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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 22:40:11 GMT
What about erecting string from pole to pole on public property to magically turn it into private space. Enter the eruvs. www.miaminewtimes.com/news/orthodox-jewish-eruv-in-pinetree-park-upsets-locals-6395723"Last summer, however, Baker was walking along the water when she spotted two men erecting a pair of 15-foot-tall, pale plastic poles and connecting them with a long, thin white string. When Baker asked what the men were doing, they ignored her. She threatened to call the city. "We are the city," replied a man with a bushy beard and a black hat. Soon, more poles appeared. They, too, were strung together, like a giant spider web slowly surrounding the park. Baker was baffled. "It's an eruv," one of Baker's Orthodox Jewish friends finally explained. During the Sabbath — which begins at sundown Friday and lasts until nightfall Saturday — Orthodox Jews are prohibited by scripture from engaging in a number of otherwise routine activities. One of the most onerous rules prevents the "carrying" of any object outside the home, whether keys or kids.
An eruv is a symbolic structure that blurs the boundary between private and public areas, allowing Orthodox Jews to leave their houses and push their children around in strollers on the Sabbath." Or, you know, don't make up such arbitrary unnecessary rules in the first place? How long until someone gets hurt walking or biking into a string/wire marking an imaginary "private space". Again, I am very glad to hear that El-Al changed their policy. As a woman, I will not be removed from my seat to suit a person on the fringe. These men are a fringe group. I'm by no means supporting their antiquated stance. As far as shabbat(Sabbath), this is a day for prayer and relaxation and family time. You're not supposed to work, exchange money, or anything like that. Carrying keys is work. Turning on lights is considered work. Food from Sundown to Sundown would be eaten cold, so that no one has to cook. I completely understand this and don't have issue w/it. In fact, some of my favorite Shabbats were spent with songs and laughter and good discussion. Posting an Eruv in a public place isn't OK. Again, a fringe thing. I'm trying to educate a bit, so that my religion isn't painted w/a broad brush. Like most religions there are fanatics. TY! |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 4, 2018 0:38:26 GMT
What about erecting string from pole to pole on public property to magically turn it into private space. Enter the eruvs. www.miaminewtimes.com/news/orthodox-jewish-eruv-in-pinetree-park-upsets-locals-6395723"Last summer, however, Baker was walking along the water when she spotted two men erecting a pair of 15-foot-tall, pale plastic poles and connecting them with a long, thin white string. When Baker asked what the men were doing, they ignored her. She threatened to call the city. "We are the city," replied a man with a bushy beard and a black hat. Soon, more poles appeared. They, too, were strung together, like a giant spider web slowly surrounding the park. Baker was baffled. "It's an eruv," one of Baker's Orthodox Jewish friends finally explained. During the Sabbath — which begins at sundown Friday and lasts until nightfall Saturday — Orthodox Jews are prohibited by scripture from engaging in a number of otherwise routine activities. One of the most onerous rules prevents the "carrying" of any object outside the home, whether keys or kids.
An eruv is a symbolic structure that blurs the boundary between private and public areas, allowing Orthodox Jews to leave their houses and push their children around in strollers on the Sabbath." Or, you know, don't make up such arbitrary unnecessary rules in the first place? How long until someone gets hurt walking or biking into a string/wire marking an imaginary "private space". Eruvs are erected a a height that nobody is gong to accidentally walk into it. Honestly, if you did not see the person erecting or repairing it you would not realize it was there. It looks no different than a telephone wire or a power line, and often is strung from the same poles (and yes, they have permits). Often if there is a preexisting wall it can be blessed in such a way that it counts as part of the eruv. This happened recently in my home town. There was an eruv line prior to hurricane Sandy. After the storm they rebuilt the boardwalk with a storm wall -that storm wall is now the eruv. OR, if you choose to live under arbitrary, unnecessary rules, then maybe just follow them instead of looking for ways to get out of following them. This is the part I don't get. And don't even get me started on Shabbat goyim. |
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Post by sweetandsour on Jul 4, 2018 0:58:38 GMT
A related story...my cousin was living in Montreal when a local YMCA installed frosted glass in the exercise room because Hasidic Jewish residents of the neighbourhood complained that the men could see women working out when they looked into the Y’s windows.
Uh, how about averting your eyes?
After huge backlash from its members, the Y reinstalled the clear glass months later.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 4, 2018 1:01:10 GMT
Wow this is crazy, I mean WTF I didn't know it went down like this, so barbaric and stubborn. I was imaging a polite, civilized exchange. I often see Orthodox men traveling with their whole family in the airport, they seem cheery and pleasant enough, I didn't know this is how they treat other women. Orthodox men are often very friendly to women and this is a small minority of people, not representing the norm. In modern Orthodox society things are far more progressive. I've interracted w/many Orthodox men and they are friendly, respectful and dare I say it, personable. Peas, Please don't judge based upon this stuff. Over my career I have interacted with many orthodox people most of whom were quite nice and easy to work with. However, Orthodox communities do not do themselves any favors by the type of people ( men of course ) they choose or allow to speak for them. The powers that be seem to choose the least kind among them to be thier spokes people and to represent them. And the picture presented is not often favorable. And when things like this happen it is usually perpetrated by those who think they have some sort of power and the others don’t feel it’s thier place to speak up as it would be negative, and they aren’t negative people. So the image presented to the outside world is often not a real image of who they all are as a people, but of these power hungry, jerks and thier opinions. It’s very sad to me. I hope I’m making sense |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 4, 2018 1:07:47 GMT
Orthodox men are often very friendly to women and this is a small minority of people, not representing the norm. In modern Orthodox society things are far more progressive. I've interracted w/many Orthodox men and they are friendly, respectful and dare I say it, personable. Peas, Please don't judge based upon this stuff. I've only had personal experience w/one orthodox man, in a group interview w/other men and me. He wouldn't shake my hand. Lovely. Well, no they won’t, but when I’ve been in that situation lately they have not shaken anyone’s hand so as not to point out that they wouldn’t shake mine. 30 years ago though I had a few awkward encounters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 1:36:31 GMT
I've only had personal experience w/one orthodox man, in a group interview w/other men and me. He wouldn't shake my hand. Lovely. Well, no they won’t, but when I’ve been in that situation lately they have not shaken anyone’s hand so as not to point out that they wouldn’t shake mine. 30 years ago though I had a few awkward encounters. Oh, this charming gentleman had no issue shaking the men's hands. Just not mine - pointedly. Nope, nothing awkward about that in a professional business setting. /snark. |
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Post by annaintx on Jul 4, 2018 1:45:52 GMT
I live in the part of Houston that also home to its largest Jewish communities - Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, etc. We have Orthodox Jews all around and see them walking to services on the Sabbath. I sometimes shop in the Jewish-owned local grocery store. They’re never anything but friendly. This seems to be a fringe group. One with whom I take major issue. That's my neck of the woods where I grew up...I went to the "Jewish" public high school.  It's not considered as Jewish anymore since they built a specific Jewish private school sort of in that area. Glad that company decided to make the men move. I love the idea of the last 5 rows being for men only, LOL! |
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Post by brina on Jul 4, 2018 15:05:28 GMT
Eruvs are erected a a height that nobody is gong to accidentally walk into it. Honestly, if you did not see the person erecting or repairing it you would not realize it was there. It looks no different than a telephone wire or a power line, and often is strung from the same poles (and yes, they have permits). Often if there is a preexisting wall it can be blessed in such a way that it counts as part of the eruv. This happened recently in my home town. There was an eruv line prior to hurricane Sandy. After the storm they rebuilt the boardwalk with a storm wall -that storm wall is now the eruv. OR, if you choose to live under arbitrary, unnecessary rules, then maybe just follow them instead of looking for ways to get out of following them. This is the part I don't get. And don't even get me started on Shabbat goyim. I don't disagree with you that it is ridiculous (and I actually had a babysitting job that included Shabbat goy duties. I watched the youngest two children of an orthodox cantor on high holy days while the rest of the family was at services. I would stay when they got home. Help with getting the 5 and 6 year olds to bed and then turn out the lights and let myself out of the house. I would get paid a few days later). I have never understood how carrying keys, or pushing a child's stroller, or flipping a light switch can be considered work. But an eruv does not hurt or inconvenience anybody. It is maintained by members of the community, not the municipality. It is unobtrusive - many people do not even realize they are there. It is not the same as demanding somebody else change their seat, or install frosted glass windows, or make the elevators stop on every single floor so that people don't have to push buttons. I agree with you that it is the extremist in all religions that cause problems. |
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It's not considered as Jewish anymore since they built a specific Jewish private school sort of in that area.