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Post by moraie on May 17, 2018 15:50:35 GMT
So several people do pop-up cards where they have characters that are NOT attached to the background with little paper rectangles. I get "basic" pop-up with Vs, the rectangles off the creases, making little tables and ovals and pyramids and whatnot in the middle, and I'm usually pretty good and figuring this stuff out, but these have me baffled, and I'm not finding any tutorials. They look like they're freestanding, and just have a little tab that goes down, but how does work? Obviously something has to pull the animal up, and I thought maybe the mechanics are actually like a pull tab that makes a panel flip, where the end of the tab is somehow attached behind the insert to the other side of the card, but I can't quite get it to work. I've seen some that are on a platform, and some that have no platform. What I actually want to make is a no platform card, but I still want to know how the platform one works, too. Has anyone ever seen a tutorial for making either of these styles of cards? I'd be really grateful for some help here, I've spent hours and hours looking. With platform linkNo platform link
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Post by GiantsFan on May 17, 2018 16:16:23 GMT
Cute cards. Although I don't know for sure but I think they probably used something like this LF Everyday Pop-Ups.
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Post by moraie on May 17, 2018 17:40:35 GMT
Cute cards. Although I don't know for sure but I think they probably used something like this LF Everyday Pop-Ups. Thanks, but those aren't quite it. Those are the ones that made different sizes of rectangles off the crease. I'm trying to figure out how they do the images that look like they're freestanding with no support behind them. I appreciate it, though!
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Post by JustTricia on May 17, 2018 19:27:30 GMT
Cute cards. Although I don't know for sure but I think they probably used something like this LF Everyday Pop-Ups. Thanks, but those aren't quite it. Those are the ones that made different sizes of rectangles off the crease. I'm trying to figure out how they do the images that look like they're freestanding with no support behind them. I appreciate it, though! They’re probably made with those, too, just placed differently. For the ones that look freestanding, my guess is the L shaped piece is attached to the card base flat with the upright part facing the edge of the card and not the fold and the animal is attached to the front of the L. When you close the card you’d fold the piece flat, and opening it you would stand the animal up. You’d probably have to use heavy weight cardstock and maneuver the animals manually. Not sure if that made any sense.
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Post by GiantsFan on May 17, 2018 19:31:31 GMT
Thanks, but those aren't quite it. Those are the ones that made different sizes of rectangles off the crease. I'm trying to figure out how they do the images that look like they're freestanding with no support behind them. I appreciate it, though! They’re probably made with those, too, just placed differently. For the ones that look freestanding, my guess is the L shaped piece is attached to the card base flat with the upright part facing the edge of the card and not the fold and the animal is attached to the front of the L. When you close the card you’d fold the piece flat, and opening it you would stand the animal up. You’d probably have to use heavy weight cardstock and maneuver the animals manually. Not sure if that made any sense. This is how I thought they were used also. And maybe (just thinking while typing this) they used a stiff acetate so it doesn't show.
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Post by moraie on May 17, 2018 20:20:51 GMT
JustTricia @giantsfan Thanks. I see what you mean, and I thought about that, it just somehow seemed a little odd to me. I think it's asking a lot of your receiver to understand they had to "assemble" their card, because I think most people would think "Wow" on the big pop up part, then figure the other figures just laid flat. If you got a card, would you think to wiggle or try to pull up something you thought was probably glued to the background? There are no "lift" or other instructions. I'd be afraid to damage something someone made for me by tugging on non-obvious stuff to see if it moved. With the platform card, I'm thinking if you glued your tab to the card base, and it came through the platform via a slit, when the platform collapses it would press the image flat with the platform, and when the platform is raised up, the slit would provide the stability to lift it back up as the platform raises. I hope that makes sense. That way your action isn't relying on an innate property of your material to 'spring back', or the intuition of your receiver, it's using your existing platform action to lift and stabilize. I haven't tried it, but I'm pretty sure that will work. The card that is completely flat (with no platform) beyond baffles me. I can't figure any way at attach the stamped image so the card action itself causes the motion. I could put in an obvious and labeled pull tab to raise them all up at once, but I keep seeing cards that don't have that. If your attachment to the stamp goes under the background paper and to the far side of the card (across the hinge), it would have a fold at the hinge, and the distance between the image and the attachment point on the far side is a fixed distance--opening the card doesn't shorten the length the attachment piece has to cover, so no action of opening/closing would make the fixed length attachment have to cover a larger distance than when laying flat, which is what would have to happen to raise the image with no manual pull tab. It's really hard to describe the motions without pics. This is really driving me nuts!
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Post by anniefb on May 18, 2018 7:29:32 GMT
Hope you can figure something out moraie. I think the second card you linked to does have tiny tabs behind the animals and someone would need to pop them - you could include a message or instructions to that effect, or use one of those stamp sets for interactive cards that has instructions like ‘lift here’ on it. The woman who made that card appears to be a DT member for the company, so maybe she wasn’t thinking about actually sending the card to someone, just making project that looked cute.
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Post by moraie on May 18, 2018 8:54:27 GMT
anniefbThanks. I went through her blog for over 2 years looking for a step by step. I'm hoping I didn't just overlook it. I had the same thought that maybe it was staged for the DT. Since a lot of DT want people to do step-by-steps, I really hoped she had it written up somewhere, but no luck. I've also spent hours pouring over pop up videos, books, tutorials, etc., and I've never seen anything like it, plus I own some really amazing pop-up books and I've never seen it done. I can make the mechanics work legit using a different type of mechanism, I just really hate seeing something like that and not being able to figure our how it works.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 18, 2018 10:29:12 GMT
Is there a way to contact her and ask?
You've probably already done this, but other than messaging the DT member about the cards, my best suggestion would be to search through tutorials for pop up cards on SplitcoastStampers and Pinterest and see if anything like it comes up. Those are the two beet resources thwt I have found.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 18, 2018 11:13:27 GMT
Hope you can figure something out moraie . I think the second card you linked to does have tiny tabs behind the animals and someone would need to pop them - you could include a message or instructions to that effect, or use one of those stamp sets for interactive cards that has instructions like ‘lift here’ on it. The woman who made that card appears to be a DT member for the company, so maybe she wasn’t thinking about actually sending the card to someone, just making project that looked cute. I couldn't stop thinking about this. I went back again and looked more carefully, to see if I had overlooked anything. The example with the box platform probably was done with a mechanism that requires a slit to be cut in the platform for each animal, with an L-shaped tab anchoring each animal pop up to the floor underneath the box. That one should pop up automatically. However, it would require the card maker to manually cut a slit for each animal's support mechanism, unless it was made with the Silhouette or some other electronic cutter. If I were to plan to do multiple cards like that, I can see creating a cutting file. Designing the cutting file might even be faster than cutting slits by hand, even if you were only going to make one card (at least it would be faster and easier for me). If the second DT member was trying to hurry and get a project done to post for the DT requirements, they may have just done a basic scene, minus the box platform underneath to save time, never intending to actually send it as a card. However, once it occurred to me that slits were probably made to the top of the box platform, I thought that perhaps a similar technique was used for the example with no box platform, but with much longer tabs that go through a slit, run underneath, and are actually anchored to the back of the card, but above the center fold. I am not sure that it would actually work, though. It might be tricky to get it to work right and look good, IF it works at all. Now I want to play around with this, to see if I can make my theories work. I would first have to see if I can find suitable stamps to use.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 18, 2018 19:16:41 GMT
Well, I can help with the background part of it, see this video from Sandy: Sandy AllnockI've made a few cards with my Cameo that were popups and they used the same technique that Sandy shows. It was much easier though because I just sent it to the Cameo, cut it and folded it. I think the pop up animals in the front section are the part that is puzzling, but it was a good video. Thanks for sharing it.
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Post by moraie on May 19, 2018 4:57:15 GMT
I couldn't stop thinking about this. I went back again and looked more carefully, to see if I had overlooked anything. The example with the box platform probably was done with a mechanism that requires a slit to be cut in the platform for each animal, with an L-shaped tab anchoring each animal pop up to the floor underneath the box. That one should pop up automatically. However, it would require the card maker to manually cut a slit for each animal's support mechanism, unless it was made with the Silhouette or some other electronic cutter. If I were to plan to do multiple cards like that, I can see creating a cutting file. Designing the cutting file might even be faster than cutting slits by hand, even if you were only going to make one card (at least it would be faster and easier for me). If the second DT member was trying to hurry and get a project done to post for the DT requirements, they may have just done a basic scene, minus the box platform underneath to save time, never intending to actually send it as a card. However, once it occurred to me that slits were probably made to the top of the box platform, I thought that perhaps a similar technique was used for the example with no box platform, but with much longer tabs that go through a slit, run underneath, and are actually anchored to the back of the card, but above the center fold. I am not sure that it would actually work, though. It might be tricky to get it to work right and look good, IF it works at all. Now I want to play around with this, to see if I can make my theories work. I would first have to see if I can find suitable stamps to use. I did leave a blog comment asking about it, but no reply yet. I agree with you on the platform card. That's exactly what I was figuring, but you described it a lot, lot better. The slots don't have to be very big, and I have an old punch that's a small slot for ribbon, I figured I could do that. I don't really mass produce cards, so that's more than good enough for me. I've been playing and playing with the second card without the box platform. I thought the same thing about running the tab to the far side of the card behind the background. The strip has to go across a crease, which means it has to fold with the crease of the card. That fold means that when the card is closed or open the distances from the crease to the glue point (far side) and stamped image never change, otherwise the card wouldn't shut completely. I can't find a way around the crease. I'm not even bothering with stamps to make this work until I figure out mechanics. I have a blank card, an inner liner, some paper strips, and square punched pieces to represent my stamped image. @rosyposy Thanks for the video. I love watching Sandy videos, and I've never seen that one! It's a little different from what I'm puzzling out, though. What I'm trying to figure out is if the penguin and the igloo that are laying flat by the sentiment stood up too, how would you do that? They wouldn't be attached to those background snowdrifts, they'd look like they were free standing. How do you get that free standing look?
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Post by moraie on May 19, 2018 7:02:53 GMT
scrapnnana I'm laying in bed looking at that card and listening to DH rattle off some odd brain-numbing man-trivia and I just realized the front cover is popped up. I'm wondering if the strip could go through a slot in the actual card base and fasten to the back of the popped up panel. That could bypass the crease and create a faux/hidden platform of sorts, but it'd be such a tiny, tiny platform, probably 2 layers of foam tape deep. At very least, even with a crease, it might give the strip enough play to work. I didn't look yet to see if her other covers were popped up, and I'm too tired to crawl out of bed to try it right this second, but it might be viable? ETA: Found this this morning posted on IG. It's got a couple swipe views, the last on is a video looking down, and you can see part the strips and how they insert, but where to do they go? www.instagram.com/augustwren/
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Post by moraie on May 19, 2018 19:20:16 GMT
@rosyposy
Wouldn't it? This is going to drive me nuts until I figure it out.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 19, 2018 21:45:22 GMT
I found a video that shows the L shaped tabs that go through a slit in the box platform. I did not watch the whole video, but I think she shows how to make the box platform one. I just watched long enough for her to mention the L shaped tabs and show a side view for just a moment. I didn't have time to watch the whole video, but here it is: Video of box platform pop up cardI have not yet found anything to give a hint as to the mechanism of the flat one.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 19, 2018 21:51:11 GMT
I found a written tutorial for the box platform version. It is apparently called a pop up stage card: Pop Up Stage Card Tutorial
I also found another video which shows a pop up die set, and one of the dies is for a tab. It creates a very, very simple mechanism for a slightly different type of pop up, which I think is what they used for the the flatter base pop up card (the one that has no stage or box platform).Pop Up Die Set which includes a simple Tab Pop Up
I think that tab pop up is the answer you (and the rest of us) were looking for as to how the card with no platform was made.
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Post by scrappyesq on May 20, 2018 20:11:05 GMT
One thing that I've done for a similar look to the flat card is using acetate. Specifically the type that is on Chinese food containers. Not super heavy, bendable, so it pops up when the card is opened. I cut the acetate in a piece around 1/4 inch thick and line it along the back of the critter. I've used the technique in Lawn Fawn pop up cards where you can line up different layers of elements but if you don't have a way to make them pop up they will stay flat. I hope that makes sense.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 21, 2018 13:03:39 GMT
For the OP and anyone else interested in the answer to how the non-platform card was done, I edited my last post to highlight in bold what I think the answer is. I think it got overlooked, because it was after a link regarding the platform card. Or maybe the OP hasn't checked this thread for a couple of days.
I know I was definitely overthinking how it was done. It appears to be far more simple than I had thought, but the angle and direction of the pop up tab is presumably important. I also think the fold in the pop up tab helps to keep it from collapsing too much. I hope that makes sense.
scrappyesq, I think your suggestion for acetate is a good one. It would resist collapsing, and be less visible at the same time, if it's the clear material that I am thinking of. I bought some for using on box cards.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 21, 2018 15:57:41 GMT
THIS VIDEO from Karen Burniston shows how to make a floating floor. The August Wren video is a little different. When you watch it open, you can see that the pop up pieces start out laying face down and flat against the bottom of the card and are pulled UP by the action of the card opening. I found this in a book I had on paper engineering: Its the same basic concept, but instead of pulling the tab yourself, the action of opening the card pulls the tab. The book is Paper Engineering for pop up books and cards by Mark Hiner. I’ve had it for decades so I’m sure it’s out of print. ETA: I found this link too which might be helpful: Pop up reference Look starting on page 84.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 21, 2018 16:50:01 GMT
crazy4scraps, that is a fabulous video you linked! It's a bit more work than the pop up tab, but the card looks absolutely worth it!
Thanks for sharing it.
It's more along the lines of what I had originally thought might be the process, but I had not actually seen anything that showed how it was done. It was just conjecture on my part, and I was not sure if I could make it work. I had not yet tried. I think the non-platform card the OP linked might be a combination of the floating floor and pop up tabs, but whichever it was, thanks to this message thread I have learned a lot of great techniques that I now want to try.
Edited to add: I had skimmed through the Karen Burniston video, so I missed seeing that her floating floor was a platform card, not the flat (non-platform) technique that I was thinking it was. It's still a great technique, but I am back to thinking the non-platform card used the pop-up tabs for the critters at the front of the non-platform pop up card.
I may try my hand at making both types of cards tonight. Has anyone, OP or anyone following this thread actually tried any of the techniques discussed here?
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Post by bluecrafterperson on May 24, 2018 1:32:36 GMT
So several people do pop-up cards where they have characters that are NOT attached to the background with little paper rectangles. I get "basic" pop-up with Vs, the rectangles off the creases, making little tables and ovals and pyramids and whatnot in the middle, and I'm usually pretty good and figuring this stuff out, but these have me baffled, and I'm not finding any tutorials. They look like they're freestanding, and just have a little tab that goes down, but how does work? Obviously something has to pull the animal up, and I thought maybe the mechanics are actually like a pull tab that makes a panel flip, where the end of the tab is somehow attached behind the insert to the other side of the card, but I can't quite get it to work. I've seen some that are on a platform, and some that have no platform. What I actually want to make is a no platform card, but I still want to know how the platform one works, too. Has anyone ever seen a tutorial for making either of these styles of cards? I'd be really grateful for some help here, I've spent hours and hours looking. With platform linkNo platform link
Can someone provide a link to a video that explains how to make the pop ups in the "with platform link" card?
I found this video, but the presenter goes kind of fast. She made tabs and glued them to the back of the images and inserted the tab through a slot she had made on the platform floor. Where does she glue the tab to--the platform floor or the original card bottom? I guess it would have to be to the original card bottom. If anyone has any input on this type of card...
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Post by moraie on May 24, 2018 3:03:28 GMT
scrapnnana I haven't been on for a few days, my youngest just graduated high school and had his 18th bday, so I've had my hands full. I did finally find the answer. I found a greeting card company that makes $8 pop-up cards, and found a retailer kind of nearish. I'd seen one that looked like what I wanted on IG, and they had it in stock, so I have a working example in my hands. I can see the basic mechanism, but I haven't taken it apart yet. I think it's similar to what crazy4scraps was saying about the tab that pulls itself. That's what I figured it was, but I couldn't figure out how to make the tab work across the hinge. The jist of the mechanism is that there is a pull tab that attaches the back of the stamped image to the far side of card, and when you open the card it pulls the tab for you. The trick is that the tab is bent on both ends, so it doesn't fold in a fixed way a the crease, it stays mobile. It attaches on the back of the stamped image, then angles into a slot behind the image that "tunnels" under the liner layer and comes out again just short of the hinge, then goes through the liner on the far side of the hinge and fastens behind the liner. From the side you see a triangle behind the stamped image and a triangle at the hinge. It'll probably be sometime next week before I can take pics and take it apart. But it's kind of like this: (card is the left/bottom, stamped image at right, \__/ is the tab.) | | | | |\ /| |_\_______/_| bluecrafterperson scrapnnana posted links in the 17th and 18th posts from the top.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 24, 2018 3:15:37 GMT
So several people do pop-up cards where they have characters that are NOT attached to the background with little paper rectangles. I get "basic" pop-up with Vs, the rectangles off the creases, making little tables and ovals and pyramids and whatnot in the middle, and I'm usually pretty good and figuring this stuff out, but these have me baffled, and I'm not finding any tutorials. They look like they're freestanding, and just have a little tab that goes down, but how does work? Obviously something has to pull the animal up, and I thought maybe the mechanics are actually like a pull tab that makes a panel flip, where the end of the tab is somehow attached behind the insert to the other side of the card, but I can't quite get it to work. I've seen some that are on a platform, and some that have no platform. What I actually want to make is a no platform card, but I still want to know how the platform one works, too. Has anyone ever seen a tutorial for making either of these styles of cards? I'd be really grateful for some help here, I've spent hours and hours looking. With platform linkNo platform link
Can someone provide a link to a video that explains how to make the pop ups in the "with platform link" card?
I found this video, but the presenter goes kind of fast. She made tabs and glued them to the back of the images and inserted the tab through a slot she had made on the platform floor. Where does she glue the tab to--the platform floor or the original card bottom? I guess it would have to be to the original card bottom. If anyone has any input on this type of card...
Look at the video I linked above for the floating floor. She does a pretty good job of describing how to assemble it.
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Post by bluecrafterperson on May 24, 2018 3:37:56 GMT
Crazy4scraps, I watched the video you linked above and now I see how that type of card is made. Thanks for bringing attention to your link. I am going to have to try one of those cards some time.
I looked back again at the previous posts and also see a tutorial that Scrapnnana posted that has good pictures explaining how to make the card.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 24, 2018 4:03:55 GMT
Moraie, congrats on your son's graduation. It must be a very, very busy time. Thank you for showing the mechanics of the card. That does help quite a bit, actually, but I will look forward to anything more you can show that helps, when or if you have time.
Bluecrafterperson, I'm glad you found the link for the video by crazy4scraps. It's the best one, IMO.
I had mentioned the possibility of pop up tabs or hinge tabs. I tried them. They really don't pop up all the way on their own. They need a little assistance, especially if the card has been in an envelope for a few days. The mechanisms, with or without the platform, definitely give a more impressive result.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 18, 2018 4:18:15 GMT
Nearly 4 weeks ago, crazy4scraps posted a link to a video by Karen Burniston. I'm bringing this thread to the top again because Karen was demonstrating at the "It's Cheaper Than Therapy" booth at GASC Arlington (Texas) when I went on Thursday. She has several unique card designs, and she has die sets for creating them. I saw a ton of cute examples made with her dies. I bought 6 of her pop-up die sets, but this one was the card that fascinated me: Karen Burniston Square Spinner CardSomeone watching her demo while I was there asked if she has an engineering background, and she said she did. I'm not surprised, considering some of her designs. If you are interested in other types of pop ups, you may want to watch more of her videos. She has some unique pop-up designs.
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Post by anniefb on Jun 19, 2018 17:35:32 GMT
TFS scrapnnana - I must admit I only heard about KB recently but am amazed at some of her dies.
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