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Post by rodeomom on Jun 25, 2018 21:47:08 GMT
Every republican I have tried to have a discussion with, but one, is voting No on this state question. In their minds, and their words, " it's a hippy liberal agenda for all the dopers to just get loaded all day and not work." They won't listen to anything regarding it otherwise. It's a frustrating attempt at a conversation. Yeah, not very helpful. Are you even old enough to remember hippies?  Well I am old enough and no republican I have talked to is voting for this. And most people I know including my family are republican. I will be surprised if this passes. I think you have to be from here to know the mind set of SOME republicans here. I know only a few dems. My mother once asked me why I would want to meat "those" people. She was talking about Dems. |
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Post by LeaP on Jun 25, 2018 22:06:21 GMT
It is legal here in California. It is very rare to smell it in parks in my area (San Fernando Valley part of Los Angeles), but it does emanate from a couple of homes in the neighborhood. Medical was legal previously and little has changed in the transition. I voted yes and would again. I think I read in the LA Times that we have one of the lower death rates from the opioid crisis and it might be because many people use cannabis for pain relief.
Also, in spite of what Sessions would have you believe, legal marijuana has not led to more crime.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 25, 2018 22:09:17 GMT
I lived in Colorado when they passed medical marijuana in 2000 (which incidentally I voted for). I'm glad to hear other states have a better system to not essentially pass recreational under the guise of medicinal. Yes I personally know that it was ridiculously easy to obtain a prescription and it was a key driver in the subsequent ease of passage for recreational use. The primary issues have been discussed on many other threads - how to deal with the cash aspect of the business and subsequent crime and appropriately measuring and convicting for DUI where THC is not as straightforward as blood alcohol. Sorry I didn't respond to posters directly, I'm out and about today.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 25, 2018 22:16:06 GMT
Well in Colorado, about 96% of those getting med mj cards were men between the ages of 21 and 35 or so according to the Denver Post. Who knew so many men had "back pain" that could only be helped by med mj?  I know several people who are genuinely helped by it, some who moved from out of state so their children could be treated with it. Unfortunately they are in the minority of users. Then in a few years, people will want to make it legal to use recreationally, since so many are already doing so. That will lead to illegal grow house raids in expensive neighborhoods, sections of town smelling terrible (causing tourists to avoid once-popular areas), and pot shops everywhere. One need only to look to states that have legalized, or at least decriminalized, to see that most of your fears are unfounded. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 25, 2018 22:17:29 GMT
Yeah, not very helpful. Are you even old enough to remember hippies?  Well I am old enough and no republican I have talked to is voting for this. And most people I know including my family are republican. I will be surprised if this passes. I think you have to be from here to know the mind set of SOME republicans here. I know only a few dems. My mother once asked me why I would want to meat "those" people. She was talking about Dems. My in-laws were from Oklahoma. I spent some time visiting family there. It's an entirely different world from anywhere else I've been, for sure! The only one I ever talked any small bit about politics with was my grandfather-in-law and he was a Democrat. (Wonderful man.  ) I get what you're saying about some of the Republicans you know, though. They aren't limited to OK! |
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jun 25, 2018 22:42:56 GMT
Every republican I have tried to have a discussion with, but one, is voting No on this state question. In their minds, and their words, "it's a hippy liberal agenda for all the dopers to just get loaded all day and not work." They won't listen to anything regarding it otherwise. It's a frustrating attempt at a conversation. Yeah, not very helpful. Are you even old enough to remember hippies? Haha probably not. But I have a few older relatives and friends that are still living that hippy lifestyle maaaaan. 😉 |
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Post by scrapngranny on Jun 25, 2018 22:42:56 GMT
Medical marijuana didn’t cause any problems here in California that I know of. Now it is legal and the sky hasn’t fallen yet. Medical marijuana will probably. Abuse a lot less problems than the opiates they have passed out like candy for the last couple of decades.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jun 25, 2018 22:45:27 GMT
I'm not opposed to medical marijuana as a general rule, but I am voting no tomorrow (I'm not a Republican, if it matters). When/if I get onto a real laptop this evening, I'll outline my reasons for voting no, but it boils down to two things: 1. There are too many loopholes in the bill that I'm uncomfortable with, and 2. The state department of health is already corrupt and inept. It is way too easy (and likely) for them to fuck up administering a medical marijuana program here. I do have to appreciate the person who decided these laws would begin as Section 420 of the applicable statute if passed, though. Edited to add: I actually would rather see marijuana treated like alcohol and/or cigarettes across the board. If this bill were to address it in that manner, my vote would be different. Can you point out some of the loopholes? No snark, truly asking. When I read it, it seems very clear. But would love to see from other views. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 25, 2018 22:56:38 GMT
Our doctors are all up in arms about it here, too. They mostly believe that it is of the devil and people should not use it for any reason. I find that curious because a few times in the 90s I went to my doctor for sleep meds and he gave me an Rx for Tylenol #3s and lots of them. If it matters it was in Alberta and he was a specialist at the time. I don't get addicted to things so I have that going for me but writing me opioid Rxes one after the other is helpful how? I wanted sleep not pain control.
Medical marijuana here is legal and there are pot shops all over downtown. It's very easy to get a licence to use it and there are oodles of ways to consume it other than smoking it if that's what bothers someone (it bothers me).
I know people who it helps and I am going with that. You always have a choice and that is to not use it if you don't want to.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 25, 2018 23:10:45 GMT
Then in a few years, people will want to make it legal to use recreationally, since so many are already doing so. That will lead to illegal grow house raids in expensive neighborhoods, sections of town smelling terrible (causing tourists to avoid once-popular areas), and pot shops everywhere. Recreational has been legal here in WA state since 2012. I've not noticed any of the problems you've outlined, and I do stay up on the local news. Most of the pot shops blend in to the neighborhoods, some you could pass by and not even realize what they are. There IS one area of Seattle that I'm aware of with a plethora of pot shops..... Aurora Ave North. It's not a neighborhood, but part of and old Highway with fast food joints, window repair shops, and other low rent stores. It's an area you drive past. You don't stop unless you have specific business there. |
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Post by auntkelly on Jun 26, 2018 0:17:46 GMT
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Post by thundergal on Jun 26, 2018 0:24:03 GMT
This Oklahoman is voting YES tomorrow. So will I. Me too! |
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Post by compeateropeator on Jun 26, 2018 0:54:00 GMT
To the best of my knowledge we didn't seem to have many issues with medical marijuana, at least that were heavily reported on. In 6 days recreational marijuana will be come legal as well as being able to grow a few plants.  We will see what issues shake out of that. |
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Post by papersilly on Jun 26, 2018 1:48:59 GMT
Then in a few years, people will want to make it legal to use recreationally, since so many are already doing so. That will lead to illegal grow house raids in expensive neighborhoods, sections of town smelling terrible (causing tourists to avoid once-popular areas), and pot shops everywhere. Recreational has been legal here in WA state since 2012. I've not noticed any of the problems you've outlined, and I do stay up on the local news. Most of the pot shops blend in to the neighborhoods, some you could pass by and not even realize what they are. There IS one area of Seattle that I'm aware of with a plethora of pot shops..... Aurora Ave North. It's not a neighborhood, but part of and old Highway with fast food joints, window repair shops, and other low rent stores. It's an area you drive past. You don't stop unless you have specific business there. I agree with you about the pot shops. They are very well run. Many have security at the door. No seedy people hanging around outside or inside. It's actually an eclectic mix of people in there! Their employees are super friendly, knowledgeable and helpful. They are not pushy. The shops are clean and well organized. Some regular businesses should be run as well. |
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Post by Peamac on Jun 26, 2018 4:26:59 GMT
Then in a few years, people will want to make it legal to use recreationally, since so many are already doing so. That will lead to illegal grow house raids in expensive neighborhoods, sections of town smelling terrible (causing tourists to avoid once-popular areas), and pot shops everywhere. Recreational has been legal here in WA state since 2012. I've not noticed any of the problems you've outlined, and I do stay up on the local news. Most of the pot shops blend in to the neighborhoods, some you could pass by and not even realize what they are. There IS one area of Seattle that I'm aware of with a plethora of pot shops..... Aurora Ave North. It's not a neighborhood, but part of and old Highway with fast food joints, window repair shops, and other low rent stores. It's an area you drive past. You don't stop unless you have specific business there. You're very fortunate compared to here in CO. I have friends that live in a very expensive neighborhood. HOA, nice new houses, private rec center, etc. Someone bought 6 different houses in that neighborhood and used them as illegal grow houses. The FBI or DEA raided them several weeks ago. One friend lived across the street from one and was home during the raid. That same grow house owner also bought 15-20 other homes around town for grow houses. |
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Post by Peamac on Jun 26, 2018 4:35:31 GMT
Well in Colorado, about 96% of those getting med mj cards were men between the ages of 21 and 35 or so according to the Denver Post. Who knew so many men had "back pain" that could only be helped by med mj? I know several people who are genuinely helped by it, some who moved from out of state so their children could be treated with it. Unfortunately they are in the minority of users. Then in a few years, people will want to make it legal to use recreationally, since so many are already doing so. That will lead to illegal grow house raids in expensive neighborhoods, sections of town smelling terrible (causing tourists to avoid once-popular areas), and pot shops everywhere. One need only to look to states that have legalized, or at least decriminalized, to see that most of your fears are unfounded. Except that I actually do live in Colorado where it's been legalized for a while. I remember not too long ago when medical marijuana was legalized, the promises that were made, and the reports in the Denver Post (not at all a conservative newspaper) reporting about the % of 21ish-35ish year olds being "prescribed" med marijuana for "back pain". See my above post regarding illegal grow houses around Colorado Springs within the last few months. Friends from out of state who came here for DD's wedding in December and noticed the odor in the touristy areas of town. The high number of pot shops in all areas of town that I drive by going to work and running errands. People smoking marijuana while driving, even though that's illegal also. These are not "unfounded fears". These are what I observe occurring where I live. As I said before, I know several people who are helped medically by using CBD oil and other products. Unfortunately, there are many many others who don't use it responsibly or within the legal limits. |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 26, 2018 5:00:56 GMT
One need only to look to states that have legalized, or at least decriminalized, to see that most of your fears are unfounded. Except that I actually do live in Colorado where it's been legalized for a while. I remember not too long ago when medical marijuana was legalized, the promises that were made, and the reports in the Denver Post (not at all a conservative newspaper) reporting about the % of 21ish-35ish year olds being "prescribed" med marijuana for "back pain". See my above post regarding illegal grow houses around Colorado Springs within the last few months. Friends from out of state who came here for DD's wedding in December and noticed the odor in the touristy areas of town. The high number of pot shops in all areas of town that I drive by going to work and running errands. People smoking marijuana while driving, even though that's illegal also. These are not "unfounded fears". These are what I observe occurring where I live. As I said before, I know several people who are helped medically by using CBD oil and other products. Unfortunately, there are many many others who don't use it responsibly or within the legal limits. You do realize that the illegal grows were just that: illegal. I venture to guess that your argument will be that legalization prompted this person to buy a bunch of homes and grow weed there, but I would argue that anyone that bold would probably have run afoul of any marijuana laws on the books. (You keep mentioning the dollar value of the homes, as if grow houses only pop up, or only belong in, lower income neighborhoods.) I live in California. I haven't noticed any of the problems you've mentioned in my area or any of the areas in CA I frequent. |
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jun 26, 2018 5:39:32 GMT
Medical marijuana has been legal in Oregon since 1999 and recreational since 2015. I have no problem with either. Obviously recreational is a bigger deal because it's a lot more people, including people who travel here specifically for that reason. But medical? Don't know why anyone would be against that. It's a non-issue. Every republican I have tried to have a discussion with, but one, is voting No on this state question. In their minds, and their words, "it's a hippy liberal agenda for all the dopers to just get loaded all day and not work." They won't listen to anything regarding it otherwise. It's a frustrating attempt at a conversation. Ironically those are the type I know with those hard judgmental lines in the sand with the biggest drinking problems. So sad. |
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jun 26, 2018 5:45:58 GMT
It's legal here recreationally as of January. I expected to see it more, smell it, etc. Nothing changed. At all.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Jun 26, 2018 6:19:51 GMT
Where I'm from medical is legal and recreational will be legal federally in Canada. Although I live in Vancouver BC so pretty much everything goes anyway. I'll be honest though you CAN smell it all over in various parts of town. I personally hate the smell. I don't see why they smoke it when that can't be good for the lungs and second hand smoke etc. They could have it in edibles or vaping
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Post by pastlifepea on Jun 26, 2018 11:58:03 GMT
This was on our ballot here in Florida last year or the year before and it passed by like 75%. I tend to lean conservative on many fiscal issues and I was all for this. Hell, I'd have voted for it for recreational use. I think many of the problems and crime surrounding the industry are due to the fact that it is still a federal crime and as such is a cash only business. I think I read somewhere that the president is looking to sign something to either decriminalize marijuana on a federal level or at least protect states that have laws allowing it.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jun 27, 2018 2:33:56 GMT
It passed. 56% 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 27, 2018 2:43:25 GMT
Well in Colorado, about 96% of those getting med mj cards were men between the ages of 21 and 35 or so according to the Denver Post. Who knew so many men had "back pain" that could only be helped by med mj? I know several people who are genuinely helped by it, some who moved from out of state so their children could be treated with it. Unfortunately they are in the minority of users. Then in a few years, people will want to make it legal to use recreationally, since so many are already doing so. That will lead to illegal grow house raids in expensive neighborhoods, sections of town smelling terrible (causing tourists to avoid once-popular areas), and pot shops everywhere. One need only to look to states that have legalized, or at least decriminalized, to see that most of your fears are unfounded. Or founded. We have issues in our city. I'm all for medical use, but there should have been more planning before passing the recreational use. They touted the big benefit for schools, but even that was only 40 million for the entire state (could build one high school). Lots of pot in the schools (some elementary and much worse in junior high). The rental next to us (in a nice neighborhood) has been busted twice for illegal pot growing with two different renters. Swat team took out the front door. ETA: Smelling it out in public in tourist areas doesn't seem to be a problem, you smell it more in neighborhood areas. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 27, 2018 2:53:03 GMT
Where I'm from medical is legal and recreational will be legal federally in Canada. Although I live in Vancouver BC so pretty much everything goes anyway. I'll be honest though you CAN smell it all over in various parts of town. I personally hate the smell. I don't see why they smoke it when that can't be good for the lungs and second hand smoke etc. They could have it in edibles or vaping I have the cream or as they call it a "balm" and it works well. On a scale of 1-10 where 10 is dilaudid and you are comatose I think marijuana infused cream gets a solid 8. Also it smells faintly like weed but we aren't talking a joint by any means. It works very quickly. It pisses me off when people use it "all over town" and in parking lots that say NO SMOKING PERMITTED and yet people light up there. Maybe I am being petty but they aren't helping the cause. You can't drink in public and you can't toke in public. That is not negotiable. |
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Post by LeaP on Jun 27, 2018 4:35:12 GMT
Looks like the measure passed.
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I know several people who are genuinely helped by it, some who moved from out of state so their children could be treated with it. Unfortunately they are in the minority of users.
