StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Jun 25, 2018 13:33:50 GMT
I know there have been posts about curly hair, I can't find them with the search option :/ This kids hair is getting out of control. He's letting it grow because it's too expensive to get haircuts as frequently as it takes to keep it from looking like bedhead......and, college. ha. It's been a minute since I've had hair long enough to worry about, give me your best tips for smooth and gorgeous curls? brushes, combs, techniques, products?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 13:41:25 GMT
No hair help, but.... when did he grow up???!?!!?
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Post by mikewozowski on Jun 25, 2018 13:55:05 GMT
i'd pay for the haircuts myself.
taking care of curly hair is hard IMO. my daughter is a curly girl, but she has been straightening for about 10 years.
i think one of the big no-nos is brushing. brushing gives you poofy hair. have him use his fingers to "comb" it after he showers.
there are tons of products for curly hair, but i don't really remember.
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StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Jun 25, 2018 13:59:36 GMT
I know right?? He will be 20 on just a couple of weeks! No hair help, but.... when did he grow up???!?!!? mikewozowski I've offered multiple times. I think it's really the time to go get it done and the hassle of finding someone to cut it in his new town. The ladies dig long hair. I actually love it long but he's getting frustrated with it getting frizzy.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 25, 2018 14:00:40 GMT
He should start with a good haircut from someone who knows how to cut curly hair. Then see if they can recommend a good product.
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Peamac
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Post by Peamac on Jun 25, 2018 14:06:22 GMT
Search Facebook for Curly Girl groups. I'm in one that does cowashing (using conditioner instead of shampoo to clean hair, then use products), but there should be several. The Curly Girl book may be helpful also.
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Post by Merge on Jun 25, 2018 14:13:17 GMT
No brushes! My oldest's hair is about that curly. She's had major improvement since she quit brushing her hair. She actually uses a leave-in conditioner and product (gel? I think?) designed for ethnic hair. She does use shampoo. After she showers, she squeezes enough water out of her hair so it isn't dripping and puts in the product. No towel rubbing. Her hair looks fantastic now.
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Post by annaintx on Jun 25, 2018 14:17:21 GMT
NO BRUSHING!! Go to FB and find the Curly Crew (and Gents Too!). They can help, they helped me immensely. If he wants to go all natural curly, he'll need to do a final wash with baby shampoo and then get a conditioner that's "approved" and doesn't have all the bad stuff in it. The FB Curly Crew has lots of photos in their files of "approved" products. He will need some gel to tame the curls a bit.
Good luck--please message me if you want more specific info!
ETA: If he really wants to take care of it, then after his final wash, he'll need to only wash with the conditioner, not any shampoo (unless it's an approved shampoo, the FB group has the pics/info). I got all of my hair care products at Sally Beauty and Walmart. They are easy to find.
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Post by twistedscissors on Jun 25, 2018 14:20:08 GMT
Absolutely no brushing or scrubbing it dry with a towel! Use a towel to squeeze only, no rubbing. Use a wide tooth comb or fingers to comb out tangles and add gel while wet then don’t touch it again.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 25, 2018 14:21:50 GMT
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Post by cristelina on Jun 25, 2018 14:26:46 GMT
I love your son's hair. He has awesome curls. 1. Use good hair product- I use deva curl products. My hair is more wavy than curly and the products work fine. 2. NEVER comb it or brush it. It just makes a huge bushy/frizzy mess. I haven't combed my hair in over 5 years. For some reason, curly/wavy hair does not form knots or tangles. Ever. 3. Once you have used your hair product on wet hair DON'T TOUCH IT. When your hair is completely dry, quickly and gently puff it up with your fingers. 4. DON'T TOUCH OR PLAY WITH YOUR HAIR once it's dry. EVER. This was and is the hardest thing to do. My 32 year old son has wavy hair but refuses to use any product because it's too much work. Hope your son agrees to use good hair products. Without them, his curls will never really shine.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 25, 2018 14:27:36 GMT
No brushes! My oldest's hair is about that curly. She's had major improvement since she quit brushing her hair. She actually uses a leave-in conditioner and product (gel? I think?) designed for ethnic hair. She does use shampoo. After she showers, she squeezes enough water out of her hair so it isn't dripping and puts in the product. No towel rubbing. Her hair looks fantastic now. I agree with all of this. Variations could include: -using both a rinse-out and leave-in conditioner. I do. -using a very wide toothed comb UNDER the shower stream just to detangle (or use it after the leave in conditioner to detangle and spread the conditioner. Just make sure to re-tousle the curls.) -if needed (little time, too wet) using an old tee shirt to “towel dry squeeze” I also agree that he should get a good cut/trim from somebody good with curly hair. Just ask at the salon or, better, ask a curly haired female friend. That stylist might recommend pricey product (what I use is out of his budget), but the drugstore is now full of products for curly hair. And those curly haired co-eds would love to trade trips with him...
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Post by nlwilkins on Jun 25, 2018 15:14:02 GMT
He can always get a razer for hair, get the attachment for a specific length, say an inch and buzz his own hair. There will come a time when he will want to look a little more professional and long curly hair does not fit. My husband does this for his beard. At 76 his beard is still very tough and hard to manage. With his tremors, he can no longer use a straight edge or blade.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 25, 2018 15:17:27 GMT
This is super helpful to me. My hair is straight as a stick, but my son got gorgeous red curls. Am FILLED with envy. His hair looks just like your son's hair! He never - not never ever - touches it. He used to brush it, but it made it look horrible. When he leaves it, it looks like he wrapped each curl around his finger. He uses sulfate-free shampoo and conditioner, but nothing else. He goes every 6 months or so to the salon and they do a lovely trim. It is expensive, but worth it.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 25, 2018 15:24:48 GMT
He has my hair. Exactly. No brushes(!) no combs(!) lots of moisture, cowash if possible.
I have to switch from Deva Decadence line because I find the regular too drying.
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Post by Linda on Jun 25, 2018 15:58:29 GMT
no brushes - EVER. IF he has to use a comb - the hair has to be wet(not damp, WET...like still in the shower wet) and it needs to be a wide tooth comb. Finger combing should be sufficient once he's in a routine.
Coconut oil is my go-to for curly hair. We're not big product people here nor are we the sort to spend lots of time fussing (which it sounds like he isn't either). Take a (small) amount of coconut oil in your hand, rub it around to liquify, and apply to hair by running hands through wet hair (post-shower - wrap in towel, don't rub but let towel soak up most of the water so it's not dripping THEN the coconut oil).
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Post by blueeyedpups on Jun 25, 2018 21:25:50 GMT
Love your curls products. Shampoo, Conditioner, and a Leave-in treatment. Makes your hair soft, controls frizz. And like everyone else said, no brushing!
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Post by myshelly on Jun 25, 2018 21:29:56 GMT
You’ve gotten some good advice
But I want to reiterate - most important - no brushes!
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 25, 2018 21:53:33 GMT
NO BRUSHING! I just switched from Deva Curl to LUS brand and I’m loving it, no crusty product build up, soft natural waves...but it smells pretty girlie. Whatever he picks it needs to provide a lot of moisture. Conditioning instead of shampooing can be good but my roots get oily so I shampoo every other or every third day, condition the rest.
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Post by mellyw on Jun 25, 2018 21:56:56 GMT
I’ve tried the Deva curl products, and the no washing methods, and they just don’t work for me.
What I have found that’s worked wonders for me, Redkens Curvaceous line. In particular the No Foam Shampoo. Love that stuff.
And as others have already said, no brushing. I do use a wide tooth comb when it’s completely wet, or it tangles on me.
He’s got beautiful curls, just needs help with the frizz.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 25, 2018 22:20:44 GMT
There is a way to nourish curly hair so that you don't control it but let it get healthier and healthier so it looks the best it can be. It's called the Curly Girl method and it's for guys too. It's started over 10 years ago with a book called "The Curly Girl Handbook" by Lorraine Massey. Now there's a website called naturallycurly.com and I follow this facebook group that super helpful Curly Girls! Support Group for Curly, Wavy, Natural Healthy Hair. Don't worry about the girls part, we have a couple of guys here too, and the information applies to both genders. Basically we follow a method called the CG (curly girl) method after the book. What that means is we use hair products without sulfates and silicones. While the book says to wash your hair with only conditioner that isn't true anymore. Since it's been published lots of CG safe shampoos or cleansers have come on the market. Most people use these now. Shampoos with sulfates will dry your hair out. Conditioners with silicones coat each hair shaft with plastic so while it may look shiny at first, it keeps the good parts of the conditioner from penetrating the hair shaft and it can't get in.
If your son would like to try this a good first step is going to naturallycurly.com and taking the texture quiz. That will tell him what kind of curls he has. Then he will have to do a final wash which will get rid of the silicones he has in his hair so the good conditioners can get in. Most people use Johnson's Baby Shampoo for this. Follow this up with a Deep Conditioner. I really like Jessicurl Deep Treatment. You can get it on Amazon. It's for all types of curly hair and a tube of it lasts for many treatments. At first you'll want to do a treatment every week or two while his hair is getting better. He'll keep that on his hair for 30 minutes and then rinse it out.
Then you'll want to find a good quality CG shampoo and conditioner and styling product to use. Deva products were the first so they remain well known but they are getting a bad reputation. They tend to dry hair out and contain a lot of protein. A lot of curly hair types don't do well with protein. My favorite currently is now jessicurl.com You can go to the website and get samples of most of her products. My hair really likes them because they don't have protein and her products have a great reputation. They are a bit pricey but I only wash my hair once a week, and as your son gets further along in this process he will wash his hair less and less too. She has free shipping the 15 of every month but other than that I get her products on Amazon because her shipping is high. Another good line is Raw Hair Organics, but the conditioners at least in my hair contained too much protein. A lot of other people really like them.
Of course there are less expensive products to try-I'm not sure of your son's budget. In the facebook group we discuss products all of the time. Either way you go about it by following the CG method his hair will look much healthier and his curls will look much better.
Other hints-don't brush, use only a wide tooth comb and only in the shower when your hair is covered in conditioner.
Don't use a towel when you dry your hair. I squeeze a lot of the water our of my hair when I'm applying my last product (I actually only use one styling product-most people use a gel but my hair is fine and it's wavy so I like to use a product called Original Curl Keeper). I rake it through my hair while leaning over and then squish it in with both hands and it forms curls while I'm doing this. I do it until no more water is dripping down. I then get out of the shower and use an old soft t-shirt to wrap around my hair. I leave it up like that for about 5-10 minutes. It absorbs a lot of water. Then I let it down and let it air dry. Towels create frizz. Using a really soft t-shirt eliminates the frizz.
I wish your son luck, but he really doesn't need it. I can already see the potential for a head of wonderful curls. He will drive the girls crazy. I wouldn't cut it yet at all.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 25, 2018 22:24:47 GMT
If your son is looking to grow his hair out, tell him to look into the Curly Girl method. Tell him not to let the name scare him away 😂
I've learned morethan I ever thought possible about my hair and products that will work for it by going down that rabbit hole.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 25, 2018 23:42:59 GMT
Also dry hair=frizz Using towels=frizz. My favorite product to reduce frizz is Original Curl Keeper by Curly Hair Solutions. It's a liquid product that you put in soaking wet hair. It acts as a bit of a curl activator (will bring out what curls you have) and really works well to reduce frizz. My favorite part-it reactivates the next day with just water. Often that's all I use as a styling product. Most people though like to follow it with a gel.
His hair needs moisture which means a lot of good conditioning. As I said the only way to get the good ingredients in to do their work is to get rid of the silicones.
The topic of using oils is up for debate. I personally don't like using oils. In my opinion oils and water don't mix. I've tried coconut oil in the past and it made a mess in my hair. It was so difficult to wash it out. I much prefer using a great, quality conditioner with shea butter, and other really good ingredients in the right proportions so they aren't too heavy to weigh the curls down. As I mentioned I love Deep Treatment as a deep conditioner. Too Shea is a great conditioner for using after shampoo. Both products are made by Jessicurl.
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Post by bazinga on Jun 26, 2018 0:06:35 GMT
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Post by Zee on Jun 26, 2018 2:34:59 GMT
My kids got my curly hair and my son's is like yours only longer.
I'll repeat what everyone says: NO BRUSHING OR COMBING
I think DS alternates between a leave in conditioner and a hair serum applied when wet, air dry, fluff with fingers if needed. DD uses 8351 products that no man is going to want to mess with.
Very humid weather inevitably produces some frizz.
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Post by meridon on Jun 26, 2018 2:46:21 GMT
I basically have a more shaped up version of your son's hair! Nothing really new to add except that he's probably washing it too often. I only actually was my hair twice a week. When I do, I use a leave in conditioner (either Knot Today or one by Ouidad--their anti frizz and humidity gel) and then let it air dry a bit before I put more product in it. On the other days, I use a curl revitalizer by Ouidad that reactivates the curl and add a bit more product. He will just have to experiment to see what works for him but, as others have said, no brushing! Ever! I have a Wet Brush that I use if I've been swimming, but that's it. I only style and "comb" it with my fingers.
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StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Jun 26, 2018 2:49:23 GMT
Thank you SO much! Lots of options, if anyone has a great stylist near Dayton I'd love a referral!
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Post by kenziekeeper on Jun 26, 2018 3:21:08 GMT
I have a girl in Mason and one in Grandview... Let me know if you want those!
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Jun 26, 2018 9:18:14 GMT
My son has curls. I wash it with shampoo, then put conditioner in it. I comb the tangles out while the conditioner is in it. I rinse it. I’ll squeeze the water out and spring the curls back up with my hands. That’s it. In order to get the curls under control in the morning, his hair has to get wet and I use my hand to squeeze the curls again. But usually I just let it do what it wants to in the morning before school.
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 26, 2018 9:35:48 GMT
No hair help, but.... when did he grow up???!?!!? Wow, I was thinking the same thing! sheesh, they grow up quickly. Either that or I'm old.... No help with the hair because we all have stick-straight hair in this family. I always wished I had hair like that.
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