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Post by peachiceteas on Nov 20, 2019 8:10:35 GMT
It cracks me up when people take time out of their day to come onto this board and tell us to get over it/move on/use our time more wisely.
We are all on the same board hunny! Don’t you have anything better to do too?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 20, 2019 10:07:22 GMT
Ok, things are getting out of hand with the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. First of all, sockpuppets have been on the internet since the internet has been around. That they're being used for mass disinformation in high traffic places like Twitter to advance certain political causes is a natural evolution of their existence. But this is definitely NOT American Crafts (AC doesn't even care about Becky's brand anymore and hasn't in a long time!) or Shine Cosmetics or Beddy's or whichever other new brand du jour Becky's pushing 20% off codes for. The madness needs to stop. These brands just sign up for temporary push deals with micro and mini influencers, often packages, and couldn't care less as long as said influencer doesn't cause a major scandal online that they could be associated with.
The troll has clearly signaled references a lot of us immediately identified: expensive shoes à la Ali Edwards (we mentioned her 200+ dollar clogs in the AE thread) or Ali's custom words. They've been reading here for a while, over a year at least. Whether they're a former lurker trying to make their place known (lurkers who read heavily start feeling like they "know" the regular posters and imagine they know how they fit in the participative ecosystem they've been watching from the shadows) or a fellow 2PR member who felt the need for a second account (sockpuppet) to express themselves in a morally superior and negative manner towards the rest of the group, it doesn't really matter in the end (they just better not slip up between accounts at some point or hope nobody goes into writing style analysis or they'll be unmasked). However, it is NOT a brand Becky is associated. Imagine the long game they would need to have paid someone to troll us (read back everything in all the popular threads back to at least early 2018). No, just no.
Now can we stop feeding it? GAH. This is what they thrive on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 11:15:48 GMT
My post about Becky and her camera should have rung some bells. That predates this long drawn out whine.. All the evaluating of my intensions without just asking proves my point of this post has been obsession about a figure that does not care about you and is not going to show up to explain herself. The troll stuff is just laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 11:19:07 GMT
So troll, guru, American Crafts PR person, Becky Higgins herself and now a sockpuppet. Hilarious in it’s absurdity.
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Post by peachiceteas on Nov 20, 2019 11:40:31 GMT
I just wanted to use the word hunny on a Wednesday morning
I’ve been watching too much drag race
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 14:15:06 GMT
It cracks me up when people take time out of their day to come onto this board and tell us to get over it/move on/use our time more wisely. We are all on the same board hunny! Don’t you have anything better to do too? Cracks me up too as I can somehow post on the GS and NSBR sides, raise a family, run 2.5 companies and generally lead a fairly fulfilling life. But, in their minds, we sit over here obsessing over BH and getting nothing else accomplished in life.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 20, 2019 17:43:56 GMT
Considering this thread sits dead for chunks of time would certainly indicate that people aren't obsessed. A post here or there, especially when BH shits on the scrapbooking world (again!) certainly causes a resurface, but for the most part, there isn't much action on this thread anymore. Funny how it dying down resulted in an attentionwhore popping up when there have been plenty of other opportunities when this thread was significantly more active for them to throw their 2 cents in. Oddly enough, it turns out to be an attentionwhore that doesn't seem to have anything better to do with their time, either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 19:19:13 GMT
So Klassy!!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 20, 2019 22:27:14 GMT
Somebody always needs to have the last word. Reminds me of someone, but can’t put my finger on it.
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Post by craftymom101 on Nov 20, 2019 23:31:58 GMT
It looks like some of Becky’s customers are getting cranky on FB.
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Post by Embri on Nov 21, 2019 0:10:24 GMT
Can you blame them? It's like signing up for Netflix only to be subjected to an endless stream of door-to-door salespeople pushing Cutco, (non) essential oils, and diet crap on you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 0:32:27 GMT
Can you imagine being on a ship w/the Shine shillers live-ing all over the place? This is from Jordan Page's IG (another Mormon mommy grammer I found down the Shine rabbit hole). She, like BH and BP, did lots of lives from the ship. It might have been a fun game to run around photo-bombing their lives as they stood around the ship dispensing Deep Thoughts (TM).
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 21, 2019 3:16:21 GMT
Can you blame them? It's like signing up for Netflix only to be subjected to an endless stream of door-to-door salespeople pushing Cutco, (non) essential oils, and diet crap on you. Cutco products are actually solid. Their sales methods may be suspect.
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Post by Embri on Nov 21, 2019 5:25:25 GMT
Can you blame them? It's like signing up for Netflix only to be subjected to an endless stream of door-to-door salespeople pushing Cutco, (non) essential oils, and diet crap on you. Cutco products are actually solid. Their sales methods may be suspect. Solid yes, but highly overpriced. That plus they use predatory sales tactics and exploit their distributors is enough in my mind to lump them all into the flaming dumpster pile that is MLM's. None of which you want when signing up for movies and TV.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 6:53:21 GMT
sleepingbooty your comment about my post was uncharitable. It was an observation. That is all & nothing more. In the past two months we have had a couple of trolls pop in stirring trouble only on this thread but none of the other ones on our General Scrapbooking side (Don't know about the going ons and trolls over at NSBR). The behavior reminds me of sockpuppet trolling from companies. Like I said before it was just an observation and a small PSA not to feed trolls. To be fair I am on two forums where sockpuppet trolling is huge right now because of Prince Rapist (Royal Watching forum) & Blizzard's debacle (Gaming Forum) so this thread really reminds me of the other two even though this is very benign and quite stupid, lol. Stupid, because I mean it's tame. No insult. 2Peas Sisters- Remember we are all sisters here who love our hobby and love discussing the business side aspects of it. We care for each other. We are also real people behind monitors with real feelings. Most of us know this. Lately some of us (including me) have not been conscious of this and saying hurtful things.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 21, 2019 11:46:32 GMT
@amayalylac I wasn't doing charity, I was injecting some reality into a thread that was taking the path to fantasy territory. Don't get me wrong, fantasy is fun but when it's at the price of speculating that companies someone is somehow affiliated with, it's going too far, especially for someone who works in an industry where the influencer business is part of everyday life. Granted, now I'm on your naughty list but someone had to pull on the reins. You end your message with a peace & love sisterhood quote. However, I will point out the hypocrisy of starting it by accusing me of uncharitable behaviour. Sometimes, it's better to take something someone said on the chin and move on rather than publicly play Judge Morals while pretending to be the peacemaker at the same time. My tone was perhaps a little brash but that's one of the things I love about 2PR: the people in here are witty with a sharp edge and don't hold back when it comes to criticism. Apologies for your hurt feelings but that's all. It doesn't change the basics: no, this isn't American Crafts or any other brand Becky is influencing for right now. No way. There's no reason to speculate about that at all.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 21, 2019 12:16:01 GMT
Can you imagine being on a ship w/the Shine shillers live-ing all over the place? This is from Jordan Page's IG (another Mormon mommy grammer I found down the Shine rabbit hole). She, like BH and BP, did lots of lives from the ship. Shine Cosmetics are from Orem, Utah. They are likely Mormon-funded + founded which would explain how Becky² ended up on their influencer list. I try to keep up with the makeup industry and I've never heard about them from reputable sources, including the small makeup reviewers who dip into the indie makeup world once and again. Shine Cosmetics seems to exclusively shill through crafters and mummy bloggers. From what I can make out, they are a referral MLM structure (the least worst kind of MLM but still very much a MLM). At US$18 for a lip gloss and US$32 for a BB cream, they are pushing product like they're a major industry player. Same prices like Jeffree Star and very close to Urban Decay's. No thanks. Also, they have a lip colour named 'Blessed.'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 12:29:01 GMT
sleepingbooty It’s cool, ok? My post about sockpuppets wasn’t meant to be fantasy. I know darn good and well that Becky isn’t sending anyone over. I made examples to be cheeky and it came off wrong. Becky doesn’t give two fucks about Project Life or her fans. She is too busy cruising and going to spas. I was just being cheeky and my learning disability made me fuck up. Cool? Ido have a diability when I post. I get overly sensitive about it. That’s why I edit so much. It was just a cheeky observation. Yes, I don’t want any of us fighting anymore because of stupid trolls who flare our tempers or who provoke us. I don’t like bitches like that winning. To much hate in the real world. This is our place to be cheeky and fun. Tease about Becky vibrators and other stupid stuff. Don’t need mean bitch trolls creating hate on our online forum. I just noticed that two did that this month. My PSA was not meant to be a moral good girl high ground. I don’t want all of us turning on each other because of provokers. I already did that. I did the mean girl thing already because of a troll. I am really screwing up threads lately. My troll threads were just meant to be cheeky because sockpuppets are usually PR provoked. I do think at times some of Becky’s girls come over here and post to stir up trouble. Yes you were brash. Yes it did hurt. I am a bit fragile right now. You and I have always been cool. When I said you were being uncharitable I meant it like I would tell one of my friends. Like “Hey! Ask me if I am being stupid again but don’t scold.” I guess I should have done that in the first place. No moral high ground. Promise. I don’t want our cool sisterhood over here at Peas to be tainted by provokers.A few of us, including me, have done that because of trolls or something that hit too close at home. I hope I explained better. Especially since I am on my iPad. I know I will probably get flamed over this. Just ask me girls. I will clarify. I am really sorry about my behavior on this forum lately. I have been ugly. Seriously don’t feed the trolls or sockpuppets, lol. They are tiring.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 21, 2019 12:42:43 GMT
I was just being cheeky and my learning disability made me fuck up. Cool? Ido have a diability when I post. I get overly sensitive about it. That’s why I edit so much. It was just a cheeky observation. No problem! We're totally cool, no worries. Water, bridge, all's good. I much prefer honesty and the occasional hot coals than people pretending to be nice just for the sake of their online reputation or whatever. 😘
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:35:15 GMT
sleepingbooty I can promise you I do not hide behind my online identity. ☺️ I have a real big thing about that, especially in today’s age when our online life is more public than our real lives. I am always so shocked when these online stars take it so hard when they get caught in the real world about their bad behavior and it comes out online how horrid they really are. I always think what did you expect? I do try to post kind and positive because that’s how I am in real life. I also know typing something and vocalizing it are always going to be taken in a different context. I do know I can come off wrong quite often. I always just ask everyone not to flame and just ask me to clarify. I am not going to make excuses. I will own it. I screw up but a lot of times It was because I was being cheeky and funny. It came out bad, stupid or confusing. Trust me since I have been on 2peas since the original I have always thought be myself I could meet a Pea at Michael’s. ☺️ I want them to know that I am the same girl in real life as in my online life. Seriously so many of us already know each other in real life it is really stupid to hide behind our online identity. Those who have met me IRL know I have a hearing impairment and a disability from it. They also told me I am super sweet too. That they didn’t realize I was so sweet. I am thinking “What did you really think?” Lol. I do feel bad about my post came off as a high moral ground. I am about as moral as a duck, lol. I am tired of all the fighting caused by trolls. We are smarter than them. I was just trying to be kind and gentle. I really should have typed “psssst, bitches are crazy, don’t let them get to us.” ☺️ I do like our sisterhood over here. I think it’s unique. I do think some of us have been a bit bitchy lately. Let’s just be bitchy together and not to each other. Thank you for being kind about my reply. I was not trying to flame you. I get a little comfortable around you all and get complacent thinking you will get what I mean. I know you all don’t know what I mean. I don’t mind flames. I just don’t like it on intimate boards like ours. Original 2peas it was par for course. Ignore it or don’t survive or even worse end up on the smack blog. Here, it just seems more personal as a real life friend is attacking you. I know everyone I am posting at my wrong time. I don’t feel good and a lot of stop/go on my freelance work. I have been trying to finish threads on three boards since one this morning.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 21, 2019 13:46:15 GMT
I was just being cheeky and my learning disability made me fuck up. Cool? Ido have a diability when I post. I get overly sensitive about it. That’s why I edit so much. It was just a cheeky observation. No problem! We're totally cool, no worries. Water, bridge, all's good. I much prefer honesty and the occasional hot coals than people pretending to be nice just for the sake of their online reputation or whatever. 😘 I think being nice all the time and turning the other cheek would ruin my online reputation. 😁Nothing rankles me more than the hypocritical kindness brigade telling me women shouldn’t be critical of other women. I’ll be critical when I feel it’s warranted, I don’t need anyone policing my online behavior. It’s the antithesis of feminism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 14:02:53 GMT
Can you imagine being on a ship w/the Shine shillers live-ing all over the place? This is from Jordan Page's IG (another Mormon mommy grammer I found down the Shine rabbit hole). She, like BH and BP, did lots of lives from the ship. Shine Cosmetics are from Orem, Utah. They are likely Mormon-funded + founded which would explain how Becky² ended up on their influencer list. I try to keep up with the makeup industry and I've never heard about them from reputable sources, including the small makeup reviewers who dip into the indie makeup world once and again. Shine Cosmetics seems to exclusively shill through crafters and mummy bloggers. From what I can make out, they are a referral MLM structure (the least worst kind of MLM but still very much a MLM). At US$18 for a lip gloss and US$32 for a BB cream, they are pushing product like they're a major industry player. Same prices like Jeffree Star and very close to Urban Decay's. No thanks. Also, they have a lip colour named 'Blessed.' Of course they do. I found another Becky-adjacent rabbit hole in looking at Rad Swimsuits. BH and Jordan (above) are both shilling for them as well. It's like there's a giant mormon bubble where one mormon mom (as the front) gets to have a particular product (scrapbooks/wrappging paper , lip stick, swimsuits) and then all the other mormon moms shill for each other. What I found from the Rad folks was a YT channel where their 4 daughters do really silly things like yell out of car windows and post the videos. Mmmmkay. It's fun to peek at that world from a distance. Wouldn't want to live in it. My kids would be HORRIFIED if I commoditized their lives that way. At least BH doesn't use her kids to make money (that I know of).
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 21, 2019 14:39:08 GMT
What I found from the Rad folks was a YT channel where their 4 daughters do really silly things like yell out of car windows and post the videos. Mmmmkay. It's fun to peek at that world from a distance. Wouldn't want to live in it. My kids would be HORRIFIED if I commoditized their lives that way. At least BH doesn't use her kids to make money (that I know of). I'm 4:56 in and quitting this video. What am I even watching? Is this their version of fun? They literally stopped in front of a skater park with young teens going in with their skateboards and yelled: "Skate or die, dudes" at them. It's so bad I can't even bring myself to find this cringe-worthy. Kidsploitation YouTube needs to die a quick death. They're children. They deserve privacy until they're old enough to decide for themselves what to do with their identity in the public sphere and the ramifications of it. Don't get me started on the other issues related with children being on camera for public consumption throughout their childhood. They shouldn't be promoting the parents' business or making money for the family by being public faces. Smokey Glow's take on family vlogging sums up exactly how I feel about all of this:
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 21, 2019 14:55:46 GMT
I do feel bad about my post came off as a high moral ground. I am about as moral as a duck, lol. I am tired of all the fighting caused by trolls. We are smarter than them. I was just trying to be kind and gentle. I really should have typed “psssst, bitches are crazy, don’t let them get to us.” ☺️ I do like our sisterhood over here. I think it’s unique. I do think some of us have been a bit bitchy lately. Let’s just be bitchy together and not to each other. You shouldn't feel bad. It worked out just fine. I think we're all on the same page re: trolls and drama queens and that's the happy conclusion. If it helps ease your mind in any way: the French are often seen by outsiders as argumentative. We had an American tourist interrupt us at a café once asking if it wouldn't be better to talk about another subject that was less upsetting. Thing is, we weren't upset at all. We were all members of the French Young Socialists (MJS) and debating about whether we wanted to annotate officially that the feminist clause should come up earlier in the prologue to the national manifesto we were voting on or not. To the American, we were fighting at a café terrace and having a bad time but we were actually having an interesting conversation that was going places and eventually help us make that decision. I get a little comfortable around you all and get complacent thinking you will get what I mean. And I want you - and every other regular in here! - to feel comfy around me. It's a good thing. Let's encourage that. This should be a wear-your-proverbial-PJs place. Like lisacharlotte pointed out, it's also healthy to push back a little here and there, whichever side it's from, when deemed necessary (which is subjective, of course) and then have a little back-and-forth convo that clears everything up. I'm so happy this board exists, especially with the rise of ever-polished, fingerwagging communities, particularly in the scrap and crafty sphere. This is the good place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 19:25:58 GMT
Move on like Becky has? Only problem there is that she hasn't. She refuses to be straight forward and honest because most of her followers are still hanging onto hope that scrapbooking will come back. If she says she is done, she will have no one to shill to. So she continues to lie and mislead people. All the more reason to continue educating people on her dishonesty and entitlement issues. Exactly. Her base was made by her scrapbook following. And now she is too good to even use the word scrapbooker. By her own admission.
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Post by Night Owl on Nov 21, 2019 20:39:25 GMT
In that picture of Becky and David (her husband) with the other Influencers (?) they look like an older couple that photobombed the cool kids picture. ... I'll see myself out and brace myself for the handslaps.
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Post by cbscrapper on Nov 21, 2019 23:31:01 GMT
In that picture of Becky and David (her husband) with the other Influencers (?) they look like an older couple that photobombed the cool kids picture. ... I'll see myself out and brace myself for the handslaps. But can we talk about how awkward Becky P looks in the back row? (That is her, right?)
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Post by scrappintoee on Nov 22, 2019 0:18:24 GMT
Night Owl ....No handslaps from meee! Weeeelllll, I couldn't resist taking a look at that pik, andnnnd, I'm no expert at guessing ages, but everyone (except for the aforementioned 2 couples) appears to be in their twenties. cbscrapper ---I see what you mean....but I think it's one of those unfortunate times when a person wasn't READY for the photo to be taken, and the camera caught them RIGHT before they smiled, or acted wayyyyy too happy! Aww....isn't it lovely to CULTIVATE such a constantly busy, laughing, INTENTIONAL, HAPPY, child-free, TRANSPARENT, making INSTANT besties and socializing with anyone and everyone life ? Annnd, photograph and/or video every single PERFECT photo and share them with EVERYONE! Oh, and don't forget----buying things for your house from Home Depot, Lowe's, etc. is NOT good enough!!! ( sorry, I still can't get over what BH said about the CUSTOM, PERFECT house numbers she got for their new cold, cinder-block warehouse home---because store bought ones are NOT special OR INTENTIONAL enough!) =================================== Wowww!!! I just went down quite the rabbit hole of youtube!!!!!! sleepingbooty ---I enjoyed "Smoky Glow" and --wow--- I must live under a ROCK, becuzzzz.....I had NO IDEA that family vloggers can make a LIVING doing this? She said some make MILLIONS ! ? ! ? On Youtube? WHATTT?? I just HAD to search for that Ace Family / Spencer Gifts/ phallic lollipop vid.... I didn't watch the whole thing, but IF they showed the little girl licking it, imagine how pedophiles would enjoy that! Aside from that, I enjoyed "Smoky Glow's" rapid speech pattern, her personality, and more importantly---- what she said, (I learned a lot!) AND, I was fascinated by her beautiful makeup application! ============================================= OMG, the "Shuman Show" (or whatever it's called) The Mom----grabbing people's ankles at a wedding reception----UGH! Is she like.....fourteen? These poor kids might end up HUMILIATED because umm.....kids at their school might be CRUEL! I'm thinking they might even be bullied a bit for these videos! I truly hope that is NOT true, but....wow! The DAD----seriously? "Skate or die, dudes....ohhh, we KNEW those kids" Does this Dad have a JOB? Why does he talk like he's 13 ? Her friends thought the man in the other car would think she was flirting....oh my! The young girl yelling to that guy to "stop running from your problems!" (okay, maybe they were just being funny and they knew the guy---but IF they didn't, isn't that also RISKY to just yell weird, stupid things at random strangers?) I seriously worry that those poor children are in danger! You can't just YELL at people! Does ANYone actually watch these entire videos? I couldn't BEAR to hear any of their voices after a few minutes---ESPECIALLY the parents!!!
=============================================== Wow, such a long post! Excuse me while I go re-apply my "blessed" lip gloss and ask DH to take TRANSPARENT , honest, soul-bearing, sans makeup photos of me before, during, and after my INTENTIONAL hike!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 4:03:12 GMT
Excuse me while I go re-apply my "blessed" lip gloss and ask DH to take TRANSPARENT , honest, soul-bearing, sans makeup photos of me before, during, and after my INTENTIONAL hike! in your super mod shapeless dress and booties.
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Post by Embri on Nov 22, 2019 7:58:52 GMT
I'm incredibly glad I grew up in an age where photos were confined to family occasions and only kept in photo albums. My life isn't strewn across the internet for anyone to find, unlike many of today's kids and that just isn't fair for them. It really sucks - other kids are cruel and I doubt many parents are thinking that they're handing over all the ammunition in the world to future bullies when they post their kid's everyday moments.
Even worse when your own parents have turned the family into a business. The posted video touched on this but what is most prevalent in my mind is these family v-loggers see nothing wrong with bribing their kids for content. What child is going to resist a toy shopping spree, video game console, or other coveted gift? Even worse most of them want to make their parents happy, at least at first. It seems like an innocent family activity, until it's not anymore. Most importantly it takes away a child's private space. At any moment they could end up being filmed, they have nowhere to get away or any reasonable chance of saying no when they're completely dependent on their parents for the basic necessities of life.
No one deserves to be raised as a public exhibit.
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