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Post by lucyg on May 29, 2018 4:44:48 GMT
linkCalifornia 's homeless population has skyrocketed and it's the third highest in the nation. link"Guess who controls every branch of government? Democrats" Homeless come to California from all over the country for a combination of mild weather and generous social services. You are shouting into a pathetic right-wing echo chamber.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 4:49:47 GMT
linkCalifornia 's homeless population has skyrocketed and it's the third highest in the nation. link"Guess who controls every branch of government? Democrats" Homeless come to California from all over the country for a combination of mild weather and generous social services. You are shouting into a pathetic right-wing echo chamber. As if homelessness isn't chronic in most large cities thanks to vast income inequality in the US. She can try but she can't fight the 5th (maybe 4th sometimes) largest economy IN THE WORLD.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 29, 2018 4:52:15 GMT
People people people—why engage? ? Remember only HER interpretation is correct. Only HER sets of “facts” are the only ones to be believed. Remember SHE doesn’t support trump (yeah right). Remember that SHE DOES EXACTLY what trump does, blame Hillary and Obama. Remember, SHE twists stories to try to make her points sound more factual—just today with Elián González—trying to equate trump admin separating families and those seeking asylum with a custody battle (Elián traveled to US with mom & her bf who drowned, Elián was placed (by US authorities ) with his paternal relatives, and then his father in Cuba demanded custody (which was given) the relatives did not want to comply, so unfortunately he was taken by armed officials. But it certainly wasn’t the bullshit lies that she posted elsewhere today. She LIES AND SPINS like trump. You KNOW she will turn anything you state into the same echo chamber liberals bad, wrong, stupid, and continue to post the rhetoric and regurgitate nasty posts. SO WHY ENGAGE!! 😆 In response to: However, I can guarantee that children of families seeking political asylum, many under 2 years old, would not be ripped from their mother's arms by ICE at the border and relocated alone to distant cities under Hilary Clinton. This is not how Americans act, this is not what Americans believe. I said: No, they'd just have a gun pointed at them and terrorize them under a Clinton. Nothing I said was a lie, denial or spin. Not. one. single. thing.The only denial and spin going on there is "your side" trying to pretend the terrorizing of children only happens under Trump. Also the releasing of asylum seeking children to human traffickers was made to look like it happened under Trump (by "your side") as opposed to it actually happening under Obama. Not to mention you, specifically trying to make it look like I'm the one lying and spinning. There it is right up there for all to see the one spinning in this case is YOU trying so desperately to discredit facts you don't like. You are SO completely transparent. Facts I don’t like? You mean your alternative facts or your opinion? Like your totally bullshit posting (comparison) on Elián? Where you tried to make it look worse than trump admin separating children from parents? Yep, I’ll speak up when you lie and twist facts and provide what actually happened (the real facts). The difference between me and you is that I don’t have to twist shit or try to fit square pegs in round holes to make a point like you do, or as often as you do. You are Queen of misinformation = FACT.
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Post by bc2ca on May 29, 2018 4:59:13 GMT
I'd hold Elian Gonzalez' family members responsible for that poor kid being taken under traumatic conditions. He was rightfully returned to his father and I'm not sure how you compare that to immigrants being separated from their children at the border.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 5:23:57 GMT
Homeless come to California from all over the country for a combination of mild weather and generous social services. You are shouting into a pathetic right-wing echo chamber. As if homelessness isn't chronic in most large cities thanks to vast income inequality in the US. She can try but she can't fight the 5th (maybe 4th sometimes) largest economy IN THE WORLD. There are a lot of reasons people are homeless and not all have to do with “vast income inequality”.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 5:25:05 GMT
It will be interesting if this turns out to be true. If it’s true I wonder how trump’s ego will handle it.
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Post by lucyg on May 29, 2018 5:51:20 GMT
It will be interesting if this turns out to be true. If it’s true I wonder how trump’s ego will handle it. I still want to know exactly what she was in the hospital for, for almost a week. Not that I think I'm entitled to the information. Just curious.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 5:55:40 GMT
"according to an administration official" And he's saying he didn't say it. He also claimed that Rep. Fredericka Wilson bragged about talking Pres. Obama out of $20 million for some building or another. He called her an "empty barrel" and claimed he was " stunned" by what she said. Trouble is, it turned out there's video of that very event and she said nothing of the kind. And yet, he still hasn't apologized to Rep. Wilson or retracted his very negative slurs against her. So yeah, I'm not taking his word for anything. He has proven himself a bigot and a liar twelve ways to Sunday, by his own words and actions. The point of what he said was she "stood up there and all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting... and we were stunned. Stunned that she had done it." He may have gotten the subject wrong on what she was bragging on herself about, but she certainly did brag on herself during the FBI speech. So if he owes her an apology it would be for getting the subject of her bragging wrong, but that certainly doesn't take away the fact that she was bragging on herself for being instrumental in getting the building dedicated and named. Misremembering the subject of her bragging isn't lying.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 6:01:37 GMT
I'd hold Elian Gonzalez' family members responsible for that poor kid being taken under traumatic conditions. He was rightfully returned to his father and I'm not sure how you compare that to immigrants being separated from their children at the border. The claim was "children would not be ripped from their mothers arms under Clinton". I said under Clinton they were terrorized with a gun pointed on them. I'm not sure how you DON'T see those as comparable terrors to a child.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 6:05:17 GMT
It will be interesting if this turns out to be true. If it’s true I wonder how trump’s ego will handle it. I still want to know exactly what she was in the hospital for, for almost a week. Not that I think I'm entitled to the information. Just curious. You are right it’s none of our business but I wondered that as well because hospitals usually push you out the door almost as soon as your eyes open after the procedure.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 6:05:33 GMT
As if homelessness isn't chronic in most large cities thanks to vast income inequality in the US. She can try but she can't fight the 5th (maybe 4th sometimes) largest economy IN THE WORLD. There are a lot of reasons people are homeless and not all have to do with “vast income inequality”. It sits behind and underneath many of those other reasons. It is the base reason. Society could do much more to help those who need help. To end the cycles of ignorance, emotional ignorance and resulting poverty. Society chooses not to.
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Post by lucyg on May 29, 2018 6:07:04 GMT
He also claimed that Rep. Fredericka Wilson bragged about talking Pres. Obama out of $20 million for some building or another. He called her an "empty barrel" and claimed he was " stunned" by what she said. Trouble is, it turned out there's video of that very event and she said nothing of the kind. And yet, he still hasn't apologized to Rep. Wilson or retracted his very negative slurs against her. So yeah, I'm not taking his word for anything. He has proven himself a bigot and a liar twelve ways to Sunday, by his own words and actions. The point of what he said was she "stood up there and all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting... and we were stunned. Stunned that she had done it." He may have gotten the subject wrong on what she was bragging on herself about, but she certainly did brag on herself during the FBI speech. So if he owes her an apology it would be for getting the subject of her bragging wrong, but that certainly doesn't take away the fact that she was bragging on herself for being instrumental in getting the building dedicated and named. Misremembering the subject of her bragging isn't lying. I already watched that entire video. She was most certainly not bragging about herself in any way. She was talking about the group effort involved in getting the job done. There was nothing to make Kelly so angry, and considering he works for a man who brags and lies an astonishing amount every. single. day. ... he really would have no reason to be so offended by the congresswoman, anyway. Oh. Unless ...
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 6:11:04 GMT
The point of what he said was she "stood up there and all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting... and we were stunned. Stunned that she had done it." He may have gotten the subject wrong on what she was bragging on herself about, but she certainly did brag on herself during the FBI speech. So if he owes her an apology it would be for getting the subject of her bragging wrong, but that certainly doesn't take away the fact that she was bragging on herself for being instrumental in getting the building dedicated and named. Misremembering the subject of her bragging isn't lying. I already watched that entire video. She was most certainly not bragging about herself in any way. She was talking about the group effort involved in getting the job done. There was nothing to make Kelly so angry, and considering he works for a man who brags and lies an astonishing amount every. single. day. ... he really would have no reason to be so offended by the congresswoman, anyway. Oh. Unless ... Oh, please DO finish that thought.
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Post by lucyg on May 29, 2018 6:13:01 GMT
I already watched that entire video. She was most certainly not bragging about herself in any way. She was talking about the group effort involved in getting the job done. There was nothing to make Kelly so angry, and considering he works for a man who brags and lies an astonishing amount every. single. day. ... he really would have no reason to be so offended by the congresswoman, anyway. Oh. Unless ... Oh, please DO finish that thought. There's no secret about what I think. I said it out loud upthread. General Kelly is a bigot and a liar. He fits in very well with the rest of this administration.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 6:22:44 GMT
Oh, please DO finish that thought. There's no secret about what I think. I said it out loud upthread. General Kelly is a bigot and a liar. He fits in very well with the rest of this administration. Based on the previous definitions/examples of racism, lying, bigotry and violence (and that includes yours), your labels are unreliable anymore. If they ever were.
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Post by lucyg on May 29, 2018 6:29:56 GMT
There's no secret about what I think. I said it out loud upthread. General Kelly is a bigot and a liar. He fits in very well with the rest of this administration. Based on the previous definitions/examples of racism, lying, bigotry and violence (and that includes yours), your labels are unreliable anymore. If they ever were. Thanks. I will give your opinion as much heed as I ever do.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 29, 2018 10:37:10 GMT
I'd hold Elian Gonzalez' family members responsible for that poor kid being taken under traumatic conditions. He was rightfully returned to his father and I'm not sure how you compare that to immigrants being separated from their children at the border. The claim was "children would not be ripped from their mothers arms under Clinton". I said under Clinton they were terrorized with a gun pointed on them. I'm not sure how you DON'T see those as comparable terrors to a child. Not the same sweetie, and YOU know that but you’ll spin whatever you can. Elián was a custody battle between relatives in the US and his father in Cuba and they went in armed because of the info they had that a family member holding Elián May have had guns, and there were crowds of protestors outside—the comparison you are making is in no way remotely close to children being separated from their parents at border entry. Just another one of your massive spins and lies. As usual. Your spinning and storytelling here is unbelievable and once again your spreading of misinformation is dangerous and nothing more that deflection. But I’m sure you’ll go whine and claim that the big, bad meanie liberals are keeping you down because you post info that they don’t like. Well—start posting the actual truth instead of your crazy spins on it and maybe people won’t have to keep correcting you. It’s amazing the lengths of spins, lies, twisting of events, and deflections that you’ll go through just because you hate HRC (by the way, she’s not in office), liberals, and to support someone you claim you don’t support. (Ummm, okay 🙄 )
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Post by imsirius on May 29, 2018 11:36:34 GMT
New thread guys..just sayin...😝😁😲😂
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 29, 2018 14:05:36 GMT
I'd hold Elian Gonzalez' family members responsible for that poor kid being taken under traumatic conditions. He was rightfully returned to his father and I'm not sure how you compare that to immigrants being separated from their children at the border. Absolutly 100% correct!
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Post by femalebusiness on May 29, 2018 16:53:26 GMT
New thread guys..just sayin...😝😁😲😂 Shhhh, don't tell Gia. Maybe she'll stay here with her bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 18:00:03 GMT
The claim was "children would not be ripped from their mothers arms under Clinton". I said under Clinton they were terrorized with a gun pointed on them. I'm not sure how you DON'T see those as comparable terrors to a child. Not the same sweetie, and YOU know that but you’ll spin whatever you can. Elián was a custody battle between relatives in the US and his father in Cuba and they went in armed because of the info they had that a family member holding Elián May have had guns, and there were crowds of protestors outside—the comparison you are making is in no way remotely close to children being separated from their parents at border entry. Just another one of your massive spins and lies. As usual. Your spinning and storytelling here is unbelievable and once again your spreading of misinformation is dangerous and nothing more that deflection. But I’m sure you’ll go whine and claim that the big, bad meanie liberals are keeping you down because you post info that they don’t like. Well—start posting the actual truth instead of your crazy spins on it and maybe people won’t have to keep correcting you. It’s amazing the lengths of spins, lies, twisting of events, and deflections that you’ll go through just because you hate HRC (by the way, she’s not in office), liberals, and to support someone you claim you don’t support. (Ummm, okay 🙄 ) You can make all the excuses, justifications and defend it all you want for WHY the child was being terrorized and had a gun pointed at him. Asinine to make excuses and defend pointing a gun at a child, but you go right ahead. Do it until your head explodes for all I care, but you're arguing a point that isn't being made. The point is WHAT no other administration would do to terrorize a child. Not the HOW and WHY. Clearly terrorizing children is not something that would only happen under Trump.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 21:07:18 GMT
That I do NOT agree with. I'm looking into that some more as it makes no sense to me. Care to weigh in on expecting people to follow the law? Do you have the same reaction to other people who break the law and have to go to jail and be separated from THEIR children? I think desperate people do desperate things. People trying to escape violence or civil war or other things I can’t even imagine are risking it all to try to find a better life. You know. Much like all of our anscestors did. We need immigration reform, and we need compassion and empathy. Ripping apart families is inhumane and disgusting, especially from the “pro-life” party. It’s a false analogy to compare the ICE policy to our criminal justice system. I’ve yet to see a bus outfitted with car seats waiting at the county courthouse to remove children from people sentenced to prison. I've looked more into separating families and it doesn't come from Trump. It's the Flores settlement agreement that originated under Bill Clinton done in 1997. Trump was not president then, so that's probably why he's blaming the democrats. By law all UNACCOMPANIED minors must be remanded out of custody to someone else (presumably a relative or foster care) must happen within 20 days. It's been the law for the last 20 years or so. In 2008 and reinstated again in 2016 (under Obama) the 9th circuit court of appeals ruled by Judge Andrew Hurwitz ruled the 1997 ruling now also applied to ACCOMPANIED minors. Again more than likely why Trump is blaming Democrats. And the pictures of kids in cages that everyone is attributing to Trump are from when Obama was president. Now I think Trump, as president, could probably do something about it, but I think like the other administrations before him, he's using it as a deterrent for crossing illegally.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 29, 2018 21:36:41 GMT
Not the same sweetie, and YOU know that but you’ll spin whatever you can. Elián was a custody battle between relatives in the US and his father in Cuba and they went in armed because of the info they had that a family member holding Elián May have had guns, and there were crowds of protestors outside—the comparison you are making is in no way remotely close to children being separated from their parents at border entry. Just another one of your massive spins and lies. As usual. Your spinning and storytelling here is unbelievable and once again your spreading of misinformation is dangerous and nothing more that deflection. But I’m sure you’ll go whine and claim that the big, bad meanie liberals are keeping you down because you post info that they don’t like. Well—start posting the actual truth instead of your crazy spins on it and maybe people won’t have to keep correcting you. It’s amazing the lengths of spins, lies, twisting of events, and deflections that you’ll go through just because you hate HRC (by the way, she’s not in office), liberals, and to support someone you claim you don’t support. (Ummm, okay 🙄 ) You can make all the excuses, justifications and defend it all you want for WHY the child was being terrorized and had a gun pointed at him. Asinine to make excuses and defend pointing a gun at a child, but you go right ahead. Do it until your head explodes for all I care, but you're arguing a point that isn't being made. The point is WHAT no other administration would do to terrorize a child. Not the HOW and WHY. Clearly terrorizing children is not something that would only happen under Trump. Nope. Nice try at spinning again. The point was exactly that, and you once again, attempted the bait and switch to try to make your lame ass argument. Same as always. Your MO is to change the conversation, to meet your so called "support". I did not make "excuses, justifications, or defend..." as you state, I simply stated exactly the FACTUAL account of what happened. You should try it sometime.
And not once, did I EVER defend anyone pointing a gun at a child. You are a liar for even posting that bullshit. Like I said before, there are absolutely no lengths that you will go to in order to try to gaslight and change the narrative, just to fit your set of alternative "facts".
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 22:25:23 GMT
You can make all the excuses, justifications and defend it all you want for WHY the child was being terrorized and had a gun pointed at him. Asinine to make excuses and defend pointing a gun at a child, but you go right ahead. Do it until your head explodes for all I care, but you're arguing a point that isn't being made. The point is WHAT no other administration would do to terrorize a child. Not the HOW and WHY. Clearly terrorizing children is not something that would only happen under Trump. Nope. Nice try at spinning again. The point was exactly that, and you once again, attempted the bait and switch to try to make your lame ass argument. Same as always. Your MO is to change the conversation, to meet your so called "support". I did not make "excuses, justifications, or defend..." as you state, I simply stated exactly the FACTUAL account of what happened. You should try it sometime.
And not once, did I EVER defend anyone pointing a gun at a child. You are a liar for even posting that bullshit. Like I said before, there are absolutely no lengths that you will go to in order to try to gaslight and change the narrative, just to fit your set of alternative "facts". Oh, I forgot. When I do that it's defending/supporting/making excuses for Trump. When YOU do that it's NOT supporting/defending/making excuses for pointing a gun at a child. The rules are only applied to one side, not you. How silly of me, I forgot the double standard.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 29, 2018 22:28:18 GMT
Nope. Nice try at spinning again. The point was exactly that, and you once again, attempted the bait and switch to try to make your lame ass argument. Same as always. Your MO is to change the conversation, to meet your so called "support". I did not make "excuses, justifications, or defend..." as you state, I simply stated exactly the FACTUAL account of what happened. You should try it sometime.
And not once, did I EVER defend anyone pointing a gun at a child. You are a liar for even posting that bullshit. Like I said before, there are absolutely no lengths that you will go to in order to try to gaslight and change the narrative, just to fit your set of alternative "facts". Oh, I forgot. When I do that it's defending/supporting/making excuses for Trump. When YOU do that it's NOT supporting/defending/making excuses for pointing a gun at a child. The rules are only applied to one side, not you. How silly of me, I forgot the double standard. Nope, not having it. Once again, you twist and lie. I’ve clearly NOT said any such thing that you attributed to me—you lied, plain and simple.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 30, 2018 0:23:50 GMT
Trump DID do something about it—
This is NEW policy, directly from trump started in May (and NOT from previous administrations).
“In early May, the Trump administration announced it would start enacting a "100% prosecution" policy at the border, which would refer anyone crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution. This policy functionally separates children from their families, because children cannot accompany adults who are taken into federal custody. Because of the attention surrounding this new policy, people revisited a claim made by Steven Wagner, a top official with the Department of Health and Human Services, during a hearing in April. During that hearing, Wagner said the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) was "unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC (unaccompanied alien children)."
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 0:34:14 GMT
Trump DID do something about it— This is NEW policy, directly from trump started in May (and NOT from previous administrations). “In early May, the Trump administration announced it would start enacting a "100% prosecution" policy at the border, which would refer anyone crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution. This policy functionally separates children from their families, because children cannot accompany adults who are taken into federal custody. Because of the attention surrounding this new policy, people revisited a claim made by Steven Wagner, a top official with the Department of Health and Human Services, during a hearing in April. During that hearing, Wagner said the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) was "unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC (unaccompanied alien children)." The 100% prosecution policy may have started with Trump, but the separating families (which is what everyone keeps asking me about, not prosecution percentages) separating families most certainly DID start with Clinton and was reinstated with harsher measures under Obama. So, way to move the goal posts just to be "right". Isn't that what everyone used to bash MrsTyler for? Being a right fighter?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 30, 2018 2:01:12 GMT
Trump DID do something about it— This is NEW policy, directly from trump started in May (and NOT from previous administrations). “In early May, the Trump administration announced it would start enacting a "100% prosecution" policy at the border, which would refer anyone crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution. This policy functionally separates children from their families, because children cannot accompany adults who are taken into federal custody. Because of the attention surrounding this new policy, people revisited a claim made by Steven Wagner, a top official with the Department of Health and Human Services, during a hearing in April. During that hearing, Wagner said the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) was "unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC (unaccompanied alien children)." The 100% prosecution policy may have started with Trump, but the separating families (which is what everyone keeps asking me about, not prosecution percentages) separating families most certainly DID start with Clinton and was reinstated with harsher measures under Obama. So, way to move the goal posts just to be "right". Isn't that what everyone used to bash MrsTyler for? Being a right fighter? Once again, you’re the one moving the goal posts sweetie. I did not. I commented specifically on the statement that “trump could probably do something about it...”. (I even started my post with that) I just posted what he did actually do. You’re the one going way back to try to prove everything was worse with a Clinton & an Obama, just try to to claim you’re “right”. You’ve been the on here on this thread trying to diminish anything anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinions. I just provided the fact of what trump did do.
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Post by PLurker on May 30, 2018 2:27:50 GMT
People people people—why engage? ? Remember only HER interpretation is correct. Only HER sets of “facts” are the only ones to be believed. Remember SHE doesn’t support trump (yeah right). Remember that SHE DOES EXACTLY what trump does, blame Hillary and Obama. Remember, SHE twists stories to try to make her points sound more factual—just today with Elián González—trying to equate trump admin separating families and those seeking asylum with a custody battle (Elián traveled to US with mom & her bf who drowned, Elián was placed (by US authorities ) with his paternal relatives, and then his father in Cuba demanded custody (which was given) the relatives did not want to comply, so unfortunately he was taken by armed officials. But it certainly wasn’t the bullshit lies that she posted elsewhere today. She LIES AND SPINS like trump. You KNOW she will turn anything you state into the same echo chamber liberals bad, wrong, stupid, and continue to post the rhetoric and regurgitate nasty posts. SO WHY ENGAGE!! 😆
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