home. These two precious girls were brutally murdered while walking together in their hometown. Six members of the savage gang MS-13 have been charged with Kayla and Nisa’s murders. Many of these gang members took advantage of glaring loopholes in our laws to enter the country as unaccompanied alien minors ‑- and wound up in Kayla and Nisa’s high school.
Evelyn, Elizabeth, Freddy, and Robert: Tonight, everyone in this chamber is praying for you. Everyone in America is grieving for you. And 320 million hearts are breaking for you. We cannot imagine the depth of your sorrow, but we can make sure that other families never have to endure this pain.”Now is this anymore tragic than a mother killed by a drive by shooting, shielding her three children in her own front yard? Or a 15 year old boy killed while sitting on his front porch with some friends and shielding them with his body from shots fired by a drive by shooting. Or the teenage girl walking to the local mall with some friends and is killed by stray bullet. All were gang related and not by MS-13 gangs. These were killed by black gangs. All gangs are dangerous. So why isn’t trump pushing for crackdowns on all gangs. Why just the MS-13 gangs? Maybe it’s because he is intent on pushing his political agenda which doesn't include all gangs but only the one that has undocumented guys. By the way, I took Joy Reid’s comment to mean that before trump started yammering about MS-13 not many had heard about that gang by name. All your examples, with the exception of one, are after trump started talking about them. In other words trump put them in the news elevating them over other gangs. A real disservice to the American people because I think that much attention by a sitting president should include the gang problem in general. Not one gang in particular so he can get his wall. TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY! </crush>
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Post by PLurker on May 18, 2018 15:44:39 GMT
This is Amurika, dammit! There is no freedom to speak another language in Amurika!!Now the little dumpling was kicked out of his office. The horrors will never cease for the persecut edingshouldn't speaking multiple languages be a good thing? for people and country? seems so back ackward, to me.
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Post by thundergal on May 18, 2018 15:51:09 GMT
The BBC are reporting that a GoFund me account was set up to send a Mexican mariachi band to Mr Schlossberg's law office. They got double the amount and now plan to send a taco truck and a piñata too. OMG!! I'm dyin'!!!
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Post by bc2ca on May 18, 2018 15:57:56 GMT
This is Amurika, dammit! There is no freedom to speak another language in Amurika!!Now the little dumpling was kicked out of his office. The horrors will never cease for the persecut edingshouldn't speaking multiple languages be a good thing? for people and country? seems so back ackward, to me. Funny thing is Schlossberg advertises as being fluent in Spanish as an accomplishment in his LinkedIn bio. Apologies if this article was already linked up thread.
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Post by femalebusiness on May 18, 2018 16:19:24 GMT
I laughed so hard I choked on my coffee. Thanks for that laugh.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 16:47:02 GMT
shouldn't speaking multiple languages be a good thing? for people and country? seems so back ackward, to me. Funny thing is Schlossberg advertises as being fluent in Spanish as an accomplishment in his LinkedIn bio. Apologies if this article was already linked up thread. and most likely his grandparents were immigrants too with a name like Schlossberg which is German and as I understand it, he's also Jewish.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:09:50 GMT
Schlossberg bully/cowardThere's another video of Andrew Schlossberg. This one is where he is really unhinged. I really think he has a mental illness/delusional. #maga
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:11:30 GMT
linkThis from MSNBC... Paul Ryan warns that if Dems win, they'll hold Trump accountable 05/03/18 10:42AM “House Speaker Paul Ryan appears eager to make a related case to the public. House Speaker Paul Ryan warned that Democratic gains in November's congressional elections could make it impossible to get anything accomplished and expose President Donald Trump's administration to more aggressive oversight. Should Republicans lose control of either the House or Senate, "you'll have gridlock, you'll have subpoenas," with the whole legislative system "shutting down," Ryan said Wednesday in Beverly Hills, California, at the annual Milken Institute Global Conference.” Prompted this response from Nancy Pelosi.... “Umm, yeah. Yes we will.” It’s called oversight.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:24:11 GMT
linkNPR.... “The House rejected a $867 billion farm bill after spending days negotiating with key conservatives to ensure that the bill could pass without the support of Democrats.” From the article... “House Farm Bill Fails As Conservatives Revolt Over Immigration” “The vote was 198 to 213. All Democrats voted against the measure, and were joined by 30 Republicans. Many of the GOP lawmakers are members of the House Freedom Caucus, and voted no after failing to get concessions on spending and a future vote on immigration in exchange for their support.” Does anyone see something wrong with this?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:29:03 GMT
No president should refer to any human as an "animal" unless they are speaking scientifically at a biology conference - in which case all humans are animals. To refer to only some humans as "animals" is beneath contempt - even for Trump and his sub-basement low-bar. Any "human" that rapes and attacks another human with a nail studded baseball bat with such viciousness that parts of her body were caved in, rips out another human's heart while they're still alive, decapitates another human, hacks another human to bits with a machete, etc. has earned being called an animal or more. By anyone on this planet, including any president of any party, whether I like them or not. And that is horrible to defend those disgusting subhuman pieces of shit in any way, for the sole purpose of vilifying a president you don't like. That is putrid, disgusting, demented and 1000 times worse than Trump calling them animals. If you're so sick and full of hatred that you'd defend these ANIMALS just to vilify a sitting president, you need to step back and examine your motives. That's just sick. And that goes for anyone who agreed with you.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:29:56 GMT
No Joy Reid is NOT right, she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong. And the claim from Merge was that "we" aren't the one conflating MS-13 with ALL. Clearly her claim is wrong, it's proven repeatedly that your "we" actually ARE the ones conflating the two. What facts? I never heard of the M-13 gangs and I don’t watch Fox News. And there are all kind of gangs in San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, even in my little neck of the woods north of SF. And while I have heard about “gang activity” and “gang related deaths” for years, no one has singled out the gangs as M-13 gangs. Just exactly how is @merge claim wrong? If it’s “proven repeatedly” I would think it would be really easy for you to provide specifics. M-13 gangs have been on LI/NY for years! I was scared for my children and they were really segregated to one small area that was already known to be "dangerous". All of these claims that I'm hearing blow my mind. Seriously. There weren't constant murders by the gangs. It was really contained and not what 45 makes it out to be.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 18, 2018 17:30:55 GMT
These facts: "A search of “MS-13” on CNN’s website reveals dozens of articles that mention the gang. The gang has been mentioned in an assortment of New York Times headlines in recent memory, such as a June 2017 article titled, “39 members of MS-13 are arrested, authorities say,” and a July 2017 article headlined, “Trump will visit Long Island in the wake of MS-13 gang arrests.” If the Times is too high-brow for the MSNBC star, USA Today has also covered the gang extensively. A video on the site from Nov. 2017 is headlined, “MS-13 gang member arrested in Maryland murder.” USA Today even covered the gang back in 2012 when the Obama-era feds decided to label MS-13 a criminal group. “MS-13 is an example of some of the worst of criminal gang behavior,” Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., told Matthews on the very same show on which Reid appeared. News organizations, including the Washington Post, HuffPost, The New Yorker, The Hill, New York Post, PBS, New York Daily News, Los Angeles Times, Daily Mail, Time and Slate have all covered the dangerous gang." link
So, no Joy Reid is NOT right when she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong and by making that statement, and despite Merge's claim that "it never happened", the facts show otherwise. Someone from MSNBC did in fact make MS-13 out to be no big deal - nothing more than a figment of "Fox watcher's" making. There is a gang problem in this country. The majority of the people in this country know that. If you ask the names of the various gangs the majority of Americans couldn’t tell you. If someone was to wave a magic wand and all MS-13 gang members were to disappear tomorrow there would still be a gang problem in this country. I expect law enforcement officials to know the different names of gangs and what they are capable of because that is part of their job. Kamala Harris was a San Francisco DA and a California AG before becoming a Senator. I expect her to know about the different gangs. trump has elevated the MS-13 gangs to push his agenda. What Joy Reid was talking about this in her tweets was trump's SOTU address. In which he singled out MS-13 with a heart wrenching example and had the grieving parents as his guests. This is from his speech... “ Here tonight are two fathers and two mothers: Evelyn Rodriguez, Freddy Cuevas, Elizabeth Alvarado, and Robert Mickens. Their two teenage daughters — Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens — were close friends on Long Island. But in September 2016, on the eve of Nisa’s 16th Birthday, neither of them came home. These two precious girls were brutally murdered while walking together in their hometown. Six members of the savage gang MS-13 have been charged with Kayla and Nisa’s murders. Many of these gang members took advantage of glaring loopholes in our laws to enter the country as unaccompanied alien minors ‑- and wound up in Kayla and Nisa’s high school.
Evelyn, Elizabeth, Freddy, and Robert: Tonight, everyone in this chamber is praying for you. Everyone in America is grieving for you. And 320 million hearts are breaking for you. We cannot imagine the depth of your sorrow, but we can make sure that other families never have to endure this pain.”Now is this anymore tragic than a mother killed by a drive by shooting, shielding her three children in her own front yard? Or a 15 year old boy killed while sitting on his front porch with some friends and shielding them with his body from shots fired by a drive by shooting. Or the teenage girl walking to the local mall with some friends and is killed by stray bullet. All were gang related and not by MS-13 gangs. These were killed by black gangs. All gangs are dangerous. So why isn’t trump pushing for crackdowns on all gangs. Why just the MS-13 gangs? Maybe it’s because he is intent on pushing his political agenda which doesn't include all gangs but only the one that has undocumented guys. By the way, I took Joy Reid’s comment to mean that before trump started yammering about MS-13 not many had heard about that gang by name. All your examples, with the exception of one, are after trump started talking about them. In other words trump put them in the news elevating them over other gangs. A real disservice to the American people because I think that much attention by a sitting president should include the gang problem in general. Not one gang in particular so he can get his wall. And John pavlovitz’s message echos the same...
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Post by dewryce on May 18, 2018 17:33:03 GMT
If they've done nothing wrong then they wouldn't be afraid of subpoenas because there would be nothing to find. Oversight is only a bad thing when you're trying to hide something.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:34:05 GMT
These facts: "A search of “MS-13” on CNN’s website reveals dozens of articles that mention the gang. The gang has been mentioned in an assortment of New York Times headlines in recent memory, such as a June 2017 article titled, “39 members of MS-13 are arrested, authorities say,” and a July 2017 article headlined, “Trump will visit Long Island in the wake of MS-13 gang arrests.” If the Times is too high-brow for the MSNBC star, USA Today has also covered the gang extensively. A video on the site from Nov. 2017 is headlined, “MS-13 gang member arrested in Maryland murder.” USA Today even covered the gang back in 2012 when the Obama-era feds decided to label MS-13 a criminal group. “MS-13 is an example of some of the worst of criminal gang behavior,” Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., told Matthews on the very same show on which Reid appeared. News organizations, including the Washington Post, HuffPost, The New Yorker, The Hill, New York Post, PBS, New York Daily News, Los Angeles Times, Daily Mail, Time and Slate have all covered the dangerous gang." link
So, no Joy Reid is NOT right when she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong and by making that statement, and despite Merge's claim that "it never happened", the facts show otherwise. Someone from MSNBC did in fact make MS-13 out to be no big deal - nothing more than a figment of "Fox watcher's" making. There is a gang problem in this country. The majority of the people in this country know that. If you ask the names of the various gangs the majority of Americans couldn’t tell you. If someone was to wave a magic wand and all MS-13 gang members were to disappear tomorrow there would still be a gang problem in this country. I expect law enforcement officials to know the different names of gangs and what they are capable of because that is part of their job. Kamala Harris was a San Francisco DA and a California AG before becoming a Senator. I expect her to know about the different gangs. trump has elevated the MS-13 gangs to push his agenda. What Joy Reid was talking about this in her tweets was trump's SOTU address. In which he singled out MS-13 with a heart wrenching example and had the grieving parents as his guests. This is from his speech... “ Here tonight are two fathers and two mothers: Evelyn Rodriguez, Freddy Cuevas, Elizabeth Alvarado, and Robert Mickens. Their two teenage daughters — Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens — were close friends on Long Island. But in September 2016, on the eve of Nisa’s 16th Birthday, neither of them came home. These two precious girls were brutally murdered while walking together in their hometown. Six members of the savage gang MS-13 have been charged with Kayla and Nisa’s murders. Many of these gang members took advantage of glaring loopholes in our laws to enter the country as unaccompanied alien minors ‑- and wound up in Kayla and Nisa’s high school.
Evelyn, Elizabeth, Freddy, and Robert: Tonight, everyone in this chamber is praying for you. Everyone in America is grieving for you. And 320 million hearts are breaking for you. We cannot imagine the depth of your sorrow, but we can make sure that other families never have to endure this pain.”Now is this anymore tragic than a mother killed by a drive by shooting, shielding her three children in her own front yard? Or a 15 year old boy killed while sitting on his front porch with some friends and shielding them with his body from shots fired by a drive by shooting. Or the teenage girl walking to the local mall with some friends and is killed by stray bullet. All were gang related and not by MS-13 gangs. These were killed by black gangs. All gangs are dangerous. So why isn’t trump pushing for crackdowns on all gangs. Why just the MS-13 gangs? Maybe it’s because he is intent on pushing his political agenda which doesn't include all gangs but only the one that has undocumented guys. By the way, I took Joy Reid’s comment to mean that before trump started yammering about MS-13 not many had heard about that gang by name. All your examples, with the exception of one, are after trump started talking about them. In other words trump put them in the news elevating them over other gangs. A real disservice to the American people because I think that much attention by a sitting president should include the gang problem in general. Not one gang in particular so he can get his wall. Not one single thing in that giant wall of text negates the fact that Joy Reid is NOT right when she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong and by making that statement, and despite Merge's claim that "it never happened", the facts show otherwise. Someone from MSNBC did in fact make MS-13 out to be no big deal - nothing more than a figment of "Fox watcher's" making. Uh, you'd better look again. The comment made by Joy Reid was during Trump's State of the Union address. ALL of the examples are from BEFORE that, including the DOZENS of examples from her own damn network.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 18, 2018 17:36:39 GMT
No president should refer to any human as an "animal" unless they are speaking scientifically at a biology conference - in which case all humans are animals. To refer to only some humans as "animals" is beneath contempt - even for Trump and his sub-basement low-bar. Any "human" that rapes and attacks another human with a nail studded baseball bat with such viciousness that parts of her body were caved in, rips out another human's heart while they're still alive, decapitates another human, hacks another human to bits with a machete, etc. has earned being called an animal or more. By anyone on this planet, including any president of any party, whether I like them or not. And that is horrible to defend those disgusting subhuman pieces of shit in any way, for the sole purpose of vilifying a president you don't like. That is putrid, disgusting, demented and 1000 times worse than Trump calling them animals. If you're so sick and full of hatred that you'd defend these ANIMALS just to vilify a sitting president, you need to step back and examine your motives. That's just sick. And that goes for anyone who agreed with you. You are truly out of your ever living mind—you’re delusional if you think that anyone here has defended the atrocities of what gangs have done to people. If this is going to be your new “norm” then heed your own outrage advice—you are a disgusting piece of shit 1,000,000 times worse than the “animals” you continue to defend and support who are shooting up schools killing children ripping them from their families. You seriously need help Gia.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:36:47 GMT
There are several more videos of this guy on twitter. One specifically from 2016 where he (slossenburg)intentionally plows into another guy and his friend on the sidewalk and then goes into his tirade of racial slurs and calling police etc. Thing is, the man was AMERICAN. Schlossenburg assumed he was foreign because he had a ponytail. ETA: here it is The BBC are reporting that a GoFund me account was set up to send a Mexican mariachi band to Mr Schlossberg's law office. They got double the amount and now plan to send a taco truck and a piñata too.
I looked him up briefly and spotted the other info. He must be an awful attorney. I worked in law for over 35 years, and every attorney I know would NEVER have assumed that a foreign accent automatically indicates that you are not legal or U.S. born. It's outrageous. This douche seemed unhinged for a long time. I love the video of 3 people filming him on the streets of NYC and he ran away, hid under his stupid knit cap, opened an umbrella and then called for "help" because he claimed he was being accosted by these people (he wasn't). What an utter moron!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 18:08:31 GMT
The sudden objection to the same kind of talk "you" have aimed the other way for years is a JOKE.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 18:50:20 GMT
There is a gang problem in this country. The majority of the people in this country know that. If you ask the names of the various gangs the majority of Americans couldn’t tell you. If someone was to wave a magic wand and all MS-13 gang members were to disappear tomorrow there would still be a gang problem in this country. I expect law enforcement officials to know the different names of gangs and what they are capable of because that is part of their job. Kamala Harris was a San Francisco DA and a California AG before becoming a Senator. I expect her to know about the different gangs. trump has elevated the MS-13 gangs to push his agenda. What Joy Reid was talking about this in her tweets was trump's SOTU address. In which he singled out MS-13 with a heart wrenching example and had the grieving parents as his guests. This is from his speech... “ Here tonight are two fathers and two mothers: Evelyn Rodriguez, Freddy Cuevas, Elizabeth Alvarado, and Robert Mickens. Their two teenage daughters — Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens — were close friends on Long Island. But in September 2016, on the eve of Nisa’s 16th Birthday, neither of them came home. These two precious girls were brutally murdered while walking together in their hometown. Six members of the savage gang MS-13 have been charged with Kayla and Nisa’s murders. Many of these gang members took advantage of glaring loopholes in our laws to enter the country as unaccompanied alien minors ‑- and wound up in Kayla and Nisa’s high school.
Evelyn, Elizabeth, Freddy, and Robert: Tonight, everyone in this chamber is praying for you. Everyone in America is grieving for you. And 320 million hearts are breaking for you. We cannot imagine the depth of your sorrow, but we can make sure that other families never have to endure this pain.”Now is this anymore tragic than a mother killed by a drive by shooting, shielding her three children in her own front yard? Or a 15 year old boy killed while sitting on his front porch with some friends and shielding them with his body from shots fired by a drive by shooting. Or the teenage girl walking to the local mall with some friends and is killed by stray bullet. All were gang related and not by MS-13 gangs. These were killed by black gangs. All gangs are dangerous. So why isn’t trump pushing for crackdowns on all gangs. Why just the MS-13 gangs? Maybe it’s because he is intent on pushing his political agenda which doesn't include all gangs but only the one that has undocumented guys. By the way, I took Joy Reid’s comment to mean that before trump started yammering about MS-13 not many had heard about that gang by name. All your examples, with the exception of one, are after trump started talking about them. In other words trump put them in the news elevating them over other gangs. A real disservice to the American people because I think that much attention by a sitting president should include the gang problem in general. Not one gang in particular so he can get his wall. Not one single thing in that giant wall of text negates the fact that Joy Reid is NOT right when she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong and by making that statement, and despite Merge's claim that "it never happened", the facts show otherwise. Someone from MSNBC did in fact make MS-13 out to be no big deal - nothing more than a figment of "Fox watcher's" making. Uh, you'd better look again. The comment made by Joy Reid was during Trump's State of the Union address. ALL of the examples are from BEFORE that, including the DOZENS of examples from her own damn network. Sorry I wasn’t clear. All your examples were after tiny hands started yammering about the MS-13 gangs from 2015 on when he announced his candidacy. Prior to that I doubt many people knew who or what MS-13 was. And I pointed out Joy Reid’s tweet was about SOTU speech where he highlighted the actions of MS-13 gangs. My point is prior to trump elevating the MS-13 gangs in 2015, very few people knew them by names. The activities, for the most part, were just referred to as a generic “gang activities”. trump’s MS-13 example in his SOTU speech is not any worse then what other gangs are doing. So the question is WHY HAS trump ELEVATED THE ACTIONS OF THE MS-13 GANGS OVER OTHER GANGS? That is the question that is being asked by a lot of people including Joy Reid. And while she was not specific in her comments that is where she was heading. And the comments by John Pavolovitz answered the question IMO. So do you have a better answer as to why trump is singling out this particular gang over all the other gangs in this country? And why instead of just leading a charge against the MS-13 gangs, he isn’t leading a charge against all gangs? That is the real question.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 18, 2018 18:59:21 GMT
Not one single thing in that giant wall of text negates the fact that Joy Reid is NOT right when she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong and by making that statement, and despite Merge's claim that "it never happened", the facts show otherwise. Someone from MSNBC did in fact make MS-13 out to be no big deal - nothing more than a figment of "Fox watcher's" making. Uh, you'd better look again. The comment made by Joy Reid was during Trump's State of the Union address. ALL of the examples are from BEFORE that, including the DOZENS of examples from her own damn network. Sorry I wasn’t clear. All your examples were after tiny hands started yammering about the MS-13 gangs from 2015 on when he announced his candidacy. Prior to that I doubt many people knew who or what MS-13 was. And I pointed out Joy Reid’s tweet was about SOTU speech where he highlighted the actions of MS-13 gangs. My point is prior to trump elevating the MS-13 gangs in 2015, very few people knew them by names. The activities, for the most part, were just referred to as a generic “gang activities”. trump’s MS-13 example in his SOTU speech is not any worse then what other gangs are doing. So the question is WHY HAS trump ELEVATED THE ACTIONS OF THE MS-13 GANGS OVER OTHER GANGS? That is the question that is being asked by a lot of people including Joy Reid. And while she was not specific in her comments that is where she was heading. And the comments by John Pavolovitz answered the question IMO. So do you have a better answer as to why trump is singling out this particular gang over all the other gangs in this country? And why instead of just leading a charge against the MS-13 gangs, he isn’t leading a charge against all gangs? That is the real question. It’s useless—she’ll defend the piece of shit with all avenues always.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 19:14:02 GMT
Not one single thing in that giant wall of text negates the fact that Joy Reid is NOT right when she said: "a gang nobody that doesn't watch Fox News has ever heard of." Sorry, no. The facts make that dead wrong and by making that statement, and despite Merge's claim that "it never happened", the facts show otherwise. Someone from MSNBC did in fact make MS-13 out to be no big deal - nothing more than a figment of "Fox watcher's" making. Uh, you'd better look again. The comment made by Joy Reid was during Trump's State of the Union address. ALL of the examples are from BEFORE that, including the DOZENS of examples from her own damn network. Sorry I wasn’t clear. All your examples were after tiny hands started yammering about the MS-13 gangs from 2015 on when he announced his candidacy. Prior to that I doubt many people knew who or what MS-13 was. And I pointed out Joy Reid’s tweet was about SOTU speech where he highlighted the actions of MS-13 gangs. My point is prior to trump elevating the MS-13 gangs in 2015, very few people knew them by names. The activities, for the most part, were just referred to as a generic “gang activities”. trump’s MS-13 example in his SOTU speech is not any worse then what other gangs are doing. So the question is WHY HAS trump ELEVATED THE ACTIONS OF THE MS-13 GANGS OVER OTHER GANGS? That is the question that is being asked by a lot of people including Joy Reid. And while she was not specific in her comments that is where she was heading. And the comments by John Pavolovitz answered the question IMO. So do you have a better answer as to why trump is singling out this particular gang over all the other gangs in this country? And why instead of just leading a charge against the MS-13 gangs, he isn’t leading a charge against all gangs? That is the real question. That's irrelevant in the conversation of Joy Reid claiming in 2017 that unless you watch FOX, you haven't heard about MS-13 and don't know who they are. Because I don't think other gangs are doing such evil things as raping and attacking another person with a nail studded baseball bat with such viciousness that parts of her body were caved in, or ripping out another person's heart while they're still alive, or decapitating another person, hacking another person to bits with a machete, etc.
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Post by PLurker on May 18, 2018 21:00:49 GMT
If they've done nothing wrong then they wouldn't be afraid of subpoenas because there would be nothing to find. Oversight is only a bad thing when you're trying to hide something. I find it amusing (ok, not amusing, interesting?) that most of time I hear his supporters speak on tv they don't say he didn't do what he is possibly being accused of but instead how he shouldn't/couldn't/can't be held accountable for such things. No denials-let alone any letters of recommendations, so to speak.
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Post by dewryce on May 18, 2018 21:45:37 GMT
If they've done nothing wrong then they wouldn't be afraid of subpoenas because there would be nothing to find. Oversight is only a bad thing when you're trying to hide something. I find it amusing (ok, not amusing, interesting?) that most of time I hear his supporters speak on tv they don't say he didn't do what he is possibly being accused of but instead how he shouldn't/couldn't/can't be held accountable for such things. No denials-let alone any letters of recommendations, so to speak. Exactly! But they didn't, no they wouldn't apply that logic to a democratic politician. Only their chosen politician is exempt.
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Post by navymomk9 on May 18, 2018 23:50:05 GMT
Regarding Trumps "animal" remark,I am reminded of the other terms he uses for immigrants. "Catch&Release" and chain "migration" Trumpets can deny it all they want but this president is mirroring Hitler more and more.
Eta-And the cruel threat of separating mothers from children. Just like we do with our puppies and kittens. Dear God they are dehumanizing immigrants left and right.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 23:57:53 GMT
trump....
“America is blessed with extraordinary energy abundance, including more than 250 years worth of beautiful clean coal. We have ended the war on coal, and will continue to work to promote American energy dominance!”
With beautiful clean coal? Man he is nuts.
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Post by andreasmom on May 19, 2018 0:35:55 GMT
trump.... “America is blessed with extraordinary energy abundance, including more than 250 years worth of beautiful clean coal. We have ended the war on coal, and will continue to work to promote American energy dominance!” With beautiful clean coal? Man he is nuts. Clean coal is just the worst oxymoron ever. Sad.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 0:46:48 GMT
Regarding Trumps "animal" remark,I am reminded of the other terms he uses for immigrants. "Catch&Release" and chain "migration" Trumpets can deny it all they want but this president is mirroring Hitler more and more. Eta-And the cruel threat of separating mothers from children. Just like we do with our puppies and kittens. Dear God they are dehumanizing immigrants left and right. You do know the phrases "catch and release" and "chain migration" were around long before Trump, right? Even some dear old democrats have used the "chain migration" phrase. Are you suggesting Dick Durbin and Diane Feinstein were mirroring Hitler?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 1:05:53 GMT
My point is prior to trump elevating the MS-13 gangs in 2015, very few people knew them by names. The activities, for the most part, were just referred to as a generic “gang activities”. trump’s MS-13 example in his SOTU speech is not any worse then what other gangs are doing. So the question is WHY HAS trump ELEVATED THE ACTIONS OF THE MS-13 GANGS OVER OTHER GANGS? That is the question that is being asked by a lot of people including Joy Reid. And while she was not specific in her comments that is where she was heading. And the comments by John Pavolovitz answered the question IMO. So do you have a better answer as to why trump is singling out this particular gang over all the other gangs in this country? And why instead of just leading a charge against the MS-13 gangs, he isn’t leading a charge against all gangs? That is the real question. Barrio Azteca Latin Kings Latin Syndicate Los Mexicales Sieto Viejo Spanish Gangster Disciples
Just a small sampling of other Hispanic gangs in this country. Why isn't Trump bringing them, and all other Hispanic gangs, into the spotlight? Maybe because none of them are on the same level as MS-13.
MS-13 kills for fun.
MS-13 performs satanic rituals.
MS-13 decapitates for sport.
Wanna know more what those poor "human beings" do? A little bit of research would do a lot of people good.
I won't shed a single f'in tear each and every time Trump, or anyone else, refers to them as animals because that's exactly what they are. Y'all can stand right next to Nancy Pelosi and her B.S. sympathy speech if you choose. I'll sleep just fine with my feelings towards them.
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