katybee
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Post by katybee on May 12, 2018 18:40:55 GMT
It’s tragic. It is. I truly feel for those who have/are going to lose their homes.
But they had to know there was a VERY HIGH probability of this, right? I mean, the Hawaiian islands are VOLCANOES. Not ancient volcanoes. Active volcanoes. It’s beautiful. I get it. But now matter how much you try to hold back nature (not that you can hold back a volcano), nature always wins.
I understand that there are SO many risks (floods, earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, wildfires, mudslides) that we are all probably at risk for something. But in some situations (like ACTIVE volcanoes)—it’s not a matter of IF, it’s a matter of WHEN.
I guess I would just never build a home near an active volcano.
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on May 12, 2018 18:46:44 GMT
I feel the same way about beach houses. sympathy that people are losing their homes, but also curious about the choices.
Actually, I feel that way more about beach homes. It is a lot easier to move 15 miles inland than it is to move off of an island. And beach stabilization is a huge pet peeve of mine.
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Post by ntsf on May 12, 2018 18:50:27 GMT
well.. most of us live in a zone of "not if but when" hurricanes, beach erosion, volcanos, earthquakes....tornados" so we take our risks.. heck. I sat in geology class in 1974 and studied the retreating glaciers... and the distinct warning that Mt. St. Helens would blow in our lifetimes.. and it did. and 50 people died. people still live near there and near mt rainier (it is warm with steam caves on top).. and I live in earthquake country.. as does people in mississippi, oklahoma, etc.
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Post by miominmio on May 12, 2018 18:52:58 GMT
You can find volcanoes in so many different locations. Vesuvius is still active, and millions live so close to it, that there will be massive loss of life if it ever has another plinian eruption. People has always lived close to volcanoes, mostly because the soil is extremely fertile.
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Post by gar on May 12, 2018 18:55:15 GMT
From what I’ve read, people are relatively philosophical- they knew and accepted the risks.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 19:00:09 GMT
It’s tragic. It is. I truly feel for those who have/are going to lose their homes. But they had to know there was a VERY HIGH probability of this, right? I mean, the Hawaiian islands are VOLCANOES. Not ancient volcanoes. Active volcanoes. It’s beautiful. I get it. But now matter how much you try to hold back nature (not that you can hold back a volcano), nature always wins. I understand that there are SO many risks (floods, earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, wildfires, mudslides) that we are all probably at risk for something. But in some situations (like ACTIVE volcanoes)—it’s not a matter of IF, it’s a matter of WHEN. I guess I would just never build a home near an active volcano. The people knew they were building on top of the fissures of an active volcano. They took a gamble. I wouldn't live that close to an active volcano but then I live in an area prone to tornadoes and earthquakes; even had both at the same time! Majority of us pick the risks we feel we can accept. I don't think any of them have asked us to feel sorry for them.
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basketdiva
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Post by basketdiva on May 12, 2018 19:02:12 GMT
No different than Californians who live on or near active faults.
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Post by melanell on May 12, 2018 19:08:48 GMT
I think people typically live there for one of several reasons. Perhaps they grew up there, their families may have been there for generations, this is their cultural home, etc., and those things are worth the risk of someday having to rebuild. Or, perhaps they visited there, fell in love with it, and decided that the peace and happiness it brings them day to day was worth the risk. Maybe they are supposed to be there for a short amount of time and the timing was just really unfortunate for them. Of course there may be some people who would like to leave, but they cannot for one reason or another---things such as child custody, a job placement, etc. can be reasons why they must stay. I think overall, most a lot of people just want to be there. And like any other risky location (which is many places, really, with issues such as droughts in arid areas, earthquakes in fault line areas, tornadoes in flatter terrains, hurricanes in coastal areas, ice storms and blizzards in northern areas, etc.), people decide that the pros outweigh the cons, they plan for the worst, and hope for the best.
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Post by julieb on May 12, 2018 19:08:55 GMT
You can find volcanoes in so many different locations. Vesuvius is still active, and millions live so close to it, that there will be massive loss of life if it ever has another plinian eruption. People has always lived close to volcanoes, mostly because the soil is extremely fertile. Our tour guide for Pompeii lives right on Vesuvius. We asked her why and she said it is lovely and if it blows she enjoyed it while she could!
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Post by brina on May 12, 2018 20:07:23 GMT
because all too often affordable housing is build next to dangerous areas. In a place like Hawaii where real estate is so very dear the houses at most risk were probably the most affordable - as was true in New Orleans.
The more removed people are from the last disaster the more likely they are to take the risk.
I grew up on a barrier island. In my lifetime the ocean had channel met four times. Hurricane Belle in the 70s, Hurricane Gloria in the 80s, a particularly nasty nor'easter and Hurricane Irene, the year before Sandy. In each of these cases people got some water in their basements, lots some items, lived without electricity for a few days... The same was true for hurricanes that hit in the decades before that. The last devastating hurricane to hit had been back in the 1930s. By the time Sandy came along there were few people alive who had lived through the last big one. People were pretty complacent. Many didn't even have flood insurance if they lived in one of the 'safe' areas of town. Even more didn't evacuate. Sandy was definitely a wake up call, although most have rebuilt and guidelines for flood insurance have changed drastically.
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on May 12, 2018 20:10:52 GMT
Just did some reading. The houses that are being impacted are located in Zone 1. The most probable location for lava flow.
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Post by cadoodlebug on May 12, 2018 20:18:35 GMT
In 1958 my family spent spring break on the Big Island (we were living on Oahu at the time.) We stayed at Kilauea Military Camp in the Washington cabin. It was a fabulous week and we loved every second of it. Nothing we saw or places we went are still in existence except the Military Camp. Everything has been wiped out by eruptions from Kilauea.
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Post by chaosisapony on May 12, 2018 20:52:26 GMT
I feel bad for the residents and can't bring myself to think badly of them. Every area has it's risks. Where I live a wildfire is not an if but a when. It is likely that my home could be destroyed by fire every summer. I still bought it because it was exactly what I was searching for and I really like the area. I could go 30 minutes in another direction and then I'd have the risk of a yearly flood but I don't like that area as much. Any time you decide to live somewhere you're just picking and choosing your disaster risk of choice.
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Post by J u l e e on May 12, 2018 20:53:25 GMT
In 1958 my family spent spring break on the Big Island (we were living on Oahu at the time.) We stayed at Kilauea Military Camp in the Washington cabin. It was a fabulous week and we loved every second of it. Nothing we saw or places we went are still in existence except the Military Camp. Everything has been wiped out by eruptions from Kilauea. That is sad to know a place where you spent time and loved no longer exists.
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Post by LeaP on May 12, 2018 23:20:42 GMT
I live in California and accept the risk of earthquakes. That said, I am certain that I will be here whining when we have another big one. You think you are prepared, but it is still shocking when it happens.
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Post by GiantsFan on May 12, 2018 23:39:09 GMT
I live in California and accept the risk of earthquakes. That said, I am certain that I will be here whining when we have another big one. You think you are prepared, but it is still shocking when it happens.
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Post by Sarah*H on May 12, 2018 23:49:46 GMT
We were in this area last July; overall it seems like people have a realistic attitude about it. We rode bikes out through the lava fields from the last eruption to see the ocean flow that was happening at the time (a little bit east of where the current breakout is) and there were dozens and dozens of homes and shacks already rebuilt. Some people were living in vans on their lots. It's where they live. It's their land and their home. They were rebuilding their community without electricity, running water, sewage or even roads in most cases and rather than thinking it was reckless or dumb, I was impressed and moved by the resiliency and ingenuity. They live with knowledge that Pele will do what she wants when she wants and they deal with it.
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Post by snyder on May 12, 2018 23:53:43 GMT
I think too when you grow up in the areas that have certain risks, you just become so accustomed to the risk, you don't even think about it. I live in Colorado Springs, where Norad is. I had a magazine salesman come to my door one time and as we were chatting a bit, he asked me, "Aren't you afraid to live here?" No, why? Because if they launch missiles, this will be the first place they hit. Could be a good target, but I honestly hadn't thought of it like that.
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Post by KiwiJo on May 12, 2018 23:55:38 GMT
Yes, it’s all a matter of perspective, and what you are used to.
I live in Auckland - it’s by far the biggest city in New Zealand. It also happens to be built right on top of more than 50 volcanoes. Sure, none of them are active right now, but the volcanic field is definitely not extinct. There WILL be another volcanic eruption sometime. The last one was about 600 years ago.
My home is built right where the lava flows of 2 volcanoes met - you cannot dig down very far before you hit the scoria (you will get to scoria within 3 inches”)
So yes, we live with possibility of another volcanic eruption, in which case most of us would be toast (literally!) unless we got a lot of warning. We could not flee east or west - it’s all ocean because Auckland is at the country’s narrowest point and goes from the the west coast to the east coast]. We wouldn’t all fit on the couple of main roads that go north and south.
We are also close to a major fault line, though our capital city (Wellington) is closer.
But there is no way I would like in an area prone to tornados, like parts of USA. Those things happen every year, not every several hundred years.
Which is the worse risk?
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 12, 2018 23:56:10 GMT
I feel the same way about beach houses. sympathy that people are losing their homes, but also curious about the choices. Actually, I feel that way more about beach homes. It is a lot easier to move 15 miles inland than it is to move off of an island. And beach stabilization is a huge pet peeve of mine. There is a really *nice* housing development near me in a park and the houses are on a cliff and it is eroding. They won't survive 30 more years but people built there anyway. That seemed kind of dangerous to me. Or to put things in perspective we have lived in this house for over 40 years.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 0:14:55 GMT
You do know how much land and houses cost in Hawaii, right? And that you cannot predict where and when a volcano will erupt? For couples buying their first home, just like anywhere else in the world, they may have had to settle for something that isn't in the perfect location with hopes that, since nothing usually happens, nothing will. It's not the optimal situation, but living in an expensive part of the U.S. and remembering how hard it was to buy my first home, I have a lot of compassion for those who are suffering right now.
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Post by annabella on May 13, 2018 0:16:05 GMT
I remember many years ago I asked the peas why people live in areas that have tornadoes because every year I see so many people displaced and don't understand why people live there. and someone said we’d have to evacuate all of the mid-west. lol likewise there’s forest fires in CA every year and people still live there. There’s major flooding every year in our country. But I think technically it’s different cities every year though it may all sound the same to me.
So I don’t question it anymore, I figure people have their reasons. It’s easy for me to sit on my couch and judge but I should thank my lucky stars that where I live there are zero chance of natural disasters. The only way I would lose my home would be by an interior fire.
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Post by annabella on May 13, 2018 0:19:50 GMT
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Post by likescarrots on May 13, 2018 3:58:52 GMT
You can look at zillow and see exactly why people bought in that location. Housing there was cheap, and many people who live in Hawaii cannot afford otherwise to buy or even rent a house there.
Eta: also, Hawaii is the only island with active volcanoes. The rest of the islands have dormant volcanoes that are unlikely to erupt.
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