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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 26, 2018 18:14:40 GMT
Kyle Griffin.... “In three politically important Midwest states —Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota — Trump's job approval rating is below 40%, and Democrats hold a sizable lead for the upcoming congressional midterms, according to new NBC News/Marist polls.” Let’s hope it holds. Michigan State elections are this November. Our legislature swings more republican than our swing state status in presidential elections might suggest. If you are watching Michigan, don't feel discouraged if Republicans maintain state control. Look at the degree of change within the state. Just my humble opinion.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 26, 2018 18:18:23 GMT
I agree. I pointed those things out, but she is also someone that blames Hillary for Bill’s cheating (and when I asked her she would feel about her daughter being blamed for her husband’s cheating—if that ever happened—she said I was attacking her). She also feels that Christians are being persecuted, posted racist memes about obama and immigrants, and made fun of my mom and others of us who tried to fact check things she shared on Facebook. She was my favorite aunt growing up and I never would have thought that she would be like that. But she has now shown who she is and I won’t forget it. People can say that the divide is due to politics or “not respecting the other persons opinions.” But it is so much more.In other words, she's drinking the kool-aid. I'm sorry, that must be very hard for you. I agree with your bolded statement completely. I've said it before and I will keep repeating it. Differing political beliefs have never been a real issue with my husband or most of the people I know until this administration. You (general) can make up excuses why it is the damn liberals' fault all you want. But until you can understand why I have a problem with an administration that is so dangerous and divisive, and is purposefully bringing sexism/racism/xenophobia/religious intolerance/etc. to a boiling point with a leader that exhibits all of these qualities, and your political party (in power btw) is doing nothing about it...and you're okay with that? I don't have much to say to you about politics and I'm perfectly okay with that. This is not a difference of opinion it's a difference of values. If burying your head in the sand makes you fell better, here's a bucket. If being purposefully obtuse about it works for you, fine. If you're getting what you want in other ways so you are willing to overlook it? Totally your right. But then don't feign indignation and throw out "you made me vote this way" or "I didn't vote for him" (but I'm not opposing him either and will defend him) as a defense. You have no valid defense for accepting this and I don't want to hear it. Well said! I have another cousin who just joined Facebook shortly after the election (and therefore missed the drama between family during the campaign). She posted something about trump on a comment that I made. We messaged back and forth a little and she said that she wanted a Republican President but was concerned about trump and how he was acting I said that he wasn’t acting any different than he had for years. I don’t remember all of the exchange but I said something about believing in equal rights, human rights, ending racism, etc. She said she believed in those things as well. I said that those beliefs aren’t in line with the current republicans in power as well as their policies. She said that she was always interested in assessing things and Finding out where she stands. I wonder what her political thoughts are now. She is not active on Facebook and lives in another part of the country from me.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 26, 2018 18:41:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 18:52:52 GMT
Melania trump.,,
“Planning is underway for this year’s #Christmas at the @whitehouse! There is still a lot of work to be done, but I hope everyone will enjoy our final holiday vision for the People’s House.”
I think the best Christmas gift the majority of American people could receive from you and your husband is that you weren’t living in the people’s house.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 26, 2018 18:56:02 GMT
Melania trump.,, “Planning is underway for this year’s #Christmas at the @whitehouse! There is still a lot of work to be done, but I hope everyone will enjoy our final holiday vision for the People’s House.” I think the best Christmas gift the majority of American people could receive from you and your husband is that you weren’t living in the people’s house. Why is this their final vision? Oh, nevermind I see what she's saying. She means final version doesn't she? Damn. Had hope for for about 30 seconds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 18:57:06 GMT
Kyle Griffin.... “In three politically important Midwest states —Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota — Trump's job approval rating is below 40%, and Democrats hold a sizable lead for the upcoming congressional midterms, according to new NBC News/Marist polls.” Let’s hope it holds. Michigan State elections are this November. Our legislature swings more republican than our swing state status in presidential elections might suggest. If you are watching Michigan, don't feel discouraged if Republicans maintain state control. Look at the degree of change within the state. Just my humble opinion. He is talking about the Congressional races and not the state. As red as your state is, enough Republicans may vote Democratic for their Congressperson if for no other reason then to rein in trump. Or not. We won’t know until November.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 26, 2018 19:00:50 GMT
Michigan State elections are this November. Our legislature swings more republican than our swing state status in presidential elections might suggest. If you are watching Michigan, don't feel discouraged if Republicans maintain state control. Look at the degree of change within the state. Just my humble opinion. He is talking about the Congressional races and not the state. As red as your state is, enough Republicans may vote Democratic for their Congressperson if for no other reason then to rein in trump. Or not. We won’t know until November. No, no I understood. I am not quite confident it will be enough to flip a seat. We'll see. I live in Bishop's district and he has pretty much gotten in bed with Trump. It could possibly be a flip.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 19:34:26 GMT
I like Paul Waldman. His latest from the Washington Post..
“Trump’s most ardent defenders are a bunch of clowns”
“President Bill Clinton, it was often said, was unendingly fortunate in his enemies. Whatever his mistakes and transgressions, his salvation would come in the form of Republicans consumed by loathing, eager to believe any ludicrous conspiracy theory, possessed of dreadful political judgment and unable to tamp down their worst instincts. Over and over, the American public looked at the controversies of his presidency and said: “I don’t approve of what he supposedly did; but my God do those Republicans need to put a sock in it already.” President Trump’s panoply of sins make Clinton look like a living saint by comparison. And his most ardent defenders in Congress are such a bunch of extremist buffoons that they make even the Republicans who impeached Clinton over an extramarital affair look smart and reasonable. It would be hard enough to advocate for Donald Trump if you were highly skilled and had a keen political sense; with this group of nincompoops behind him, Trump is worse than alone.
You may think I’m being unfair to these committed public servants, but let’s take a look at their latest antics:
Conservative lawmakers on Wednesday introduced a resolution calling for the impeachment of Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, in a move that marks a dramatic escalation in the battle over the special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
The effort, led by Reps. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), also sets up a showdown with House Republican leaders, who have distanced themselves from calls to remove Rosenstein from office. But Meadows and Jordan stopped short of forcing an immediate vote on the measure, sparing Republican lawmakers for now from a potential dilemma.
And today, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), who is considering a run to replace Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) as speaker, said he supports the move. And guess who else is running for speaker: Jim Jordan.
Just so it’s clear, the real purpose of this farcical battle members of the House Freedom Caucus are having with Rosenstein is to offer a justification for Trump to fire him, whereupon he could install a lackey whom he would then order to fire special counsel Robert Mueller, or to constrain Mueller’s investigation.
They’ve been fighting with Rosenstein over large numbers of documents they’ve been demanding relating to both the Russia investigation and the probe into Hillary Clinton’s emails. But as The Post story above notes, even Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the Inspector Javert of Benghazi, “said he believed that the Justice Department officials were making progress toward complying with the subpoena and that impeaching Rosenstein would be a bad idea.” Ryan said today that progress was being made on getting all the documents the Freedom Caucus members want. Ryan opposes this impeachment resolution not only because it’s ridiculous, but also almost certainly because knows how terrible it looks, especially when Republicans are trying to argue that if Democrats take the House, they’ll do something crazy like impeach the president.
But to understand the effort to impeach Rosenstein in all its harebrained majesty, you have to look at the document itself. Allow me to summarize its five articles:
Article I: A group of conservative House Republicans asked for a second special counsel to investigate the supposed FBI conspiracy against Donald Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessions rejected their demand. Rod Rosenstein hasn’t recused himself from investigating the supposed abuses the non-existent second special counsel would have investigated. Therefore, Rod Rosenstein must be impeached and removed from office.
Article II: Rosenstein hasn’t produced documents Republicans have demanded in a timely enough fashion. Therefore he must be impeached and removed from office.
Article III: Some documents that have been given to Congress contain redactions that Republicans find unnecessary. Therefore, Rosenstein must be impeached and removed from office. Article IV: The public version of the memo Rosenstein wrote laying out the parameters of Robert Mueller’s investigation contains redactions. Therefore, Rosenstein must be impeached and removed from office. Article V: The Steele dossier was used as part of the application to obtain a FISA warrant in 2016 to surveil Carter Page. Therefore, Rosenstein must be impeached and removed from office.
If you’re clever and informed, you might have caught an important fact about that last article of impeachment. In 2016, when the initial FISA warrant was approved, Rod Rosenstein was not deputy attorney general. He was a U.S. attorney in Maryland, a position he had held since being appointed by George W. Bush in 2005. He didn’t become deputy attorney general until April 2017, when he was appointed to that position by Donald Trump. While the FISA warrant for Page was renewed multiple times in 2017 (and approved by multiple judges), and as the resolution breathlessly notes, Rosenstein did indeed sign one of the renewal applications, the resolution specifically focuses on the initial warrant application in 2016.
Perhaps the Freedom Caucus crusaders will amend the articles of impeachment to include Article VI: Unauthorized use of a time machine.
As inane as Articles I through IV are, I can’t quite get past Article V. When they were drafting this, didn’t anyone pipe up and say, “Um, wait a second fellas, wasn’t that FISA warrant for Page approved while Obama was still president?” Apparently not.
And this is hardly the first time the president’s defenders in the House have said, “Oh boy, we’ve really got Mueller now!” only to beclown themselves in spectacular fashion. You may remember the “Nunes memo,” which they hyped for weeks as the definitive proof that the entire Mueller investigation was based on a lie, but which turned out to be a pathetic jumble of misleading assertions and absurdly tendentious arguments; it was such a dud that even many Republicans quickly distanced themselves from it.
Then, when Republicans called FBI agent Peter Strzok to testify this month, they thought they’d finally discredit the Mueller investigation, but instead the hearing turned into a circus of ridiculous charges and shouted insults; by the end, Strzok looked like the most reasonable person in the room and the Republican members of Congress once again looked like utter buffoons. And when the FISA warrant for Page’s surveillance was released publicly last week, the fantastical claims Republicans made about how unfair it was were even further discredited.
If I were Trump, I’d be looking for more helpful friends. The problem seems to be that no one with any sense wants to make themselves into a Trump defender, not only because it’s so hard to argue that an unprecedented attack on American democracy shouldn’t be investigated, but also because once you start defending Trump, who knows what you’ll wind up having to humiliate yourself by publicly justifying.
I’m not saying you have to be an idiot to defend Trump. In fact, mounting such a defense with any degree of effectiveness would require an extraordinary nimble mind (in addition to flexible morals). But maybe it isn’t a coincidence that some of the biggest clowns in Washington are the ones most eager to stick up for him.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 26, 2018 19:56:18 GMT
Rep Jim Jordan... “We can't get answers for the American people if we can't get information from the DOJ. It’s time to impeach Rod Rosenstein. “ Information fot the American People or for trump. The problem is that there is info that no one outside the investigators should have. Evidence is not put on the table until the last minute before 'trial' after everything is in place to move forward. AND the Republicans in Congress are sharing too much info with others, including the WH. One of the main leakers is Nunes!
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 26, 2018 20:16:08 GMT
Michigan State elections are this November. Our legislature swings more republican than our swing state status in presidential elections might suggest. If you are watching Michigan, don't feel discouraged if Republicans maintain state control. Look at the degree of change within the state. Just my humble opinion. He is talking about the Congressional races and not the state. As red as your state is, enough Republicans may vote Democratic for their Congressperson if for no other reason then to rein in trump. Or not. We won’t know until November. I live in MI. I will completely shocked if the dems win, big or small. Esp in my little corner of the state. I have hope. Every time Fred Upton runs our area inches a little more closer to purple. Maybe someday it will go blue. But probably not in the near future.
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Post by imsirius on Jul 26, 2018 20:30:19 GMT
Round 2
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Post by imsirius on Jul 26, 2018 20:31:45 GMT
He is dumber than a plant.
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Post by pierogi on Jul 26, 2018 20:58:34 GMT
He is dumber than a plant. You can really see how he went bankrupt multiple times. Including running a casino.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 21:30:23 GMT
Kyle Griffin....
“New NBC News/Marist Midwest state governor polls:
Wisconsin: Evers (D) 54%, Walker (R) 41% Michigan: Whitmer (D) 47%, Schuette, (R) 38% Minnesota: Swanson (D) 51%, Pawlenty (R) 40% / Walz (D) 51%, Pawlenty (R) 40%”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 21:46:27 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
“It's been about 20 minutes and I'm still processing that the President of the United States said, "the big, fat, sloppy United States" when talking about trade with China.”
He seems to be on a roll.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 21:54:33 GMT
Susan Simpson....
“Trump is falsely claiming that when he spoke to Obama after the election, Obama was on the brink of going to war with North Korea. His supporters cheer enthusiastically, pleased with their president for having saved the world from this imaginary war.”
My first thought was no way. But then I thought well maybe and I remembered who was saying it and it went back to no way, once again trump is making stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 22:05:19 GMT
He is talking about the Congressional races and not the state. As red as your state is, enough Republicans may vote Democratic for their Congressperson if for no other reason then to rein in trump. Or not. We won’t know until November. I live in MI. I will completely shocked if the dems win, big or small. Esp in my little corner of the state. I have hope. Every time Fred Upton runs our area inches a little more closer to purple. Maybe someday it will go blue. But probably not in the near future. My corner is pretty red/purple. Upton and Bizon keeps running. Bizon used to be an ENT in my city. I hated him as a kid, gave me the creeps. People don't admit they're Democrats/liberals in my area.
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Post by Montannie on Jul 26, 2018 22:45:41 GMT
And this is hardly the first time the president’s defenders in the House have said, “Oh boy, we’ve really got Mueller now!” only to beclown themselves in spectacular fashion. I love the word "beclown." That is all.
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Post by cade387 on Jul 26, 2018 22:50:43 GMT
He is talking about the Congressional races and not the state. As red as your state is, enough Republicans may vote Democratic for their Congressperson if for no other reason then to rein in trump. Or not. We won’t know until November. I live in MI. I will completely shocked if the dems win, big or small. Esp in my little corner of the state. I have hope. Every time Fred Upton runs our area inches a little more closer to purple. Maybe someday it will go blue. But probably not in the near future. I’m in MI as well. Thankfully our current idiot is not running again. The R running is awful. I know him from awhile back and his attitude towards women aligns with Trump very well. 🤮 I’m hoping a Democrat emerges from the primary who can beat him. The current guy pissed a lot of folks off and r fused town halls, so people are pretty fired up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 22:52:45 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
“Documents reviewed by The AP show that Natalia Veselnitskaya, the lawyer who met with Don Jr., Kushner and Manafort in June 2016, worked more closely with Russian government officials than she previously let on.”
Too many consequences for there not to be something there.
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Post by peasquared on Jul 26, 2018 23:38:05 GMT
Melania trump.,, “Planning is underway for this year’s #Christmas at the @whitehouse! There is still a lot of work to be done, but I hope everyone will enjoy our final holiday vision for the People’s House.” I think the best Christmas gift the majority of American people could receive from you and your husband is that you weren’t living in the people’s house. Why is this their final vision? Oh, nevermind I see what she's saying. She means final version doesn't she? Damn. Had hope for for about 30 seconds. Me too! Maybe she's prophetic. I'm holding out hope for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 0:02:41 GMT
Bill Browder...
“BREAKING: Russian government announces opening of a new criminal case against me and various US officials involved in the creation of the Magnitsky Act and the investigation into Russian organized money laundering in US connected to Magnitsky case mid.ru/foreign_policy…”
Any guesses why Russia is doing this? (Mueller )
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 27, 2018 0:12:01 GMT
Bill Browder... “BREAKING: Russian government announces opening of a new criminal case against me and various US officials involved in the creation of the Magnitsky Act and the investigation into Russian organized money laundering in US connected to Magnitsky case mid.ru/foreign_policy…” Any guesses why Russia is doing this? (Mueller ) Oh yes, Mueller for sure! And dt thought it might be a good idea to have Russians question Americans in Russia!?!?!? American travelers to Russia best better be extremely careful!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 1:23:03 GMT
linkCNN.... “ Cohen claims Trump knew in advance of 2016 Trump Tower meeting”
From the article.. CNN) Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton, sources with knowledge tell CNN. Cohen is willing to make that assertion to special counsel Robert Mueller, the sources said. Cohen's claim would contradict repeated denials by Trump, Donald Trump Jr., their lawyers and other administration officials who have said that the President knew nothing about the Trump Tower meeting until he was approached about it by The New York Times in July 2017. Cohen alleges that he was present, along with several others, when Trump was informed of the Russians' offer by Trump Jr. By Cohen's account, Trump approved going ahead with the meeting with the Russians, according to sources. To be clear, these sources said Cohen does not have evidence, such as audio recordings, to corroborate his claim, but he is willing to attest to his account. Cohen privately testified last year to two Congressional committees investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election. A source familiar with Cohen's House testimony said he did not testify that Trump had advance knowledge. Cohen's claims weren't mentioned in separate reports issued by Republicans and Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee. Contacted by CNN, one of Cohen's attorneys, Lanny Davis, declined to comment. Rudy Giuliani, the President's attorney, said of Cohen, "He's certainly a source that is not credible." Donald Trump Jr. has been professional and responsible throughout the Mueller and Congressional investigations," said Alan Futerfas, an attorney for Donald Trump Jr. "We are very confident of the accuracy and reliability of the information that has been provided by Mr. Trump, Jr., and on his behalf." According to people who have discussed the matter with Cohen, he has expressed hope that this claim about the Trump Tower meeting will help him reach out to Mueller and possibly lessen his legal troubles. He's under scrutiny by federal prosecutors in Manhattan after Mueller referred Cohen's case to them. The June 2016 meeting was arranged after a publicist who knew Trump Jr. told him in emails -- in no uncertain terms -- that a senior Russian official "offered to provide the Trump campaign" with damaging information about Clinton, and that the outreach was "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump." At the time, the Russian operation to covertly boost Trump's candidacy wasn't publicly known. Trump. Jr. responded, "if it's what you say, I love it," and started to arrange the meeting.” 💣 💥 BOOM!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 27, 2018 1:26:57 GMT
Kyle Griffin.... “New NBC News/Marist Midwest state governor polls: Wisconsin: Evers (D) 54%, Walker (R) 41% Michigan: Whitmer (D) 47%, Schuette, (R) 38% Minnesota: Swanson (D) 51%, Pawlenty (R) 40% / Walz (D) 51%, Pawlenty (R) 40%” I can’t believe Pawlenty is polling that high. He was a HORRIBLE governor.
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Post by imsirius on Jul 27, 2018 2:16:55 GMT
Let the unravelling begin...
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Post by imsirius on Jul 27, 2018 2:21:55 GMT
First of all...man those 100 plus year old parents will be THRILLED,
Secondly, didn't Trump say they were returned weeks ago?
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