rodeomom
Pearl Clutcher
Refupee # 380 "I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you."
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Location: Chickasaw Nation, Oklahoma
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 16, 2018 16:01:05 GMT
Well one thing we have learned about the USA is that our checks and balances do not work.
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Post by Merge on Jul 16, 2018 16:04:46 GMT
I pulled up streaming from both CNN and Fox a bit ago. The difference in coverage is mind-boggling.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 16, 2018 16:05:10 GMT
I can't bring myself to watch it-- can someone just give the Cliff Notes version?
(I can guess it, though... "it went very well, President Putin is very nice, he said they didn't do it so I believe him, yadda, yadda, yadda...")
It continues to AMAZE me that this President is (apparently) so arrogant that he wouldn't allow anyone else to be in the room with them. I'm ASSUMING that his advisers told him it wasn't a good (i.e., STUPID) idea for them to have NO witnesses or note takers at all. Why can't they override him? Does he *really* have that level of absolute authority? Can't someone in the Intelligence Dept or DoD say to him ' we're GOING to, whether you like it or not?'
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Post by gillyp on Jul 16, 2018 16:06:01 GMT
I watched the whole lot and actually felt quite sick.
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Post by gar on Jul 16, 2018 16:06:37 GMT
(I can guess it, though... "it went very well, President Putin is very nice, he said they didn't do it so I believe him, yadda, yadda, yadda..." How did you guess?
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Post by gar on Jul 16, 2018 16:07:10 GMT
I watched the whole lot and actually felt quite sick. I tried but I couldn't bear it
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rodeomom
Pearl Clutcher
Refupee # 380 "I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you."
Posts: 3,670
Location: Chickasaw Nation, Oklahoma
Jun 25, 2014 23:34:38 GMT
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 16, 2018 16:08:14 GMT
I can't bring myself to watch it-- can someone just give the Cliff Notes version? (I can guess it, though... "it went very well, President Putin is very nice, he said they didn't do it so I believe him, yadda, yadda, yadda...") It continues to AMAZE me that this President is (apparently) so arrogant that he wouldn't allow anyone else to be in the room with them. I'm ASSUMING that his advisers told him it wasn't a good (i.e., STUPID) idea for them to have NO witnesses or note takers at all. Why can't they override him? Does he *really* have that level of absolute authority? Can't someone in the Intelligence Dept or DoD say to him ' we're GOING to, whether you like it or not?' I think every American NEEDS to watch this.
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pyccku
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by pyccku on Jul 16, 2018 16:09:29 GMT
Russia is not our ally, Putin is not our friend.
Is there anyone in the GOP who realizes this and is willing to stand up to Trump? I don't want to be living in a vassal state of Russia.
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Post by gypsymama on Jul 16, 2018 16:12:57 GMT
i feel physically ill after watching that
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rodeomom
Pearl Clutcher
Refupee # 380 "I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you."
Posts: 3,670
Location: Chickasaw Nation, Oklahoma
Jun 25, 2014 23:34:38 GMT
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 16, 2018 16:13:27 GMT
I pulled up streaming from both CNN and Fox a bit ago. The difference in coverage is mind-boggling. I think the people who watch fox news and believe them are a lost cause. There is no getting through to them. We need to stop trying. Put our energy elsewhere.
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casii
Drama Llama
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Post by casii on Jul 16, 2018 16:29:54 GMT
Russia is not our ally, Putin is not our friend. Is there anyone in the GOP who realizes this and is willing to stand up to Trump? I don't want to be living in a vassal state of Russia. So far, I've seen statements from Ben Sasse and Jeff Flake, but they're all hat, no cattle when it comes to action.
Trump is a traitor the our nation as are all those who enable him to continue his path of destruction.
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rodeomom
Pearl Clutcher
Refupee # 380 "I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you."
Posts: 3,670
Location: Chickasaw Nation, Oklahoma
Jun 25, 2014 23:34:38 GMT
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 16, 2018 16:33:30 GMT
Russia is not our ally, Putin is not our friend. Is there anyone in the GOP who realizes this and is willing to stand up to Trump? I don't want to be living in a vassal state of Russia. So far, I've seen statements from Ben Sasse and Jeff Flake, but they're all hat, no cattle when it comes to action.
Trump is a traitor the our nation as are all those who enable him to continue his path of destruction.
Yes Trump is a traitor! If you still support him after that press conference you are a traitor too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 16:33:47 GMT
I feel sick, sad and am tearful. This will be a moment in history. THIS should be enough for Republicans in Congress + Pence to get him the hell out of office now. I'm beyond embarrassed for our Country. I am beyond worried. We are watching our American President surrender to Putin. Denouncing our Intelligence Agencies is a disgrace. He didn't say ANYTHING to hold Putin accountable. We watched 2 buddies toss a ball and joke around. THIS IS SERIOUS!
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Post by withapea on Jul 16, 2018 16:42:02 GMT
I no longer have one speck of reasonable doubt that the GOP RNC are beholden to Russia. Never, ever did I think it would be so bad that the entire Republican party would enable this. I'm so disgusted and sad.
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Post by pierogi on Jul 16, 2018 16:43:01 GMT
Russia is not our ally, Putin is not our friend. Is there anyone in the GOP who realizes this and is willing to stand up to Trump? I don't want to be living in a vassal state of Russia. Don't worry, I'm sure Putin has our best interests at heart.
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rodeomom
Pearl Clutcher
Refupee # 380 "I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you."
Posts: 3,670
Location: Chickasaw Nation, Oklahoma
Jun 25, 2014 23:34:38 GMT
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 16, 2018 16:51:47 GMT
I no longer have one speck of reasonable doubt that the GOP RNC are beholden to Russia. Never, ever did I think it would be so bad that the entire Republican party would enable this. I'm so disgusted and sad. We are seeing our country destroyed. The republicans, many conservatives and some people on this board are putting their heads in the sand or worse don't care. They use words like over the top rhetoric and talk about being hypocritical like things like what Trump is doing in normal. I think history will look at some Americans the same as the German people in the 1940's.
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Post by Merge on Jul 16, 2018 16:52:43 GMT
And he wants to seat a judge on the SC who doesn't believe a sitting president can be indicted ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 16:53:09 GMT
I feel quite sick!
For god's sake America sit up and smell the coffee and do something. This man is selling your country and everyone else's that gets in his way for no more than a dime. I can't believe that there are people that are OK with this, they're totally bloody blind and stupid or they're just as treacherous.
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Post by Merge on Jul 16, 2018 16:54:53 GMT
I feel quite sick! For god's sake America sit up and smell the coffee and do something. This man is selling your country and everyone else's that gets in his way for no more than a dime. I can't believe that there are people that are OK with this, they're totally bloody blind and stupid or they're just as treacherous. Yeah, I think we're gonna need y'all to take up the reins on protecting freedom and democracy around the world. I hope we can rejoin you at some point.
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Post by Merge on Jul 16, 2018 17:00:57 GMT
Still not quite used to agreeing with Joe Walsh.
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rodeomom
Pearl Clutcher
Refupee # 380 "I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you."
Posts: 3,670
Location: Chickasaw Nation, Oklahoma
Jun 25, 2014 23:34:38 GMT
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 16, 2018 17:01:26 GMT
I feel quite sick! For god's sake America sit up and smell the coffee and do something. This man is selling your country and everyone else's that gets in his way for no more than a dime. I can't believe that there are people that are OK with this, they're totally bloody blind and stupid or they're just as treacherous.All of the above! I just wish I know what to do? I think it will take millions and millions of people in the streets. But even then the republicans may not do anything and they are in power. Most of us are powerless. Yes we can vote but that's about it. And if the other people who support him don't wake up even voting won't do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 17:09:00 GMT
^ I have no faith in our voting system right now. NONE. Nothing has been done to make it safer. Darrell Issa just basically supported Trump's words & is still not convinced that Russia interfered, even though all of our Intelligence Agencies have concluded so. This is just pathetic. I'm praying that the entire Air Force One somehow bursts into flames to end this now. (Sad and sick to even think that way, but I see no way of stopping this Presidency if Republicans in Congress won't come to America's aid.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 16, 2018 17:12:28 GMT
After this, you’ll likely see a wave of blue come November.
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anniebygaslight
Drama Llama
I'd love a cup of tea. #1966
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jul 16, 2018 17:14:26 GMT
Wake up America. This is the beginning of the end.
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rodeomom
Pearl Clutcher
Refupee # 380 "I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you."
Posts: 3,670
Location: Chickasaw Nation, Oklahoma
Jun 25, 2014 23:34:38 GMT
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 16, 2018 17:15:44 GMT
After this, you’ll likely see a wave of blue come November. I really hope so, but at this point I don't know. And it maybe to late.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 16, 2018 17:17:17 GMT
I no longer have one speck of reasonable doubt that the GOP RNC are beholden to Russia. Never, ever did I think it would be so bad that the entire Republican party would enable this. I'm so disgusted and sad. We are seeing our country destroyed. The republicans, many conservatives and some people on this board are putting their heads in the sand or worse don't care. They use words like over the top rhetoric and talk about being hypocritical like things like what Trump is doing in normal. I think history will look at some Americans the same as the German people in the 1940's. I don’t get it either. It shouldn’t be just democrats yelling for this to stop. Whether they are just burying their heads in the sand or they are ok with what is happening is one and the same at this point.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 16, 2018 17:22:37 GMT
Can someone give me the cliffs notes version of what is going on? I’m working and won’t be able to watch tv or read much until tonight. Thanks!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 16, 2018 17:38:00 GMT
Dan Rather——
There has been no shortage of historic summits in American history - but nothing like what is happening today.
No American president has ever appeared as a supplicant to a foreign power who attacked us - an attack that the intelligence community says is ongoing.
No American president has been so eager to placate a hostile foreign power. And no American president has been under a credible shadow of allegedly conspiring with a hostile foreign power.
No American president has so attacked our allies and heaped scorn on his fellow citizens while heaping praise on a hostile foreign power.
No American president has been so ill-prepared for diplomacy and statecraft and then insisted on handling negotiations with a hostile foreign power alone.
We do not know what was discussed. We will not be able to trust what President Trump or Putin say was discussed. Their words fail even the most minimum standards of political truth telling.
This is a historic summit indeed, but historic in terms of the damage it can do (and likely already has done) to our nation and a democratic world order.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 17:41:35 GMT
Good Lord people, the world is not ending. No matter how many on the left here say otherwise, no matter how loud communist voting John Brennan says it, we'll survive. We survived Obama's apology tour didn't we?
Take a deep breath.
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rodeomom
Pearl Clutcher
Refupee # 380 "I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you."
Posts: 3,670
Location: Chickasaw Nation, Oklahoma
Jun 25, 2014 23:34:38 GMT
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 16, 2018 17:42:21 GMT
Good Lord people, the world is not ending. No matter how many on the left here say otherwise, no matter how loud communist voting John Brennan says it, we'll survive. We survived Obama's apology tour didn't we? Take a deep breath. Shame on you.
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