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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 23:09:21 GMT
In all fairness, I'm pretty sure the right lost their poop when Obama said he'd talk with Kim Jong Un, and then criticized he didn't do enough.
Now the left is loosing their poop because Trump did meet with KJU, and are now criticizing he didn't do enough.
It's a vicious circle we go around in.
I'm remaining hopefully optimistic. This was the first meeting these two had, yet the left seems to think he should have achieved peace on the Korean Peninsula yesterday. I'll give it a little more time than that. 
I saw Congressman Adam Kinzinger being interviewed. When asked if he was bothered by Trump saying the military exercises were being stopped with SK, he explained those exercises do have importance, but it's a non-issue right now because there weren't any even scheduled in the near future. Coincidence? Who knows.
One thing that's really bugging me is the thought of KJU going to the White House. I was getting knots when the North Korean officials were there a couple of weeks ago, and I don't think anybody from that regime, especially KJU, should ever be allowed in there.
Why shouldn’t KJU be welcomed into the White House? If we are having diplomatic talks with him isn’t it reasonable to eventually extend an invitation to him? I know that he is a dictator, however he is the leader of North Korea. Is there some rule or unwritten rule that the White House does not welcome all leaders here for talks? Are there other countries that we do not welcome the leaders to the White House? When I see KJU, I think of Otto Warmbier. I think about the half-brother he had poisoned. I think about the other relatives he had executed. I think about the defectors with the tapeworms. I think about the threats NK has been directing at us forever.
We need to work and hope for peace. The NK people are in serious need of help. I'm okay with Trump trying, and I applaud it. But in my perfect world, it can be done without coming to the White House. Unless I'm mistaken, Castro never came to the White House either.
Would it be reasonable to have KJU here? Not to me, but who am I?
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 12, 2018 23:10:43 GMT
Thanks for answering! I think I understand your point. 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 23:11:47 GMT
How would people feel if Putin was invited to the White House? Might happen some day.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 12, 2018 23:19:33 GMT
Yeah. I think Putin is scary as All get out. And I don’t love the idea of him coming anywhere within our country, not just to the White House. However, he’s also the leader of Russia. I think I’m of the opinion that if leaders want to get together to work some things out they should be able to do that where the leaders see fit. For us, it makes sense to have them at The White House, as that’s part of the function of that building (correct me if I’m wrong). But, do we make a policy of not hosting terrible leaders/dictators on our soil?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 23:27:31 GMT
They should meet at Camp David. Like Sadat and Begin. (Showing my age there).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 23:32:34 GMT
Yeah. I think Putin is scary as All get out. And I don’t love the idea of him coming anywhere within our country, not just to the White House. However, he’s also the leader of Russia. I think I’m of the opinion that if leaders want to get together to work some things out they should be able to do that where the leaders see fit. For us, it makes sense to have them at The White House, as that’s part of the function of that building (correct me if I’m wrong). But, do we make a policy of not hosting terrible leaders/dictators on our soil? I completely understand where you're coming from. I'm just not as reasonable as you.  I'd never be good at being President. I can think of so many more people I'd add to a "Do Not Enter" list including Assad, and the leader of Iran. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 23:33:56 GMT
They should meet at Camp David. Like Sadat and Begin. (Showing my age there). Oooh, good idea. Much better than my thought of an airplane hangar.  |
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Post by mom on Jun 12, 2018 23:36:01 GMT
Why shouldn’t KJU be welcomed into the White House? If we are having diplomatic talks with him isn’t it reasonable to eventually extend an invitation to him? I know that he is a dictator, however he is the leader of North Korea. Is there some rule or unwritten rule that the White House does not welcome all leaders here for talks? Are there other countries that we do not welcome the leaders to the White House? When I see KJU, I think of Otto Warmbier. I think about the half-brother he had poisoned. I think about the other relatives he had executed. I think about the defectors with the tapeworms. I think about the threats NK has been directing at us forever.
We need to work and hope for peace. The NK people are in serious need of help. I'm okay with Trump trying, and I applaud it. But in my perfect world, it can be done without coming to the White House. Unless I'm mistaken, Castro never came to the White House either.
Would it be reasonable to have KJU here? Not to me, but who am I?
Yeah, I am with @devildog on this one. I do not want KJU anywhere near the Whitehouse. I truly believe we can help the people of NK without having KJU prance on US soil. edited: I see some have offered Camp David as a possible location to host KJU. While I would prefer he not be on any US soil, if he MUST, then Camp David would be an ok choice. |
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Post by jlynnbarth on Jun 13, 2018 1:04:50 GMT
I’m glad the talks happened. It’s a step in the right direction to at least possibly get some help to the innocent N Koreans who have been treated so abysmally by the waste of humanity Kim. I do not trust Kim as far as I could spit on him. I know our Military doesn’t either. We may not be playing war games with S Korea for a minute, but our Military personnel aren’t stupid people. They’d never let their guard down this early in the game. And that is what I see this as. A game Kim is playing so that we will lift the sanctions. I think he thinks Trump is the stupidest guy on the planet (as so many others do too) and that he’ll get caught up in the accolades of bringing peace to the Koreas blah blah blah, but in this case I think (read hope) that Trump is listening to his Military advisors. We all know Trump doesn’t like to lose, so I think that will keep him listening to what the Military is saying.
As far as Kim coming to the United States, I hope it never happens. I wouldn’t be opposed to a future N Korean leader coming here as long as they hadn’t committed crimes against humanity like Kim has.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 13, 2018 2:04:28 GMT
Since it looks like we're making a list of who we don't want to enter America... I'm putting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad & more current Iranian leaders on the list.  Here was Ahmadinejad before the UN in 2011 when he referred to the "mysterious September 11 incident" as a pretext to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. Later, he criticized the US for killing Osama bin Laden and burying his body at sea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 2:19:07 GMT
I'd like to add to the list of not welcome in the USA
robert de niro
He deserves no capitals in his name.
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Post by katieanna on Jun 13, 2018 14:15:01 GMT
Since it looks like we're making a list of who we don't want to enter America... I'm putting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad & more current Iranian leaders on the list. Here was Ahmadinejad before the UN in 2011 when he referred to the "mysterious September 11 incident" as a pretext to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. Later, he criticized the US for killing Osama bin Laden and burying his body at sea. What a monster! I wholeheartedly agree that he should be on the list. |
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Post by gar on Jun 13, 2018 14:16:14 GMT
He deserves no capitals in his name. Ooooh! That'll show him!  |
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Post by mom on Jun 13, 2018 15:27:50 GMT
Did anyone pay attention to some of the outcomes from Tuesdays Primaries? I think there were 5 Primaries yesterday.
In Virginia Republican voters voted in Corey Stewart. Nevermind that he will never beat Tim Kaine in the main election - Stewart is an asshole person. If I lived in that State, no way could I ever vote for him. This is one of those cases I dont really recognize the Republican Party. There was NO ONE else that qualified as a better human being? No one???
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Post by janeliz on Jun 13, 2018 15:48:24 GMT
Did anyone pay attention to some of the outcomes from Tuesdays Primaries? I think there were 5 Primaries yesterday. In Virginia Republican voters voted in Corey Stewart. Nevermind that he will never beat Tim Kaine in the main election - Stewart is an asshole person. If I lived in that State, no way could I ever vote for him. This is one of those cases I dont really recognize the Republican Party. There was NO ONE else that qualified as a better human being? No one??? Corey Stewart is a Deplorable, no doubt about it. How about Dennis Hof, the brothel owner, winning a GOP primary in Nevada. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 13, 2018 15:49:22 GMT
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does all of his anti-American ranting right on our own soil at the UN.
Yet one more reason to get rid of that Anti-American organization that we fund.
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Post by mom on Jun 13, 2018 16:07:18 GMT
Did anyone pay attention to some of the outcomes from Tuesdays Primaries? I think there were 5 Primaries yesterday. In Virginia Republican voters voted in Corey Stewart. Nevermind that he will never beat Tim Kaine in the main election - Stewart is an asshole person. If I lived in that State, no way could I ever vote for him. This is one of those cases I dont really recognize the Republican Party. There was NO ONE else that qualified as a better human being? No one??? Corey Stewart is a Deplorable, no doubt about it. How about Dennis Hof, the brothel owner, winning a GOP primary in Nevada. Oh yeah, Hof is up there too (or rather, down there?). I mean, really. This is the best we can do? Ugh. For the first time, I am SERIOUSLY considering walking away from the Republican Party. Give my card up. In the past year I have quit voting for them and sending in donations. But I can no longer support the party at a national level if this is the shit they in turn, bring to the table. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 13, 2018 16:28:32 GMT
I hear you mom . I still plan to vote in the GOP primary here in Michigan. But if my candidate doesn't win, I refuse to support either of the candidates running against him in the general election. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 16:38:28 GMT
It's depressing. Even though I'm not a member of the Rep party, neither choice in many elections is any damn good.  |
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on Jun 13, 2018 17:55:29 GMT
Is it OK to bring up thoughts about another current post here or is that not cool to do? The current post is already getting heated and I don't want to argue about it, but am (curious??) about my point of view on it. While it won't be popular (at least not on that thread), I'm not bringing it up to stir the pot or poke the puppy which is how I'm worried it will come out since I'm not always the greatest with getting my point across. It's just how I see things about the topic. I certainly do not see it as black and white either which is why I don't want to argue or get ugly about it, just discuss rationally. No deflecting, defending or whatever else from me on current or past administrations, just my point of view. If it's not cool, I am totally fine with keeping my thoughts to myself. Which I usually do.  |
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 13, 2018 18:03:08 GMT
Did anyone pay attention to some of the outcomes from Tuesdays Primaries? I think there were 5 Primaries yesterday. In Virginia Republican voters voted in Corey Stewart. Nevermind that he will never beat Tim Kaine in the main election - Stewart is an asshole person. If I lived in that State, no way could I ever vote for him. This is one of those cases I dont really recognize the Republican Party. There was NO ONE else that qualified as a better human being? No one??? Corey Stewart is a Deplorable, no doubt about it. How about Dennis Hof, the brothel owner, winning a GOP primary in Nevada. That is unfortunate. 🙁 |
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Post by PLurker on Jun 13, 2018 18:14:16 GMT
Did anyone pay attention to some of the outcomes from Tuesdays Primaries? I think there were 5 Primaries yesterday. In Virginia Republican voters voted in Corey Stewart. Nevermind that he will never beat Tim Kaine in the main election - Stewart is an asshole person. If I lived in that State, no way could I ever vote for him. This is one of those cases I dont really recognize the Republican Party. There was NO ONE else that qualified as a better human being? No one??? I'm highlighting above because it just occurred to me. As I have said in the past that I have never been part of a political or voted along the lines. What mostly, in my mind, I call out is the asshole behavior of those in power and the way they are mistreating or ignoring people. Humanity, empathy and kindness matters to me. And yet often when I call out these things I am assumed to be a raging liberal and have been both embraced and attacked depending on what side the person 'judging' is on. Either way, either side it is a sad state of affairs. Assholes are getting votes and we are fighting amongst each other. Vote the assholes out. Either side. ETA if I'm not welcome to post here, sorry. Most of the time I am reading and reply to whatever I feel the need to, regardless of the thread. I replied before even thinking what thread it is, just a thought on the post quoted. |
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Post by Tamhugh on Jun 13, 2018 19:05:34 GMT
Did anyone pay attention to some of the outcomes from Tuesdays Primaries? I think there were 5 Primaries yesterday. In Virginia Republican voters voted in Corey Stewart. Nevermind that he will never beat Tim Kaine in the main election - Stewart is an asshole person. If I lived in that State, no way could I ever vote for him. This is one of those cases I dont really recognize the Republican Party. There was NO ONE else that qualified as a better human being? No one??? I think that people can't just believe an awful candidate can't win. How many people really thought that Trump would win the Republican nomination, let alone the general election? Not one of my Republican family members or friends took him seriously. That is why I think that voters need to be more active in the primaries as well as the general elections. My youngest went to rallies, canvassed door-to-door, and volunteered at campus activities because the election was so important to him. The county he was in flipped from the last election and they credited some of that with a lot of grassroots effort. It matters. BTW, I have enjoyed reading this thread even if I lean in another direction. I don't like only hearing/seeing one side. But, if you would rather I not comment on the thread, I totally get it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 19:06:05 GMT
Is it OK to bring up thoughts about another current post here or is that not cool to do? The current post is already getting heated and I don't want to argue about it, but am (curious??) about my point of view on it. While it won't be popular (at least not on that thread), I'm not bringing it up to stir the pot or poke the puppy which is how I'm worried it will come out since I'm not always the greatest with getting my point across. It's just how I see things about the topic. I certainly do not see it as black and white either which is why I don't want to argue or get ugly about it, just discuss rationally. No deflecting, defending or whatever else from me on current or past administrations, just my point of view. If it's not cool, I am totally fine with keeping my thoughts to myself. Which I usually do. I think the only thing asked to not bring here was the topic of guns. As long as it's not about guns, I think you're safe in bringing up any topic. |
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Post by mom on Jun 13, 2018 19:15:09 GMT
Did anyone pay attention to some of the outcomes from Tuesdays Primaries? I think there were 5 Primaries yesterday. In Virginia Republican voters voted in Corey Stewart. Nevermind that he will never beat Tim Kaine in the main election - Stewart is an asshole person. If I lived in that State, no way could I ever vote for him. This is one of those cases I dont really recognize the Republican Party. There was NO ONE else that qualified as a better human being? No one??? ? Not one of my Republican family members or friends took him seriously. That is why I think that voters need to be more active in the primaries as well as the general elections. My youngest went to rallies, canvassed door-to-door, and volunteered at campus activities because the election was so important to him. The county he was in flipped from the last election and they credited some of that with a lot of grassroots effort. It matters. BTW, I have enjoyed reading this thread even if I lean in another direction. I don't like only hearing/seeing one side. But, if you would rather I not comment on the thread, I totally get it. I know on election night I was floored that Trump was the winner. I never saw it coming (but I didn't vote for him, either!). I guess today I have come to realize I am done with the Republican Party. I am done with Ryan not doing anything. I am done with Ted Cruz. Whats sad is I don't think I am leaving the Republican Party - they have already left me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 19:21:04 GMT
Did anyone pay attention to some of the outcomes from Tuesdays Primaries? I think there were 5 Primaries yesterday. In Virginia Republican voters voted in Corey Stewart. Nevermind that he will never beat Tim Kaine in the main election - Stewart is an asshole person. If I lived in that State, no way could I ever vote for him. This is one of those cases I dont really recognize the Republican Party. There was NO ONE else that qualified as a better human being? No one??? I think that people can't just believe an awful candidate can't win. How many people really thought that Trump would win the Republican nomination, let alone the general election? Not one of my Republican family members or friends took him seriously. That is why I think that voters need to be more active in the primaries as well as the general elections. My youngest went to rallies, canvassed door-to-door, and volunteered at campus activities because the election was so important to him. The county he was in flipped from the last election and they credited some of that with a lot of grassroots effort. It matters. BTW, I have enjoyed reading this thread even if I lean in another direction. I don't like only hearing/seeing one side. But, if you would rather I not comment on the thread, I totally get it. I think everyone here appreciates civil discussion. It's when people come here to kick sand at the core group here that's not welcome. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 13, 2018 19:22:08 GMT
Is it OK to bring up thoughts about another current post here or is that not cool to do? The current post is already getting heated and I don't want to argue about it, but am (curious??) about my point of view on it. While it won't be popular (at least not on that thread), I'm not bringing it up to stir the pot or poke the puppy which is how I'm worried it will come out since I'm not always the greatest with getting my point across. It's just how I see things about the topic. I certainly do not see it as black and white either which is why I don't want to argue or get ugly about it, just discuss rationally. No deflecting, defending or whatever else from me on current or past administrations, just my point of view. If it's not cool, I am totally fine with keeping my thoughts to myself. Which I usually do. Topics are good, I think what people don’t like is the baiting. Definitely feel free to bring up a topic  |
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Post by peano on Jun 13, 2018 19:28:55 GMT
Fred has begun how many bashing threads? How many posts on those threads has she made? She laid the trap here and Snow took the bait. Now, she feels adequately justified to respond and turn this into a bashing thread as well. Once again, all political conversations on this board must be dominated by anti-Trump. Late to the game here, but if you are referring to the thread just above this one I'm quoting, I'm trying to understand how anyone can construe that as "bashing" unless "bashing" in your interpretation means differs in opinion from yourself, because I find Fred's posts to be thoughtful and polite in general while expressing her views. I can't say this about every liberal on this board. |
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Post by peano on Jun 13, 2018 19:36:31 GMT
Fred's post to address Snowsilver's list did not come across as bashing to me, at all. She disagreed with a few points and asked valid questions. That's a conversation. Maybe that's part of the problem. We can't even agree on what is considered bashing. I'll be honest, occasionally on this these conservative threads I do see something that I would consider bashing Trump et al by a liberal pea. But mostly it just looks like a difference of opinion to me. To me, it seems that when someone disagrees or doesn't like something that Trump, his administration, or the GOP has done it is construed by the conservatives (general) as bashing him. Whereas, if we posted that we disagreed with something a liberal had done, it would not be interpreted the same way. I have reached the understanding that the people on this thread don't really want debate, but rather a safe, sort of back-slapping place for people to congregate, and not have to think about things too deeply. Once I realized this, it was easy for me to just read, see what other people are thinking and move on. For me personally, it's the active back and forth and debate that help me learn and understand, and formulate my opinions. Different strokes... |
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Post by peano on Jun 13, 2018 19:45:32 GMT
Really? He got it because he was the first black US President. It certainly wasn't due to anything he did. If they had awarded him the prize for being the first black US President, or even for being the first biracial or biracial/black US President, I'd be 100% behind the decision. But they didn't. Stupid on the part of the prize commission. They squandered that historic opportunity quite badly. Are you being sarcastic or facetious, because if you and Lauren aren't, my reaction is     . And now I guess it's time for you to cue up a sassy little meme... |
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I'd never be good at being President. I can think of so many more people I'd add to a "Do Not Enter" list including Assad, and the leader of Iran.
. And now I guess it's time for you to cue up a sassy little meme...