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Post by pierogi on May 25, 2018 20:59:07 GMT
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From Josh Dawsey... “During an Oval Office meeting last February, Trump acted as if he was at a rally, making up Hispanic names and noting crimes they might have committed -- saying the crowd would roar for deportations. Jared Kushner and Stephen Miller laughed. washingtonpost.com/politics/were-…” Its amazing how people continue to purposely overlook the character of this man. Now why would conservatives overlook behavior that they support and agree with? This is who they are. Never forget that.
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Post by ntsf on May 25, 2018 21:41:45 GMT
I absolutely despise forced patriotism. I worked at a national park.. a old military site.. and my boss had never had any job outside of the army and the park service. he required us staff to attend a secret intelligence ceremony at our site and made us do a military salute. I refused to do the salute cause I was not in the military. I got lots and lots of crap for that and I resented big time being made to go to any army ceremony.
this was years ago, but it sticks in my mind.
I will support any football player who does not want to stand for the anthem. those against such action don't know their history.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 2:10:21 GMT
Kyle Griffin....
“The FBI has obtained secret wiretaps collected by Spanish police of conversations involving Alexander Torshin, the Putin ally who met Don Jr. at the NRA convention, Yahoo reports.
A top Spanish prosecutor said: “Mr. Trump’s son should be concerned.”
I’m beginning to think it’s not if they find trump & trump organization guilty of crimes but when they do.
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Post by imsirius on May 26, 2018 2:20:21 GMT
Where the hell are these children??? 😡😡😡🤯
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 5:00:36 GMT
The Hill....
“Trump: The world is "respecting us again" hill.cm/CTkSPlU”
Not when this country pulls stunts like this..
Preet Bharara...
“What is more shameful than forcibly separating, in America, parents from infant children at the border? And then, losing track of those children?”
David Simon...
“Do you understand how much of a nazi you have to be to pull a frightened, crying child away from a mother, offering no reassurance or explanation of when the child will see that mother again? And then wake up, go to work, and do it again? Be ashamed. We are the shithole nation.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 26, 2018 13:29:46 GMT
Where the hell are these children??? 😡😡😡🤯 Preet Bharara... “What is more shameful than forcibly separating, in America, parents from infant children at the border? And then, losing track of those children?” David Simon... “Do you understand how much of a nazi you have to be to pull a frightened, crying child away from a mother, offering no reassurance or explanation of when the child will see that mother again? And then wake up, go to work, and do it again? Be ashamed. We are the shithole nation.” mr. president, how does the world really see us? Where are the children!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 14:51:06 GMT
trump...
“Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there parents once they cross the Border into the U.S. Catch and Release, Lottery and Chain must also go with it and we MUST continue building the WALL! DEMOCRATS ARE PROTECTING MS-13 THUGS.”
So now it’s the Democrats fault this terrible practice is happening at the southern border.
But as Bill Kristol points out...
“Needless to say, Trump can end what even he calls the "horrible" practice of separating parents from their children by executive action under current law. He does not need to wait for Congress to do anything.”
Once again we see trump willing to use human beings as bargaining chips to get what he wants.
I’m taking a wild guess here but trump’s actions aren’t MAGA. In fact just the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 15:12:09 GMT
As much as trump wants to blame the Democrats for the current mess on the Southern Border it’s all on him.
FactCheck .org
“Trump Blames Own Border Policy on Democrats”
President Donald Trump wrongly blamed Democrats for a Trump administration policy that will separate parents and their young children caught entering the U.S. illegally.
“We have to break up families,” Trump claimed, because of “bad laws that the Democrats gave us.” But there is no such law. Instead, it’s the administration’s decision to criminally prosecute all immigrants who cross the border illegally that will cause children to be separated from their parents.
In early May, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen directed her department to refer all unauthorized immigrants who cross the U.S. border to federal prosecutors. It’s in accordance with the Department of Justice’s new “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration at the Southwest border.
Parents would be sent to federal court under the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service and then placed in a detention center, according to a DHS spokesperson. Their children, minors who cannot be housed in a detention center for adults, would be transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services for placement in a juvenile facility or foster care if they have no other adult relative in the U.S. who can take them in.
“It is the government’s choice whether to criminally prosecute someone for illegal entry or reentry,” Theresa Cardinal Brown, director of immigration and cross-border policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington, D.C., told us.
Trump made his remarks at a White House meeting on so-called “sanctuary city” policies in California. He told Nielsen, who was in attendance, that Democrats were responsible for the “tough” situation involving immigrant families.
“trump, May 16: I know what you’re going through right now with families is very tough. But those are the bad laws that the Democrats gave us. We have to break up families. The Democrats gave us that law. It’s a horrible thing. We have to break up families.
The Democrats gave us that law and they don’t want to do anything about it. They’ll leave it like that because they don’t want to make any changes. And now you’re breaking up families because of the Democrats. It’s terrible.”
Since at least the administration of George W. Bush, a Republican president, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held many parents and children who crossed the border seeking asylum in family detention centers. Those families have been kept together until they go before an immigration judge or are formally removed from the U.S.
Prior to that, “family units were hardly ever detained, but rather processed and released with a notice to appear at immigration court, especially if they met the credible fear of persecution criteria for a claim to asylum,” according to the Bipartisan Policy Center, a think tank that promotes bipartisan policy solutions.
So, to what Democratic law is Trump referring?
A White House spokesman referred us to a DHS statement regarding a 1997 legal settlement and 2008 antitrafficking law affecting minors who are apprehended without a parent present:
* Under the 1997 settlement, DHS could detain unaccompanied children captured at the border for only 20 days before releasing them to foster families, shelters or sponsors, pending resolution of their immigration cases. The settlement was later expanded through other court rulings to include both unaccompanied and accompanied children.
* The William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 requires unaccompanied minors from countries other than Mexico and Canada to be placed in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, or relatives in the U.S., while they go through removal proceedings. The bipartisan bill was approved by unanimous consent and signed by Bush.
We wrote about both when Trump also wrongly faulted Democrats for the so-called “catch and release” policy that allows some immigrants caught in the U.S. without proper documentation to be released back into the U.S. while they await an immigration court hearing. See “FactChecking Trump’s Immigration Tweets” for more details.)
But neither the court settlement nor the 2008 law require the Trump administration to “break up families.”
They require the government to release children from custody after a certain period of detainment, said Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute. But they don’t require that parents continue to be held in immigration detention.
“The government absolutely has the option to release the parents,” as well, Pierce said. That’s as long as they aren’t a flight or safety risk, she added.
Brown, of the Bipartisan Policy Center, said the Trump administration’s decision to bring criminal charges against the parents — rather than follow the civil removal process — will result in children being separated from their parents.
“It is the government’s choice whether to criminally prosecute someone for illegal entry or reentry,” Brown wrote in an email to FactCheck.org. “That is the quintessential definition of ‘prosecutorial discretion.'”
“Historically, most immigrants were not prosecuted, even when the law allowed for it, they were simply removed in civil proceedings,” she said. “The significant uptick in criminal prosecution began under President George W. Bush, and continued through the early Obama administration.”
U.S Attorney General Jeff Sessions outlined the new enforcement actions on May 7.
“If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions said. “If you smuggle illegal aliens across our border, then we will prosecute you. If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law.”
Because minors cannot be kept in jails for adults, children would be separated from parents charged with committing a crime, Brown explained. Children would then be considered unaccompanied minors and turned over to the refugee resettlement office.
In fact, White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, who was Homeland Security secretary before Nielsen, indicated in March 2017 that DHS was considering splitting up parents and children as a strategy to deter other families from illegally immigrating to the U.S.
Other administration officials — including Nielsen and ICE’s top official, Thomas Homan — have since denied that is the intent.
“I want to be clear. DHS does not have a blanket policy on separating families as a deterrent,” Homan, reportedly said at the press event with Sessions. “Every law enforcement agency in this country separates parents from children when they’re arrested for a crime. There is no new policy. This has always been the policy. Now, you will see more prosecutions because of the attorney general’s commitment to zero tolerance.”
Even so, the decision to prosecute all offenders is one that was made by the current administration. It is not a law that “Democrats gave us,” as Trump said.
In other words as most of trump’s assertions, it was deemed FALSE!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 15:20:42 GMT
Bradley P. Moss....
“Let me get this straight. The President staffed his campaign with 2 indicted tax frauds/money launderers (one pled guilty already), an agent of a foreign power (Page), and an unregistered foreign agent (Flynn), among other things.
And the scandal is that the FBI was concerned?”
Funny that.
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Post by femalebusiness on May 26, 2018 15:21:25 GMT
I don't understand how any human can look themselves in the mirror and be okay with terrorizing children like this.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2018 16:42:07 GMT
I don't understand how any human can look themselves in the mirror and be okay with terrorizing children like this. They blame democrats. That’s how they are okay with it.
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Post by pierogi on May 26, 2018 19:21:19 GMT
I don't understand how any human can look themselves in the mirror and be okay with terrorizing children like this. Decent human beings can’t.
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Post by imsirius on May 26, 2018 19:44:42 GMT
Well here is a partial answer 😭😡🤮😲
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Post by lucyg on May 26, 2018 21:24:43 GMT
This is the one I like. 2020 ~ Any Functioning Adult
I bought a bunch of them at Christmas for gifts and had to give away the last one I was saving for myself, and there are still people who want them. I need to order another batch. I think I saw them here first. Thanks, whoever posted it.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 21:51:50 GMT
trump..
“With Spies, or “Informants” as the Democrats like to call them because it sounds less sinister (but it’s not), all over my campaign, even from a very early date, why didn’t the crooked highest levels of the FBI or “Justice” contact me to tell me of the phony Russia problem?”
&
“When will the 13 Angry Democrats (& those who worked for President O), reveal their disqualifying Conflicts of Interest? It’s been a long time now! Will they be indelibly written into the Report along with the fact that the only Collusion is with the Dems, Justice, FBI & Russia?”
Prompted this...
Politico...
“One of the many problems with Trump’s "Spygate" theory is the idea that the FBI and “Deep State” would go to all that trouble penetrating his campaign with a “spy” and then not use what they had gleaned to destroy his chances of winning the election”
I wish someone would ask trump this and stay with it until he gives an answer. I’m sure it would be highly entertaining and scary at the same time.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 26, 2018 21:54:13 GMT
U.S Attorney General Jeff Sessions outlined the new enforcement actions on May 7. “If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions said. “If you smuggle illegal aliens across our border, then we will prosecute you. If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law.” Because minors cannot be kept in jails for adults, children would be separated from parents charged with committing a crime, Brown explained. Children would then be considered unaccompanied minors and turned over to the refugee resettlement office. In fact, White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, who was Homeland Security secretary before Nielsen, indicated in March 2017 that DHS was considering splitting up parents and children as a strategy to deter other families from illegally immigrating to the U.S. Other administration officials — including Nielsen and ICE’s top official, Thomas Homan — have since denied that is the intent. DHS chief sees working for Trump as almost impossible task: report BY AVERY ANAPOL - 05/25/18 08:48 AM EDT The report details Nielsen’s tumultuous relationship with Trump and other White House advisers, characterizing Kelly as her “only friend” in the administration. According to the Post, Trump has been relentless in his criticism of Nielsen over what he sees as a lack of progress on immigration and border security. Administration officials defended the relationship between Trump and Nielsen. The White House senior policy adviser on immigration, Stephen Miller, told the Post that Nielsen is “vigorously advancing the president’s agenda” on immigration. “She knows the threat, understands the threat, and is undertaking bold action to confront it head-on,” Miller said. More at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/389335-dhs-chief-says-working-for-trump-is-almost-impossible-task-reportThis administration seems to have no one who has compassion or common decency toward others, particularly children!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 22:08:21 GMT
The New York TimesAnother example of the high cost of the trump presidency to the United States.. Michael McFaul.. “Two years ago, Putin was the isolated one in the world. Today, the United States is. Amazing how far we have fallen in such a short about of time.” From the New York Times ... “Hosted by Putin, Leaders of France and Japan Castigate Trump”
From the article... ST. PETERSBURG, Russia — The president of France spoke of an “erroneous decision.” Japan’s Prime Minister lamented disruptions to trade. The head of the International Monetary Fund said recent foreign policy positions were “not the right way to go.” They were not criticizing President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, whom the United States has tried to isolate on the world stage. Instead, Mr. Putin sat, nodding approvingly, on a stage beside these heads of state and other senior officials at a business forum that veered into what sounded at times like a group-therapy session for world leaders slighted by President Trump. Speaking to an auditorium of business executives, President Emmanuel Macron of France said he had tried to persuade President Trump to remain in the international climate accord, observe a nuclear deal with Iran and refrain from moving the United States embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, only to be rebuffed on all three points. Mr. Macron called the embassy move “erroneous.” Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan said he was moving ahead with a trade pact with Pacific nations despite Mr. Trump’s withdrawal from the deal. “This is the kind of fairness we need,” he said of the trade deal. “Unfortunately, the U.S. withdrew.” Christine Lagarde, the director of the International Monetary Fund, said the Trump administration’s threat to impose tariffs on Chinese goods was rocking the boat of the global economy. A trade deficit is not reason enough to impose tariffs, she said. “It’s a strange complaint,” she said, and “not the right way to go” on trade. It was a peculiar forum for airing grievances against the United States. At the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, an annual gathering for foreign investors and executives who do business in Russia, Mr. Putin was playing host to the leaders of France and Japan, countries that have imposed sanctions on Russia.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 26, 2018 23:01:52 GMT
HE has not clue on how the world works!!
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Post by imsirius on May 26, 2018 23:19:29 GMT
Has no clue is right. I laugh and laugh..look at his face..
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Post by casii on May 26, 2018 23:44:25 GMT
This is the one I like. 2020 ~ Any Functioning Adult
I bought a bunch of them at Christmas for gifts and had to give away the last one I was saving for myself, and there are still people who want them. I need to order another batch. I think I saw them here first. Thanks, whoever posted it. Ha! I need to be on your gift list! Normally I don't put stickers on my car at all, but considering the dumpster fire state of the union, I may have to make an exception. I wish they'd do these things in magnets more often.
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Post by casii on May 26, 2018 23:49:28 GMT
U.S Attorney General Jeff Sessions outlined the new enforcement actions on May 7. “If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions said. “If you smuggle illegal aliens across our border, then we will prosecute you. If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law.” Because minors cannot be kept in jails for adults, children would be separated from parents charged with committing a crime, Brown explained. Children would then be considered unaccompanied minors and turned over to the refugee resettlement office. In fact, White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, who was Homeland Security secretary before Nielsen, indicated in March 2017 that DHS was considering splitting up parents and children as a strategy to deter other families from illegally immigrating to the U.S. Other administration officials — including Nielsen and ICE’s top official, Thomas Homan — have since denied that is the intent. DHS chief sees working for Trump as almost impossible task: report BY AVERY ANAPOL - 05/25/18 08:48 AM EDT The report details Nielsen’s tumultuous relationship with Trump and other White House advisers, characterizing Kelly as her “only friend” in the administration. According to the Post, Trump has been relentless in his criticism of Nielsen over what he sees as a lack of progress on immigration and border security. Administration officials defended the relationship between Trump and Nielsen. The White House senior policy adviser on immigration, Stephen Miller, told the Post that Nielsen is “vigorously advancing the president’s agenda” on immigration. “She knows the threat, understands the threat, and is undertaking bold action to confront it head-on,” Miller said. More at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/389335-dhs-chief-says-working-for-trump-is-almost-impossible-task-reportThis administration seems to have no one who has compassion or common decency toward others, particularly children! I really feel like this should be it's own thread? Is there one I haven't seen? This is monstrous and devoid of humanity to rip children away from their parents. What's likely not being reports on outlets like Fox is that this is happening at legal checkpoints where parents are legally seeking asylum. The families are trying to do the right thing and we're treating children like disposable garbage. How many people realize we did something very similar during the Holocaust. Boats with Jewish refugees who had spent every last resource trying to find asylum were turned away from the US where they were almost certainly sent to their deaths. It was monstrous then and this latest decision is monstrous now. God in his mercy, I hope Republicans find some way to examine their souls if they have one.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 23:57:35 GMT
Jon Favreau...
“It’s wild that we treat Trump getting caught in a lie as some revelation when he lies nearly every single day. Big lies. Small lies. Easily provable lies.
I’ve never come across anyone in my life who lies as much as the President does. It’s the most consistent thing about him!”
He’s right. His lies are the most consistent thing he does with the exception of playing golf.
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Post by suzastampin on May 27, 2018 3:16:19 GMT
Has no clue is right. I laugh and laugh..look at his face.. My husband calls that look on his face his "I smell cat poop face"
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 3:19:39 GMT
Well here is a partial answer 😭😡🤮😲 Yes, that happened under Obama link
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 3:27:17 GMT
Jon Cryer.... “Sincere question: Can anybody name an employer that requires their employees to participate in patriotic displays? (Excepting of course, the U.S. government)” Good question. I can’t think of any. #slipperysloap NO ONE is forcing them. They can stay in the locker room if they can't stand for the national anthem.
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