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Post by scrappinspidey2 on May 9, 2018 2:34:41 GMT
Please forgive typos as I am on my iPad. On Monday I had a surprise adventure when I kinda got lost in TN and wound up at Carnton Plantation in Franklin, TN. I got there just in time to get in on the tour of the house and had only about 40 min to check out the rest of the grounds including the cemetery for the confederate soldiers. A truly fascinating experience I will say. They would not allow photos in the main house. Something that made me twitch cause man do I want to share what I saw!!! Apparently there are 2 other similar plantations in the area. The history and the story were enthralling. We had a very good tour guide. I’ve never been into the civil war. WWII is more my thing, mostly the medical stuff. This house in TN was used as a hospital since the war dropped in their front lawn literally. Am I getting sucked in? I can’t stop thinking about it. I want to go back and stay a few days and see all of it and the other two. The lady in the gift shop said she was so moved by her first visit that she moved there and works with the group that preserves the plantation and the history. I totally understand where she is coming from. I love the area too. It’s going to sound like I’m losing my mind but I felt peaceful there. I was born in TN but haven’t lived there since I was 2. I went down for 36 hours to attend a concert and found this. I’ve already checked houses (ouch) and scoping out the hospital; 🤣🤣maybe I am losing my brain.
Anyway the the point I think was to see if other peas knew of this place, convince me I’m not (or maybe I will) going to end up in a re-enactment at some point lol.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 9, 2018 3:10:42 GMT
Please forgive typos as I am on my iPad. On Monday I had a surprise adventure when I kinda got lost in TN and wound up at Carnton Plantation in Franklin, TN. I got there just in time to get in on the tour of the house and had only about 40 min to check out the rest of the grounds including the cemetery for the confederate soldiers. A truly fascinating experience I will say. They would not allow photos in the main house. Something that made me twitch cause man do I want to share what I saw!!! Apparently there are 2 other similar plantations in the area. The history and the story were enthralling. We had a very good tour guide. I’ve never been into the civil war. WWII is more my thing, mostly the medical stuff. This house in TN was used as a hospital since the war dropped in their front lawn literally. Am I getting sucked in? I can’t stop thinking about it. I want to go back and stay a few days and see all of it and the other two. The lady in the gift shop said she was so moved by her first visit that she moved there and works with the group that preserves the plantation and the history. I totally understand where she is coming from. I love the area too. It’s going to sound like I’m losing my mind but I felt peaceful there. I was born in TN but haven’t lived there since I was 2. I went down for 36 hours to attend a concert and found this. I’ve already checked houses (ouch) and scoping out the hospital; 🤣🤣maybe I am losing my brain. Anyway the the point I think was to see if other peas knew of this place, convince me I’m not (or maybe I will) going to end up in a re-enactment at some point lol. Well, considering this is the post I wrote when you asked about what to do in Nashville... AmeliaBloomer said: ...yes, I actually DO know what you’re talking about. LOL. Truth be told, it’s my husband and son who are Civil War buffs, not me, but like you I thought the Franklin Civil War sites were surprisingly evocative. But then we journeyed to Murfreesboro and drove through a battlefield. Battlefields are boooooring. So, if you want to cure your new urges, go drive through an empty battlefield 150 years after the event.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on May 9, 2018 3:13:58 GMT
Please forgive typos as I am on my iPad. On Monday I had a surprise adventure when I kinda got lost in TN and wound up at Carnton Plantation in Franklin, TN. I got there just in time to get in on the tour of the house and had only about 40 min to check out the rest of the grounds including the cemetery for the confederate soldiers. A truly fascinating experience I will say. They would not allow photos in the main house. Something that made me twitch cause man do I want to share what I saw!!! Apparently there are 2 other similar plantations in the area. The history and the story were enthralling. We had a very good tour guide. I’ve never been into the civil war. WWII is more my thing, mostly the medical stuff. This house in TN was used as a hospital since the war dropped in their front lawn literally. Am I getting sucked in? I can’t stop thinking about it. I want to go back and stay a few days and see all of it and the other two. The lady in the gift shop said she was so moved by her first visit that she moved there and works with the group that preserves the plantation and the history. I totally understand where she is coming from. I love the area too. It’s going to sound like I’m losing my mind but I felt peaceful there. I was born in TN but haven’t lived there since I was 2. I went down for 36 hours to attend a concert and found this. I’ve already checked houses (ouch) and scoping out the hospital; 🤣🤣maybe I am losing my brain. Anyway the the point I think was to see if other peas knew of this place, convince me I’m not (or maybe I will) going to end up in a re-enactment at some point lol. Well, considering this is the post I wrote when you asked about what to do in Nashville... AmeliaBloomer said: ...yes, I actually DO know what you’re talking about. LOL. Truth be told, it’s my husband and son who are Civil War buffs, not me, but like you I thought the Franklin Civil War sites were surprisingly evocative. But then we journeyed to Murfreesboro and drove through a battlefield. Battlefields are boooooring. So, if you want to cure your new urges, go drive through a battlefield. Hahahahahahahahaha I will blame you for putting it in my subconscious then  I actually got there because of a quilt store but didn’t remember the recommendation when I was there. I was literally just driving around checking out the town and then followed the signs. I only had a backpack or I would have been stuck in several of the antique shops I found too 😁😁
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Post by hutchfan on May 9, 2018 3:23:13 GMT
I went there in 2015 on my vacation it was a stop on our trip to Nashville and my husband and I just missed the house tour but got to walk the grounds and visit the cemetary. I will be going back in the future. I love to visit Historical sites. Gettysburg being my favorite and I find the Battlefields fascinating. They are somber, sad and yet beautiful at the same time.
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Post by hutchfan on May 9, 2018 3:25:25 GMT
Wanted add the gift shop at Carnton Plantation had some good books about the Civil War and the local bookstore in Franklin was one of my favorite stores!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 9, 2018 3:29:01 GMT
Well, considering this is the post I wrote when you asked about what to do in Nashville... AmeliaBloomer said: ...yes, I actually DO know what you’re talking about. LOL. Truth be told, it’s my husband and son who are Civil War buffs, not me, but like you I thought the Franklin Civil War sites were surprisingly evocative. But then we journeyed to Murfreesboro and drove through a battlefield. Battlefields are boooooring. So, if you want to cure your new urges, go drive through a battlefield. Hahahahahahahahaha I will blame you for putting it in my subconscious then  I actually got there because of a quilt store but didn’t remember the recommendation when I was there. I was literally just driving around checking out the town and then followed the signs. I only had a backpack or I would have been stuck in several of the antique shops I found too 😁😁 Plus, there’s always the chance of a close encounter of the Nicole Kidman kind. (Do she and and Whatshisface, her husband, still live in Franklin?)
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Post by lucyg on May 9, 2018 3:30:07 GMT
If you haven't seen it or don't remember it, try to find the PBS/Ken Burns Civil War series. It is amazing. It changed the world of documentary filmmaking and it may change how you view the Civil War. Also, a warning, it might make you want to marry (the late) Civil War historian Shelby Foote.  I have the series on DVD and still watch it from time to time.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 9, 2018 3:33:49 GMT
If you haven't seen it or don't remember it, try to find the PBS/Ken Burns Civil War series. It is amazing. It changed the world of documentary filmmaking and it may change how you view the Civil War. Also, a warning, it might make you want to marry (the late) Civil War historian Shelby Foote.  I have the series on DVD and still watch it from time to time. I will never tire of the soldier letters read aloud in that series. Ain’t nobody writing like that no more.
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Post by lucyg on May 9, 2018 3:36:46 GMT
If you haven't seen it or don't remember it, try to find the PBS/Ken Burns Civil War series. It is amazing. It changed the world of documentary filmmaking and it may change how you view the Civil War. Also, a warning, it might make you want to marry (the late) Civil War historian Shelby Foote.  I have the series on DVD and still watch it from time to time. I will never tire of the soldier letters read aloud in that series. Ain’t nobody writing like that no more. YES! OMG. I also love the reading of the Gettysburg Address at the end of whichever episode it is. Breaks my heart/uplifts me at the same time. And Shelby Foote. hubba hubba
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on May 9, 2018 3:39:58 GMT
I’m getting sucked in aren’t I???  
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 9, 2018 3:48:11 GMT
scrappinspidey2 : Actually, speaking of Nicole Kidman, she’s in two good Civil War movies - Cold Mountain and Beguiled. Cold Mountain is a good read, too - if you can survive all the interminable nature descriptions. lucyg : A young Shelby. With pipe even then.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 9, 2018 3:57:00 GMT
I’m getting sucked in aren’t I???   Turns out you’re in luck. Nicole’s Franklin house is for sale. For a mere 3.4 million dollars.
Union dollars. None’a that rebel funny money.
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Post by lucyg on May 9, 2018 4:17:19 GMT
scrappinspidey2: Actually, speaking of Nicole Kidman, she’s in two good Civil War movies - Cold Mountain and Beguiled. Cold Mountain is a good read, too - if you can survive all the interminable nature descriptions. lucyg: A young Shelby. With pipe even then.  Oh, my word. But actually, I liked him old. That voice.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 4:34:33 GMT
I not only grew up in a revolutionary war town (well kind of) but next to the worst union prison camp of the civil war.
All of it is oh so boring, but the people there still talk of it and the flood of 1972.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 9, 2018 5:26:18 GMT
I totally understand where she is coming from. I love the area too. It’s going to sound like I’m losing my mind but I felt peaceful there. Man, do I love Tennessee! As in adding miles and hours to an already long trip between TX & DE on at least one leg of countless round trip journeys just to spend more time in TN. I feel a different kind of peace there as well. (Along the Blue Ridge.) Apparently, so did a great many of my ancestors' descendants as a great many of these distant cousins moved to Tennessee way back before the Civil War. You know, I'm not sure you can even begin to understand the Civil War at all until you really spend time in both the north and the south and get an idea of the dreams that people were fighting for. The South didn't fight to enslave a particular race as an end in itself. Slavery was used as a cog in the wheel, a means to an end to create and sustain a thriving agriculturally based society. Maybe that's why it was possible to salvage a union between the North and the South when the fighting was done and slaves were emancipated? Time to shift gears, so to speak? IDK. I can't truly wrap my head around justifying slavery on any level. I'm a damn Yankee through and through and damned proud to be one! It is only with great determination that I force myself to dig in to the history of particular confederate soldiers and/or slave owners and their families, but I don't think the day will come when it doesn't make me cringe all the same. I've never been to that plantation, but I have been to others. They do tend to suck you in. You kinda love them and hate them at the same time; especially those that were used as battlefield hospitals. They are never again "just" a plantation dependent on the forced labor of slavery after so many men bled and died upon their grounds. If I had any close family in Tennessee right now, my difficulty in deciding what part of the country to settle in would probably have been answered a long time ago. Not sure that's the answer you want to hear!
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Post by leftturnonly on May 9, 2018 5:31:50 GMT
Battlefields are boooooring. Bloomer, you aren't doing it right! I took my kids to Gettysburg. We arrived just before twilight and ended up at a motel right on the edge of the battlefield. We went out to explore a little and to get something to eat just as the sky was darkening and the mist was beginning to rise from the ground. Nothing boring about the hairs all over your body rising! 
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Post by leftturnonly on May 9, 2018 5:42:12 GMT
I not only grew up in a revolutionary war town (well kind of) but next to the worst union prison camp of the civil war. All of it is oh so boring, but the people there still talk of it and the flood of 1972. Andersonville. (ETA - oh, wait. you said Union camp. That was a Confederate camp. I'm going to leave my rant anyway.  ) You know, I (irrationally) kinda hate that every prisoner of war camp was somehow considered better than Andersonville. Uh... really? When you are forced to share an enclosed pen with ten thousand other souls with basically no shelter, no potable water, no waste treatment, and pretty much only rodents for food and the weather is cold and wet and your compatriots are ill and dying from communicable diseases.... it's hardly a paradise in comparison. Speaking of natural disasters, not every hurricane should be compared to Katrina, damn it! We've had some other real monsters that have left a whole lot of devastation in their wake. They're given individual names never to be repeated for a reason. Getting off my soapbox now.....
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Post by leftturnonly on May 9, 2018 5:46:49 GMT
If you haven't seen it or don't remember it, try to find the PBS/Ken Burns Civil War series. It is amazing. Adding this to my bucket list right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 5:59:05 GMT
Elmira was the prison. It still is a prison town.
During ww2 there was a prison for Japanese. My mother would tell horror stories of what the guards did to those prisoners.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 6:01:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 6:06:26 GMT
I not only grew up in a revolutionary war town (well kind of) but next to the worst union prison camp of the civil war. All of it is oh so boring, but the people there still talk of it and the flood of 1972. Andersonville. (ETA - oh, wait. you said Union camp. That was a Confederate camp. I'm going to leave my rant anyway.  ) You know, I (irrationally) kinda hate that every prisoner of war camp was somehow considered better than Andersonville. Uh... really? When you are forced to share an enclosed pen with ten thousand other souls with basically no shelter, no potable water, no waste treatment, and pretty much only rodents for food and the weather is cold and wet and your compatriots are ill and dying from communicable diseases.... it's hardly a paradise in comparison. Speaking of natural disasters, not every hurricane should be compared to Katrina, damn it! We've had some other real monsters that have left a whole lot of devastation in their wake. They're given individual names never to be repeated for a reason. Getting off my soapbox now..... Elmira was worse than Andersonville. There is a story that rebel soldiers would beg to be killed than be sent to elmira.
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Post by femalebusiness on May 9, 2018 6:09:20 GMT
I knew nothing about the Civil War and didn't care to until I got into genealogy. I had many ancestors who fought and some who died in the CW. That subject now fascinates me. It was a truly horrible war.
About ten years ago I took a genealogy road trip through several states. Tennessee was one of them. We visited my great great grandfather's property just outside of Kingston. It almost felt like I had come home as strange as that sounds. We didn't get to Franklin but I have heard there are a lot of interesting things to see there. I intend to make one more trip soon and visit some of the battlefields.
And I highly recommend Ken Burns' Civil War series.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 9, 2018 6:35:33 GMT
Welcome to Fort Delaware.   Remember, there was no mosquito control back then. Talk about humid! An excerpt from Swann's --- Reminiscences of prison life at Fort Delaware by Captain John S. Swann. Another Union prison for Confederate prisoners. Hardly a paradise in comparison.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 9, 2018 6:53:08 GMT
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Post by leftturnonly on May 9, 2018 6:55:46 GMT
Oddly, people are not drawn to Delaware to see this Civil War site like they are to Franklin, TN.  
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Post by myboysnme on May 9, 2018 11:37:31 GMT
My husband and I used to be avid Civil War reenactors. That's how we met. He is a history teacher and took his reenactment stuff into school last week for the kids' lessons on the Civil War.
We had a Civil War themed wedding, Yankee, of course! Here's a photo of my dress just for general purposes. Maybe I shared it before.

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Post by tiffanyr on May 9, 2018 13:20:50 GMT
If you haven't seen it or don't remember it, try to find the PBS/Ken Burns Civil War series. It is amazing. It changed the world of documentary filmmaking and it may change how you view the Civil War. Also, a warning, it might make you want to marry (the late) Civil War historian Shelby Foote.  I have the series on DVD and still watch it from time to time. I loved that series! I cry like a baby when I hear the letters read aloud...especially this one. Sullivan Ballou Letter
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Post by PenandInk on May 9, 2018 13:39:12 GMT
My great-great grandfather fought for the north in the Civil War. My grandmother grew up listening to his stories. He fought at Gettysburg at Pickett’s Ridge, among other battles. At some point in the war, he was caught and put in Libby Prison in Richmond, VA.
He must have talked about how there were worms in the food they were served. Not uncommon, especially in humid Virginia. But my grandmother was a child, and when she heard these stories, she interpreted it as the Southerners were deliberately cooking worms for the prisoners to eat. To her dying day, if the subject came up, she would go on a rant against the south, who gave her grandfather worms to eat.
I’m sure she heard a lot of horrifying stuff that she never passed on to us, but she never got over the worms. LOL.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on May 9, 2018 13:42:18 GMT
I d0nt know that I can watch the series or the link to the letter. Ashokan farewell was requested by my MIL to be played at my husbands funeral and it haunts me to this day. It’s played 25 times in the series...thank you google for that info. I googled after hearing it start up in the letter link. I would love to see fort Delaware. I have a feeling there are some civil war sight seeing trips in my future and a lot of reading up on history
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on May 9, 2018 13:55:23 GMT
Does anyone know why they don’t allow photography inside the houses?? Yes I’m still twitching over that lol.
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