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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 3:29:27 GMT
I absolutely despise forced patriotism. I worked at a national park.. a old military site.. and my boss had never had any job outside of the army and the park service. he required us staff to attend a secret intelligence ceremony at our site and made us do a military salute. I refused to do the salute cause I was not in the military. I got lots and lots of crap for that and I resented big time being made to go to any army ceremony. this was years ago, but it sticks in my mind. I will support any football player who does not want to stand for the anthem. those against such action don't know their history. NO ONE is forcing them. They can stay in the locker room if they can't stand for the national anthem.
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Post by redhead32 on May 27, 2018 3:37:24 GMT
Well here is a partial answer 😭😡🤮😲 <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 12px; top: 116px;" id="MoatPxIOPT2_96492705" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 510px; top: 116px;" id="MoatPxIOPT2_56682244" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 12px; top: 271px;" id="MoatPxIOPT2_676579" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 510px; top: 271px;" id="MoatPxIOPT2_66819855" scrolling="no"></iframe> Yes, that happened under Obama linkAnd how do you feel about the current policy to separate children from people seeking legal asylum? Can't blame Obama for that, despite Trump's tweets.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 3:51:42 GMT
Yes, that happened under Obama linkAnd how do you feel about the current policy to separate children from people seeking legal asylum? Can't blame Obama for that, despite Trump's tweets. "If you cross the border UNLAWFULLY, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple," Sessions said earlier this month. "If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. And that child may be separated from you, as required by law."
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Post by redhead32 on May 27, 2018 3:55:27 GMT
And how do you feel about the current policy to separate children from people seeking legal asylum? Can't blame Obama for that, despite Trump's tweets. "If you cross the border UNLAWFULLY, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple," Sessions said earlier this month. "If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. And that child may be separated from you, as required by law." Got it. I should have expected as much. And those seeking asylum? Cool with that as well? children separated from asylum seekers
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:00:41 GMT
"If you cross the border UNLAWFULLY, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple," Sessions said earlier this month. "If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. And that child may be separated from you, as required by law." Got it. I should have expected as much. And those seeking asylum? Cool with that as well? children separated from asylum seekersYou should have expected as much? You're actually attempting to shame me for expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:01:48 GMT
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Post by redhead32 on May 27, 2018 4:02:32 GMT
You should have expected as much? You're actually attempting to shame me for expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? Not answering the other question, eh? About the asylum seekers? I don't think it is possible to "shame" some stranger on the Internet. I meant what I said. Your answer met my expectations.
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Post by slkone on May 27, 2018 4:05:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:05:28 GMT
You should have expected as much? You're actually attempting to shame me for expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? Not answering the other question, eh? About the asylum seekers? I don't think it is possible to "shame" some stranger on the Internet. I meant what I said. Your answer met my expectations. It's happening here.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:12:50 GMT
Well here is a partial answer 😭😡🤮😲 Yes, that happened under Obama link PBSHere, get the rest of the story. From the story.. “In 2014, at least 10 trafficking victims, including eight minors, were discovered during a raid by federal and local law enforcement in Portman’s home state of Ohio. As FRONTLINE examined in the recent documentary Trafficked in America, HHS had released several minors to the traffickers. The committee said the case was due to policies and procedures that were “inadequate to protect the children in the agency’s care.”
Admitted in 2014, now fast forward to October 2017... “ Between October and December 2017, he said, the agency was unable to locate almost 1,500 out of the 7,635 minors that it attempted to reach — or about 19 percent. Over two dozen had run away, according to Wagner, who said the agency did not have the capacity to track them down.”Up until now these kids were unaccompanied. Now they are making the situation even worse with trump’s grand plan to separate the kids from their parents. Translation : More kids will disappear because of gaps in the system.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:16:26 GMT
You should have expected as much? You're actually attempting to shame me for expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? What is amazing is your lack of understanding.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:27:05 GMT
Yes, that happened under Obama link PBSHere, get the rest of the story. From the story.. “In 2014, at least 10 trafficking victims, including eight minors, were discovered during a raid by federal and local law enforcement in Portman’s home state of Ohio. As FRONTLINE examined in the recent documentary Trafficked in America, HHS had released several minors to the traffickers. The committee said the case was due to policies and procedures that were “inadequate to protect the children in the agency’s care.”
Admitted in 2014, now fast forward to October 2017... “ Between October and December 2017, he said, the agency was unable to locate almost 1,500 out of the 7,635 minors that it attempted to reach — or about 19 percent. Over two dozen had run away, according to Wagner, who said the agency did not have the capacity to track them down.”Up until now these kids were unaccompanied. Now they are making the situation even worse with trump’s grand plan to separate the kids from their parents. Translation : More kids will disappear because of gaps in the system. The point is children were given to human traffickers under Obama, not Trump as Imsirus made it look like by leaving that fact out.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:28:12 GMT
You should have expected as much? You're actually attempting to shame me for expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? What is amazing is your lack of understanding. Enlighten me. What is it that you think I don't understand?
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Post by redhead32 on May 27, 2018 4:30:51 GMT
What is amazing is your lack of understanding. Enlighten me. What is it that you think I don't understand? Still not weighing in on separating children from asylum seekers?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:38:54 GMT
Enlighten me. What is it that you think I don't understand? Still not weighing in on separating children from asylum seekers? That I do NOT agree with. I'm looking into that some more as it makes no sense to me. Care to weigh in on expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children?
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Post by redhead32 on May 27, 2018 4:43:28 GMT
Still not weighing in on separating children from asylum seekers? That I do NOT agree with. I'm looking into that some more as it makes no sense to me. Care to weigh in on expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? I think desperate people do desperate things. People trying to escape violence or civil war or other things I can’t even imagine are risking it all to try to find a better life. You know. Much like all of our anscestors did. We need immigration reform, and we need compassion and empathy. Ripping apart families is inhumane and disgusting, especially from the “pro-life” party. It’s a false analogy to compare the ICE policy to our criminal justice system. I’ve yet to see a bus outfitted with car seats waiting at the county courthouse to remove children from people sentenced to prison.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:47:46 GMT
That I do NOT agree with. I'm looking into that some more as it makes no sense to me. Care to weigh in on expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? I think desperate people do desperate things. People trying to escape violence or civil war or other things I can’t even imagine are risking it all to try to find a better life. You know. Much like all of our anscestors did. We need immigration reform, and we need compassion and empathy. Ripping apart families is inhumane and disgusting, especially from the “pro-life” party. It’s a false analogy to compare the ICE policy to our criminal justice system. I’ve yet to see a bus outfitted with car seats waiting at the county courthouse to remove children from people sentenced to prison. It's really not. Separating children from their families is still separating children from their families, no matter what mode of transportation is used.
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Post by redhead32 on May 27, 2018 4:59:10 GMT
I think desperate people do desperate things. People trying to escape violence or civil war or other things I can’t even imagine are risking it all to try to find a better life. You know. Much like all of our anscestors did. We need immigration reform, and we need compassion and empathy. Ripping apart families is inhumane and disgusting, especially from the “pro-life” party. It’s a false analogy to compare the ICE policy to our criminal justice system. I’ve yet to see a bus outfitted with car seats waiting at the county courthouse to remove children from people sentenced to prison. It's really not. Separating children from their families is still separating children from their families, no matter what mode of transportation is used. Where do you live that the federal govt is ripping 2 year olds out of the arms of mothers and fathers? In the criminal justice system, there has been a trial and a conviction before someone goes to prison. Even then, the children are not taken and warehoused.
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Post by ntsf on May 27, 2018 5:13:51 GMT
the problems uncovered when obama was president meant that they changed the procedures and tightened the rules as to where the children were placed.. and they worked to keep families together.
trump doesn't give a shit about the kids.. and I'm sorry.. if you take control of a child, you are responsible for that child . Full stop.
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Post by lucyg on May 27, 2018 6:40:43 GMT
The Hon. John Kelly himself says taking away asylum-seekers' children is supposed to serve as a "deterrent" to keep them from seeking asylum here in the first place. Oh, how low we have sunk with this administration. No fake news required to see that. Business Insider
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 6:59:51 GMT
The Hon. John Kelly himself says taking away asylum-seekers' children is supposed to serve as a "deterrent" to keep them from seeking asylum here in the first place. Oh, how low we have sunk with this administration. No fake news required to see that. Business InsiderDon't make it sound like he's advocating that people who apply for legal asylum are having their children taken away. He said the policy would act as a strong deterrent for families seeking to cross the US border illegally.
Don't want to be separated from your children? Don't break the law. Now that they know what will happen if they come here illegally, if they do it anyway, that is the choice they made and the chance they were willing to take. With their own children.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 7:21:24 GMT
What is amazing is your lack of understanding. Enlighten me. What is it that you think I don't understand? Waste of time. Really it is.
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Post by lucyg on May 27, 2018 7:32:59 GMT
The Hon. John Kelly himself says taking away asylum-seekers' children is supposed to serve as a "deterrent" to keep them from seeking asylum here in the first place. Oh, how low we have sunk with this administration. No fake news required to see that. Business InsiderDon't make it sound like he's advocating that people who apply for legal asylum are having their children taken away. He said the policy would act as a strong deterrent for families seeking to cross the US border illegally.
Don't want to be separated from your children? Don't break the law. Now that they know what will happen if they come here illegally, if they do it anyway, that is the choice they made and the chance they were willing to take. With their own children. Really? They're taking children away from asylum seekers who present themselves seeking refuge. It's against international law, but these bigots don't care. All they see is Mexicans with babies trying to enter this country. Did you hear what John Kelly said when asked how many refugees ... not "illegal immigrants," but people legally seeking entry into our country to escape war, famine, brutality ... he would allow in per year? ZERO. ETA NYT story on KellyAfter this country was built by people who came here from all over the world, seeking a better life. Including his own family. Contemptible.
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Post by jayfab on May 27, 2018 12:42:03 GMT
That I do NOT agree with. I'm looking into that some more as it makes no sense to me. Care to weigh in on expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? I think desperate people do desperate things. People trying to escape violence or civil war or other things I can’t even imagine are risking it all to try to find a better life. You know. Much like all of our anscestors did. We need immigration reform, and we need compassion and empathy. Ripping apart families is inhumane and disgusting, especially from the “pro-life” party.
It’s a false analogy to compare the ICE policy to our criminal justice system. I’ve yet to see a bus outfitted with car seats waiting at the county courthouse to remove children from people sentenced to prison. I would like to like this x a million. I weep for what is happening to our country.
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Post by Merge on May 27, 2018 12:52:30 GMT
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Post by Merge on May 27, 2018 12:56:46 GMT
www.rawstory.com/2018/05/israeli-psych-ops-firm-diagrammed-dirty-trump-tricks-powerpoint-presentation-mueller-copy/But the folks who were duped will never understand or admit that they were duped ... and this will keep happening. ETA: We're being encouraged on another thread to put a candidate on the ballot in 2020 that moderates can vote for. To which I say, what happens when the foreign spin machine starts up again, to convince moderates and/or half the Democrats that the candidate is eeeeeeeevil and they can't possibly vote for him/her? As long as the American public is so easily manipulated, we could run Mother Theresa and they'd come to see her as a lying, murdering whore.
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Post by Merge on May 27, 2018 13:05:50 GMT
It’s Memorial Day weekend. But Trump is tweeting this:
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 27, 2018 13:07:14 GMT
People people people—why engage? ? Remember only HER interpretation is correct. Only HER sets of “facts” are the only ones to be believed. Remember SHE doesn’t support trump (yeah right). Remember that SHE DOES EXACTLY what trump does, blame Hillary and Obama. Remember, SHE twists stories to try to make her points sound more factual—just today with Elián González—trying to equate trump admin separating families and those seeking asylum with a custody battle (Elián traveled to US with mom & her bf who drowned, Elián was placed (by US authorities ) with his paternal relatives, and then his father in Cuba demanded custody (which was given) the relatives did not want to comply, so unfortunately he was taken by armed officials. But it certainly wasn’t the bullshit lies that she posted elsewhere today. She LIES AND SPINS like trump. You KNOW she will turn anything you state into the same echo chamber liberals bad, wrong, stupid, and continue to post the rhetoric and regurgitate nasty posts. SO WHY ENGAGE!! 😆
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Post by suzastampin on May 27, 2018 13:20:34 GMT
Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? Apples and oranges. People who break the law can find someone they know, or their spouse, to take care if the children while they are incarcerated. Asylum seekers are being separated from their children and the government is losing those children.
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Post by Skellinton on May 27, 2018 13:26:02 GMT
It’s Memorial Day weekend. But Trump is tweeting this: I know that Trump is an idiot of the first order and he is all about distract and deflect, but who exactly has been destroyed by the Russia investigation? Does his idiocy know no bounds? (No need to answer, cLeary it doesn’t)
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