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Post by needtime2scrap on Jul 27, 2021 13:17:03 GMT
I'm wondering if Claire isn't drinking the Mormon kool-aid so she "needed" a reprogramming.
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Post by threecs on Jul 27, 2021 13:50:45 GMT
I am getting the feeling I am missing something here…did BH daughter come out as homosexual? No but Becky has posted that pride this year meant something to her, as well as more pix with Heidi swapp (who’s son committed suicide). Then the camp with Claire. It’s all very suspect. I will admit I didn’t read her post too closely. “Journaling fixes everything” makes me vomit. Yeah. Becky also follows papa_ostler on instagram. He is a LDS that has a podcast featuring all kinds of fellow church members, including those who are LGTBQ, and I believe he is trying to have the Church become more accepting of those who are not the "norm".
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Post by scrapsnneedles on Jul 27, 2021 14:51:21 GMT
I think it’s funny that Becky says in her caption to the first post about this “experience,” that Anasazi is “NOT a punitive experience and Anasazi isn’t a ‘consequence for bad behavior.’” And that they “presented the idea to Claire in the spirit of supporting her on her path of growth, healing, training, life skills, and therapy. She was absolutely on-board.” And then if you go Anasazi’s profile, their biography says they are a “therapy program for youth at-risk and families in crisis.” And it’s like, girl which is it?
I wonder if Becky posting her version of the truth out to the world helps her believe her own BS. I’m not going to make assumptions on what Claire’s deal is, but the post about about her dying her hair with the dirt. I can’t imagine Becky actually thought that was cool. Becky seems like the person who would think that was dirty and below her. But if she wants to believe it’s fun, so she posts that it’s fun and maybe that becomes her truth. Just trying to figure out if this is her feeding into her own cognitive dissonance or if it’s a purposeful deception. Cause why post this about your daughter unless she was trying to convince her own self of a different truth.
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Post by Molly on Jul 27, 2021 17:40:03 GMT
I want to ask Beggy “Is nothing private?”
I’m sure she’d say it’s to help everyone going thru a questioning time, but seriously. I would never post this about my daughter. And I’d never send her to a correction camp after reading stuff online about this place in particular.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 27, 2021 17:48:06 GMT
I want to ask Begay “Is nothing private?” If they can receive money from it, it's not off limits. Her and Dear Lizzy are both horrible monsters who exploit their children for their own monetary gains.
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Post by Molly on Jul 27, 2021 18:21:00 GMT
I want to ask Begay “Is nothing private?” If they can receive money from it, it's not off limits. Her and Dear Lizzy are both horrible monsters who exploit their children for their own monetary gains. Just corrected the autocorrect in my original post—autocorrect changed Beggy to Begay. Sort of ironic? Freudian autocorrect? 😂
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Post by julie5 on Jul 27, 2021 18:45:44 GMT
I think it’s funny that Becky says in her caption to the first post about this “experience,” that Anasazi is “NOT a punitive experience and Anasazi isn’t a ‘consequence for bad behavior.’” And that they “presented the idea to Claire in the spirit of supporting her on her path of growth, healing, training, life skills, and therapy. She was absolutely on-board.” And then if you go Anasazi’s profile, their biography says they are a “therapy program for youth at-risk and families in crisis.” And it’s like, girl which is it? I wonder if Becky posting her version of the truth out to the world helps her believe her own BS. I’m not going to make assumptions on what Claire’s deal is, but the post about about her dying her hair with the dirt. I can’t imagine Becky actually thought that was cool. Becky seems like the person who would think that was dirty and below her. But if she wants to believe it’s fun, so she posts that it’s fun and maybe that becomes her truth. Just trying to figure out if this is her feeding into her own cognitive dissonance or if it’s a purposeful deception. Cause why post this about your daughter unless she was trying to convince her own self of a different truth. Oh she’s definitely trying to convince every one that this was clAires choice and that it’s not a consequence of behavior because she knows deep down IT ABSOLUTELY IS A PUNISHMEMENT. Claire is not following the good little Mormon girl book amd there is a consequence for that. That teens are willing to kill themselves to get away from the church amd it’s ideology is terrifying and it’s criminal that these rich assholes can justify they’re behavior. I’m out here spending my money on investment housing tgAt will make money for me and then eventually be a house for my at risk child to live it for his independence. They send there’s away for reprogramming. It’s funny how we’ve joked about Becky’s family science degree from byu but she recently posted that she didn’t actually get that degree for several years because David’s career and medical school was more important. Maybe Claire is thinking more *UC Berkeley instead and they said “noooooo. You need to get your wifely degree and your rich man to support you while you pump out babies”. (*Insert any other hippie school you can think of)
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Post by auntmimi on Jul 27, 2021 19:07:29 GMT
I wonder if Becky posting her version of the truth out to the world helps her believe her own BS. I’m not going to make assumptions on what Claire’s deal is, but the post about about her dying her hair with the dirt. I can’t imagine Becky actually thought that was cool. Becky seems like the person who would think that was dirty and below her. But if she wants to believe it’s fun, so she posts that it’s fun and maybe that becomes her truth. Just trying to figure out if this is her feeding into her own cognitive dissonance or if it’s a purposeful deception. Cause why post this about your daughter unless she was trying to convince her own self of a different truth. I firmly believe every word of this. She's SO ridiculously upbeat and forthright about how this was the *best* thing ever for their family. Sure Claire was super thrilled to go spend 8 weeks in primitive conditions with total strangers, no electricity, no plumbing, no privacy, and loved dying her hair with dirt because every teenager craves that type of experience in the hell of Arizona summer. Right.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 27, 2021 19:12:58 GMT
I researched the facility to see what it was about. It definitely doesn't sound like many of the places that are trying to punish children who have made poor decisions. That being said, it is NOT something that should be posted on social media for anyone to see. I believe if Claire does not end up just like her mom having to make money through social media, she will not e happy that this was shared. I wonder if BH advertising of the place provides some type of kickback.
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Post by auntmimi on Jul 27, 2021 21:03:12 GMT
I wonder if BH advertising of the place provides some type of kickback. It's a safe bet. I'm sure BH touted her "vast" social media following and all of her many sponsors.
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Post by Molly on Jul 27, 2021 21:18:41 GMT
I’m sure she’ll send a Beggy code soon.
After an experience like this people need time to transition back to their regular life. Often there’s a natural ‘high’ after an experience. I hope Claire has learned some coping skills. I can’t imagine how I’d cope with BH as a mother.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 27, 2021 21:23:56 GMT
I am getting the feeling I am missing something here…did BH daughter come out as homosexual? No but Becky has posted that pride this year meant something to her, as well as more pix with Heidi swapp (who’s son committed suicide). Then the camp with Claire. It’s all very suspect. I will admit I didn’t read her post too closely. “Journaling fixes everything” makes me vomit. journaling can sometimes be a tool used in conjunction with mental health treatment & medication. But your right, journaling alone is not going to fix a mental health problem or crisis. Insinuating that it will is unhealthy for those who need actual mental health help. I can see why it would make a person angry. As for Beggy & friends, IMO, being who you are, unique, different from others or different from what others think you should be, really is not a mental health problem by itself, it can become a problem when those around you and society do not accept who you are and try to force you to be what they would rather you be. There’s a whole segment of society from several different religious denominations just destroying their young people because they can not accept who they are. Even just not buying into said religion will make them turn on you. Try to fix you. It’s such a broken way to be. Not at all Christlike IMO.
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Post by Just T on Jul 27, 2021 22:10:19 GMT
I do not understand any mom putting stuff like this about your kids out on social media. I am the mom of adults/young adults, who have experienced lots of issues over the past 10 or so years. If I put anything about any of it on social media, my children would be absolutely mortified and livid and would probably never speak to me again.
She can say all she wants it's not punitive, and maybe the way that place operates is not punitive, but it is clear from their website that it is for troubled teens. I feel so bad for her daughter. And how did she go off to Costa Rica for a fun adventure while her daughter was at this "camp?" I don't get any of it.
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Post by Molly on Jul 27, 2021 23:17:49 GMT
I agree. This should not be on social media…for every random person to read…for ever and ever. BH could eventually scrub her account, but it is being discussed here—BH can’t remove this. Claire, her friends, teachers, neighbors, church people…can all read this. As a retired educator I am really upset about this. Children, Claire is still a child!, need to know that their personal stuff is kept private. Not “hiding” it, but not putting it out there for everyone to analyze/dissect/critique. I worry about Claire and anyone going through whatever she must be dealing with. Teenagers have a lot to deal with.
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Post by auntmimi on Jul 27, 2021 23:31:40 GMT
Now there's a new post about spoons Claire had to whittle in the woods so they could eat on the trail and how it is tapping into her creativity. No! This child needed to EAT because she was led into the wilderness with practically nothing. That's not creative. That is survival.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 23:38:54 GMT
Claire, her friends, teachers, neighbors, church people…can all read this. As a retired educator I am really upset about this. Children, Claire is still a child!, need to know that their personal stuff is kept private. It is horrible. Maybe Claire gave permission, under who-knows-what circumstances. But it should NOT be out there for PUBLIC consumption and definitely should NOT be mentioned on TWO public IGs. The laws don't give children privacy rights against their parents' thoughtless monetization. The laws need to change.
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Post by Molly on Jul 28, 2021 2:41:27 GMT
Children don’t realize the ramification of giving permission to publish something like this. Becky probably doesn’t, even though she’s a guru (gag).
Every potential employer can find this. Every potential school can find this, though it will probably be BYU so no problem there, I guess.
I do not understand the need for anyone to over share information, especially their children’s. Parents should be protecting their children from this kind of thing.
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Post by kiera on Jul 28, 2021 2:52:24 GMT
Becky either doesn't realize the ramifications, or she just doesn't care about them.
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Post by camcas on Jul 28, 2021 7:39:11 GMT
Just reading the last few posts in this thread….did I read correctly that Heidi Swapp had a son commit suicide because of not wanting to be Mormon? Not sure if I’m just tired from a miserable work day or not understanding the nuances here….sorry to be so dumb but I need the Cliff notes
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 28, 2021 8:06:12 GMT
Just reading the last few posts in this thread….did I read correctly that Heidi Swapp had a son commit suicide because of not wanting to be Mormon? Not sure if I’m just tired from a miserable work day or not understanding the nuances here….sorry to be so dumb but I need the Cliff notes We can't say that was the reason why he killed himself but Heidi did talk about Cory turning away from the LDS religion, not wanting to go to church (and being forced by his parents), etc. She has expressed regret publicly about pushing him to stay in the religion and being strict to keep "on track" (religion, school). Then shit gets weird because her mind hasn't actually switched to accepting the possibility of a non-LDS child despite the tragedy that happened to her family. She has said that all her counselling has led her to accept that there would've been plenty of time for him to return to mormonism in life. So, despite having grown and being open about her part in Cory's struggles right before his suicide, she still expects all her children to be LDS. I don't doubt this kind of religious inflexibility is also at work in the Higgins household.
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Post by camcas on Jul 28, 2021 13:23:15 GMT
Wow………just,wow…..😮
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Post by julie5 on Jul 28, 2021 13:35:09 GMT
Just reading the last few posts in this thread….did I read correctly that Heidi Swapp had a son commit suicide because of not wanting to be Mormon? Not sure if I’m just tired from a miserable work day or not understanding the nuances here….sorry to be so dumb but I need the Cliff notes We can't say that was the reason why he killed himself but Heidi did talk about Cory turning away from the LDS religion, not wanting to go to church (and being forced by his parents), etc. She has expressed regret publicly about pushing him to stay in the religion and being strict to keep "on track" (religion, school). Then shit gets weird because her mind hasn't actually switched to accepting the possibility of a non-LDS child despite the tragedy that happened to her family. She has said that all her counselling has led her to accept that there would've been plenty of time for him to return to mormonism in life. So, despite having grown and being open about her part in Cory's struggles right before his suicide, she still expects all her children to be LDS. I don't doubt this kind of religious inflexibility is also at work in the Higgins household. She’s also eluded yo the fact that he was gay. And that given more time and therapy, he could have been healed from that as well. These people…it’s too much for me. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics it takes to accept this “religion”.
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Post by jediannie on Jul 28, 2021 17:09:23 GMT
These people…it’s too much for me. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics it takes to accept this “religion”. You just summed up most religions, in my opinion. When I was deep in christianity, the outrageous justifications people had for things turned me off completely.
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Post by julie5 on Jul 28, 2021 17:58:32 GMT
These people…it’s too much for me. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics it takes to accept this “religion”. You just summed up most religions, in my opinion. When I was deep in christianity, the outrageous justifications people had for things turned me off completely. Same. When you think about the origins of the Bible, and what was excluded/deemed important enough for us plebes, it really makes you stop and think. So much of modern religion is man made. I still believe in the higher being, but I don’t put a lot of stock in the Bible. God wants me to love others and teach my children to do the same. We don’t need all the other crap.
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Post by threecs on Jul 28, 2021 21:34:43 GMT
She is inviting people to join her at a Utah meetup this weekend hosted by @questionsfromthecloset podcast. There must be someone in her circle who is questioning or is LGBTQ..
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 28, 2021 22:01:36 GMT
We can't say that was the reason why he killed himself but Heidi did talk about Cory turning away from the LDS religion, not wanting to go to church (and being forced by his parents), etc. She has expressed regret publicly about pushing him to stay in the religion and being strict to keep "on track" (religion, school). Then shit gets weird because her mind hasn't actually switched to accepting the possibility of a non-LDS child despite the tragedy that happened to her family. She has said that all her counselling has led her to accept that there would've been plenty of time for him to return to mormonism in life. So, despite having grown and being open about her part in Cory's struggles right before his suicide, she still expects all her children to be LDS. I don't doubt this kind of religious inflexibility is also at work in the Higgins household. She’s also eluded yo the fact that he was gay. And that given more time and therapy, he could have been healed from that as well. These people…it’s too much for me. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics it takes to accept this “religion”. You know, I was only thinking this. I didn't want to say anything because it was pure speculation and just a "feeling" on my part. I have pretty good instincts about things sometimes. Thank you for, in a way, validating my thoughts about this. I truly wish parents would stop ruining their children's lives in the name of religion, tradition, culture, etc. I stopped following HS and buying her products because of the feelings that I got when her son took his life, and all the public "celebrations of his life." I found it all very repulsive. I wouldn't presume to tell people how to grieve, but it was too much of a spectacle for me. I have an adult daughter who is bi, and I would never, EVER try to "counsel the bi" out of her. I'm trying very hard not to judge these women and their husbands, but it's very difficult for me.
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Post by camcas on Jul 29, 2021 1:57:36 GMT
ITA riversong1963……to my way of thinking ‘counselling ‘people to change their sexuality is like ‘Counselling” them’ to change their shoe size ,or their face shape. It’s just who they are and that’s part of the diversity that makes life interesting. There is no right or wrong just different and diverse. Blue isn’t better than green it’s just another different colour
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 29, 2021 2:22:42 GMT
She’s also eluded yo the fact that he was gay. And that given more time and therapy, he could have been healed from that as well. These people…it’s too much for me. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics it takes to accept this “religion”. It's a lot of mental gymnastics. Coincidence Utah has a high suicide rate, opioid addiction, and a lot of prescriptions for anxiety and depression?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 16:57:51 GMT
There must be someone in her circle who is questioning or is LGBTQ.. NOW she will start caring about LGBTQ issues. She seems like the typical well-off uncaring person who never gives a crap about ANYTHING unless it affects her PERSONALLY. I am proud I marched, donated, advocated for LGBTQ rights LONG before it ever affected me personally. Welcome to the club, Becks. Next time try caring because it's the right thing to do, not just because someone you love is hurting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 17:02:03 GMT
Blue isn’t better than green it’s just another different colour Sadly their "holy" books tell them that one way is better. Whether they're quoting from the bible or the BOM, they have to follow the teachings of old white mean from ages ago, rather than following the science and the mental health evidence. And that's been the problem w/the world for hundreds (thousands?) of years.
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