gina
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Post by gina on Sept 18, 2014 19:45:25 GMT
Its kind of shocking really, that you don't see the problem with these signs. ![:thumbdown:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/SCylSBljj3e3QKjxF2vn.jpg)
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mallie
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Post by mallie on Sept 18, 2014 19:47:01 GMT
What's nuts is that you don't see that you are profiting by selling hurtful RACIST crap masquerading as sentimental nostalgia. Do you also sell signs that say "Irish need not apply "?
I really hope you are just pretending to be this racist because you have delusions that you are funny. That would just be stupid and stupid is as stupid does. Because otherwise, your ignorance is so deep and broad that it can only be a choice. And someone who chooses to be a racist ?
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Post by *KAS* on Sept 18, 2014 19:56:52 GMT
I can't find anything non-offensive about purposefully profiting from such a terrible time in our history. And I can't imagine a single reason anybody would need that sign in their home for any positive reason - antique or not. The signs are in history books. Isn't that enough?
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Post by chaosisapony on Sept 18, 2014 20:23:29 GMT
I agree with all the other peas. I can't believe you are surprised that people are offended by that and want the listing removed. I would not buy something from someone selling those signs regardless of if they are originals or replications. I would encourage you to think of the impact selling items of that nature could have on your whole business.
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Post by Sam on Sept 18, 2014 20:39:47 GMT
. we have a business. .retail, primitive items, vintage, etcc...Anyway we have a bunch of signs and such made from iron. One of them is old restroom sign that says "white/colored" with arrows pointing to the sides. Been a big seller...people like the history of them. But not all. Someone complained about me being racist and demanded it be removed!!! Is that nuts!? If you have a business, you may want to stick to that in terms of selling your signs. If it was a successful business on it's own, why would you need the FB page anyway? I can see why others would have a problem with this - maybe you need a more specialised FB outlet?
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Post by workingclassdog on Sept 18, 2014 20:41:48 GMT
Not trying to sound judgmental.. but I think it is wrong. I will say that if it was a real vintage sign I can see it for it's history... NOT a reproduction... that is wrong in my opinion.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 18, 2014 20:51:16 GMT
Sigh. It's just sad that we are still dealing with racism and ignorance like this. One would hope all that "evolution" would get us to a more enlightened place, but one look at the world teaches us that isn't so.
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Post by Zee on Sept 18, 2014 20:54:53 GMT
It's fucking disgusting to profit off reproduction Jim Crow signs. You say you're not a racist but I sure bet everyone buying that shit is. I can only imagine the customer base for that type of crap. I'm sure it sells as well as the Mammy/Uncle salt n pepper shakers and the confederate flag napkin holder. And even those things aren't as offensive as these signs. At least one could sort of defend their love for Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben as kindly figures, and the confederate flag as sort of just southern pride, even when the rest of the world doesn't get it. But signs for whites and coloreds? That seems to be a celebration of one of the most shameful chapters in American history. Would you also sell reproduction Nazi signs marking Jewish homes and businesses?
Do you REALLY not see why this is offensive? If you didn't at first,I hope you do now. I'm sorry to be so harsh but I think you need to really realize what it is you're selling: signs for racists. We're all familiar with the history of it no one has one of these for historical reasons. Blecccch
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 21:05:50 GMT
I don't get why you're surprised that people find you racist for selling these signs. I really don't.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Sept 18, 2014 21:14:36 GMT
Well I guess I didn't see it that way...I'm not using them in my home..Other people are. Sorry everyone feels the way they do. If I could have deleted this post earlier you bet your ass I would have. Guess I won't be around anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 21:16:06 GMT
Well I guess I didn't see it that way...I'm not using them in my home..Other people are. Sorry everyone feels the way they do. If I could have deleted this post earlier you bet your ass I would have. Guess I won't be around anymore. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 21:17:39 GMT
Well that makes it perfectly ok then ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg)
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Post by twoboyzmom on Sept 18, 2014 21:20:57 GMT
Well that makes it perfectly ok then ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) Wasn't asking for your opinion.
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Post by penny on Sept 18, 2014 21:21:58 GMT
Are these original signs or reproductions? If original, I can understand their historical value. If reproductions, then all I can say is what the absolute fu(k? Your OP sounds like they are reproductions since you have multiples of them. This. There is nothing decorative about that kind of sign... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 21:23:02 GMT
Maybe if you feel driven to leave because everyone unanimously agrees that the signs are racist, instead of running away, you should take a quiet moment and think about what we're all telling you...
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Post by penny on Sept 18, 2014 21:24:03 GMT
Why would being a reproduction matter? Those I've sold some too say they had interest in the history of the matter. I'm no way a racist person and that thought never crossed my mind. We had one and we're asked by numerous people to buy it so we got our hands on a few more.... Because, in one instance you're preserving history, in the other, you're recreating it. You said that well - the difference is preservation vs recreation... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 21:25:44 GMT
Well that makes it perfectly ok then ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) Wasn't asking for your opinion. Bite me!
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Post by twoboyzmom on Sept 18, 2014 21:33:05 GMT
Maybe if you feel driven to leave because everyone unanimously agrees that the signs are racist, instead of running away, you should take a quiet moment and think about what we're all telling you... Well once people tell u things and they "think" they know what kind of person you are it would make things a little uncomfortable. I did read all the posts...Part of me agrees. But I've never said a racist thing in my life. And I'm sorry if selling these signs didn't occur to me to be that way. .was just a sign from the past that people showed interst in...that was it. But anything I post or say from this point forward would be ridiculed. And dumb ass "Bite me" comments from immature people would become the norm.
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georgiapea
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Post by georgiapea on Sept 18, 2014 21:35:05 GMT
But it is YOU who is providing those signs. Knowing how hurtful the very thought of them are. Just this thread brings pain to my heart. Signs in store windows, signs by water fountains, little sliding windows off the ally for service, overturned school busses. And this was just my personal observation. STOP SELLING RACISM. They are ill gotten gains.
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 18, 2014 21:43:31 GMT
It makes me sad that people would want those signs. It makes me sad that people would profit from them.
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AllieC
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Post by AllieC on Sept 18, 2014 21:47:22 GMT
Not from the US but I agree with everyone else. Very offensive and the only place that a sign like this belongs is in a museum.
We have our own shameful past in relation to Aboriginal Australians and a sign like that would not fly here.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 18, 2014 21:54:47 GMT
Well that makes it perfectly ok then ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) Wasn't asking for your opinion. I don't understand this. Yes. Yes, you were asking for our opinions. You asked questions in your original post. You did ask for our opinions.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Sept 18, 2014 21:55:59 GMT
Wasn't asking for your opinion. I don't understand this. Yes. Yes, you were asking for our opinions. You asked questions in your original post. You did ask for our opinions. In the post she quoted I wasn't
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 21:56:15 GMT
I'm surprised that you're surprised.
A sign (original) like that only belongs in a museum.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 18, 2014 21:56:49 GMT
Maybe if you feel driven to leave because everyone unanimously agrees that the signs are racist, instead of running away, you should take a quiet moment and think about what we're all telling you... Well once people tell u things and they "think" they know what kind of person you are it would make things a little uncomfortable. I did read all the posts...Part of me agrees. But I've never said a racist thing in my life. And I'm sorry if selling these signs didn't occur to me to be that way. .was just a sign from the past that people showed interst in...that was it. But anything I post or say from this point forward would be ridiculed. And dumb ass "Bite me" comments from immature people would become the norm. FTR, I don't necessarily think that you're a racist for selling the signs. I've had enough lapses in judgement in my life to not dismiss someone so easily. Frankly, I don't know you and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that you were just misguided.
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Post by Pahina722 on Sept 18, 2014 21:56:51 GMT
If I had that sign in my office, I'd most likely get fired. If I had it in my home, any visitor would logically conclude that I was a racist. I don't see that selling it makes it any better or you less culpable.
Do I think you intended to be racist? No. But those who are buying the signs are. And you are facilitating the racism. I would stop selling them immediately.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Sept 18, 2014 21:57:45 GMT
Well once people tell u things and they "think" they know what kind of person you are it would make things a little uncomfortable. I did read all the posts...Part of me agrees. But I've never said a racist thing in my life. And I'm sorry if selling these signs didn't occur to me to be that way. .was just a sign from the past that people showed interst in...that was it. But anything I post or say from this point forward would be ridiculed. And dumb ass "Bite me" comments from immature people would become the norm. FTR, I don't necessarily think that you're a racist for selling the signs. I've had enough lapses in judgement in my life to not dismiss someone so easily. Frankly, I don't know you and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that you were just misguided. Thank you
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 18, 2014 21:59:11 GMT
I think part of the problem becomes, a thing is racist, or racially insensitive, or at least understandably offensive to some. What your brain wants to do is say, "I am not racist, therefore I cannot have interacted with this thing or said this thing that is racially problematic, therefore it was not racially problematic." Part of the process of learning from one another is learning when the things we do or say or associate with are indeed problematic. I hope what you take from this is, "huh, so that is why it is upsetting to people," rather than "everyone thinks I am terrible."
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Post by gsquaredmom on Sept 18, 2014 22:03:19 GMT
One of the things I like about this place is that someone reflecting and saying they learned from others here often goes a long way to keeping the poster in the community. People here are very forgiving. OP, you said you gained a new perspective. I do not think you need to remove yourself. Growth is a good thing.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Sept 18, 2014 22:04:26 GMT
One of the things I like about this place is that someone reflecting and saying they learned from others here often goes a long way to keeping the poster in the community. People here are very forgiving. OP, you said you gained a new perspective. I do not think you need to remove yourself. Growth is a good thing. Thanks the signs were taken down from the sites. But that doesn't mean people don't hold a grudge
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