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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 5:29:22 GMT
NAMBLA is nothing new. They are shameless pedophiles. But the world is NOT a more depraved place than it used to be. People just have more information now. Sometimes that's a sad thing. I would need to see some factual evidence in place of an anonymous Facebook share to know what exactly is going on and what can be done to stop the damage. Somehow this feels like another one of those "it's all the immoral liberals' fault" things. Pedophilia is as old as the human race. NAMBLA has been around as long as I can remember. There is no P in LGBTQA. Pedophiles of any description are not included. I can't help but believe we'd all be better off if we took sex out of politics. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 5:55:14 GMT
There’s no actual evidence of any of that being real, though. A reverse google image search of the supposed flier from the post brought up a tweet from what appears to be some kind of bot, and a post on 4Chan. Other than that, the podcast Facebook page is the only place that image is referenced. I can’t imagine if that kind of image was actually posted that it’d go so unnoticed by literally anyone else. This leads me to believe that the flier (at the very least) is likely fabricated to create an image to go along with the story. Either way, while pedophiles do exist and are horrible, I can’t find any credibility to this alt-right shock jock’s claims about “growing numbers” or men and women attempting to normalize this behavior. From your link... That's something that seems worth talking about - people who are attracted to children and who do not wish to carry out those desires. Should they have a group? Why not. Anything to keep them from predatory behavior seems like a good idea. Unless, of course, the benign sounding label is an excuse for pedophiles to meet and be more easily able to encourage desires & share their tips and their porn. Of all the variances of human sexual preferences, this group has to be the most disturbing and the people the general public knows least how to deal with. I can see the appeal for someone with these proclivities to want to be included with others who have sexual preferences that have been considered different from the normal. I do not see the reverse happening, though, with LGBTQAI wanting to include people with pedophilic preferences. Which begs the question of how we can turn our backs on people who were born with pedophilic desires when we are going out of our way to recognize the sexual desires other people are born with. As interesting as that discussion could be, though, it really doesn't relate to the OP here. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 7:01:22 GMT
There is actually a TED talk out of Germany where the presenter did give the argument that pedophilia is a sexual orientation. TED Talk
When I first starting seeing people share this on Facebook, I thought it was a joke, a very fucked up joke. Sadly, nope. It was an actual TED Talk. ETA: I was trying to link the actual TED Talk...looks like they've taken it down from YouTube. There is quite a bit of talk amongst mental health professionals about Pedophilia being a sexual orientation that one is born with. That is not to say that they are advocating letting pedophiles abuse children, but highlighting the fact that they will not be rehabilitated any more than one can “pray the gay away.” If one looks at pedophilia as incurable - which statistics bear out - it changes how one looks at prison sentences, registries, etc. I just brought up that point on a recent thread regarding an article where the writer was talking about the damage sex offender registries causes for people who have “paid their time.” Viewing pedophilia as an orientation by people in mental health has not be to normalize it, any more than saying that schizophrenia, which has a large genetic component, is normal. Or any number of other mental illnesses that are inborn/genetic in nature. Only when society is able to come to grips with the fact that we have not, to date, found a “cure” for pedophilia (and may never), will we be able to take the necessary steps to keep our children safe. I hear ya! Because of another thread today, I looked up someone I know who served 5 years and is on the lifetime sex offender list because of what her live-in boyfriend did to her very young daughter. She was convicted for allowing it to happen. Five hard years in the state pen and a lifetime of public shame for something she doesn't even have a predilection for means that there is no such thing for her as having paid for her crime. Her punishment will never end yet the chance of her ever violating a child are low - by the state's own public estimation. The boyfriend was the real predator. He was nearly old enough to be this woman's father and the child's grandfather. He asked her to marry him even though he already had a wife and children, and he himself told me that he began using his d!ck as soon as he knew what it was for. Well, he didn't just tell me. He bragged about it at the dinner table at a family event. His family blames this woman for his sexual molestation of her very young daughter, as if he was somehow an innocent here even though he was clearly grooming both mother and daughter for some time. (The value of hindsight.) The wreckage left behind by the rape of a child is horrific. And yet.... what do we really know about this desire other than it's presence? Normal people do not rape very small children. They do not groom them for sexual activity. There is something so absolutely wrong going on here, yet we have no understanding of at all. Where does this desire come from and how can it be controlled? What happens to a person who has always been attracted to young children? Who can they turn to? If that's the case, we need to have better ways to protect children beforehand. In other words, if they are born that way to find children attractive and cannot be cured, then they should be able to come forward BEFORE acting on it for help. But this thread demonstrates that just feeling that way is reprehensible, so I doubt many would admit they're wired wrong. But just like you can't pray away the gay, how would one seek help? Is there anything? Whatever we have isn't enough. |
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Post by inkedup on Sept 4, 2018 15:17:49 GMT
There is quite a bit of talk amongst mental health professionals about Pedophilia being a sexual orientation that one is born with. That is not to say that they are advocating letting pedophiles abuse children, but highlighting the fact that they will not be rehabilitated any more than one can “pray the gay away.” If one looks at pedophilia as incurable - which statistics bear out - it changes how one looks at prison sentences, registries, etc. I just brought up that point on a recent thread regarding an article where the writer was talking about the damage sex offender registries causes for people who have “paid their time.” Viewing pedophilia as an orientation by people in mental health has not be to normalize it, any more than saying that schizophrenia, which has a large genetic component, is normal. Or any number of other mental illnesses that are inborn/genetic in nature. Only when society is able to come to grips with the fact that we have not, to date, found a “cure” for pedophilia (and may never), will we be able to take the necessary steps to keep our children safe. I hear ya! Because of another thread today, I looked up someone I know who served 5 years and is on the lifetime sex offender list because of what her live-in boyfriend did to her very young daughter. She was convicted for allowing it to happen. Five hard years in the state pen and a lifetime of public shame for something she doesn't even have a predilection for means that there is no such thing for her as having paid for her crime. Her punishment will never end yet the chance of her ever violating a child are low - by the state's own public estimation. The boyfriend was the real predator. He was nearly old enough to be this woman's father and the child's grandfather. He asked her to marry him even though he already had a wife and children, and he himself told me that he began using his d!ck as soon as he knew what it was for. Well, he didn't just tell me. He bragged about it at the dinner table at a family event. His family blames this woman for his sexual molestation of her very young daughter, as if he was somehow an innocent here even though he was clearly grooming both mother and daughter for some time. (The value of hindsight.) The wreckage left behind by the rape of a child is horrific. And yet.... what do we really know about this desire other than it's presence? Normal people do not rape very small children. They do not groom them for sexual activity. There is something so absolutely wrong going on here, yet we have no understanding of at all. Where does this desire come from and how can it be controlled? What happens to a person who has always been attracted to young children? Who can they turn to? If that's the case, we need to have better ways to protect children beforehand. In other words, if they are born that way to find children attractive and cannot be cured, then they should be able to come forward BEFORE acting on it for help. But this thread demonstrates that just feeling that way is reprehensible, so I doubt many would admit they're wired wrong. But just like you can't pray away the gay, how would one seek help? Is there anything? Whatever we have isn't enough. I don't really have much sympathy for an adult woman, "groomed" or not, who makes the choice to turn a blind eye to the sexual abuse of her daughter. Her daughter will spend the rest of her life dealing with the fall out of her mother's inability to put her own child before a man. I hope the daughter, if she chooses to have contact with this woman who completely failed her, is not made to feel in any way responsible for her mother's poor choices. Her mom went to prison because she chose to ignore the fact that her husband was sexually assaulting her CHILD. Too bad that she's inconvenienced and upset by the fall out. Perhaps branding her a sex offender isn't fair, but there's no way to brand her publically as a total failure as a mother, so I'm fine with any scarlet letter she can be given. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 16:26:49 GMT
I don't really have much sympathy for an adult woman, "groomed" or not, who makes the choice to turn a blind eye to the sexual abuse of her daughter. Her daughter will spend the rest of her life dealing with the fall out of her mother's inability to put her own child before a man. I hope the daughter, if she chooses to have contact with this woman who completely failed her, is not made to feel in any way responsible for her mother's poor choices. Her mom went to prison because she chose to ignore the fact that her husband was sexually assaulting her CHILD. Too bad that she's inconvenienced and upset by the fall out. Perhaps branding her a sex offender isn't fair, but there's no way to brand her publically as a total failure as a mother, so I'm fine with any scarlet letter she can be given. My life was dramatically impacted because of this. My own bias has my empathy level at an extremely low level. You can take that to the bank & cash in nicely. That's not the point. The truth is that there ARE predators among us that just are sick beyond the normal person's comprehension. I saw how dramatically this (still young woman) changed because of this man. At any point, she could have made different choices and that's on her, but still and all, the fact remains that she was preyed upon because she turned out to be an easy target. She became so enamored of him that nothing else mattered. There are lessons to be learned here, none the least of which are recognizing women who are more vulnerable to predatory behavior, because their children turn out to be the true victims. The rape was quickly discovered by the father and his family who believed the child and took immediate action. Truth be told, this man was very, very lucky not to have found himself inside the stomach of an alligator. Thank God that reason prevailed because this little girl needed her father out of jail. And no. The daughter (grown now) refuses all contact with the mother. She has reconciled the events to having had a loving birth mother (she did) and this other woman as if they are two separate people. It's not a bad way to deal with it, actually, since the behaviors became those of two distinctly different people. As part of the family of the woman, I grieve for the woman we lost. She was a loving, kind, fun and vital member of the family and she turned into someone without hope who has to report in every year for the rest of her life as a sexual predator. That didn't just happen. This is the part of the cost that real people pay for the sick fantasies that other people have. Sure, the OP was all kinds of messed up, but the truth is that we live among a significant number of (mostly male) people who have truly disturbing sexual preferences. If anyone thinks that they aren't trying to normalize their behavior - and in so doing, decrease the criminal charges that may be brought against them - than they are naive in the extreme. Too many of these predators have become master manipulators, able to hide in plain sight and capable of turning the vulnerable among us into shields. I pray that others reading this do not learn firsthand just how good that manipulation can truly be. |
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Post by inkedup on Sept 4, 2018 17:19:02 GMT
I don't really have much sympathy for an adult woman, "groomed" or not, who makes the choice to turn a blind eye to the sexual abuse of her daughter. Her daughter will spend the rest of her life dealing with the fall out of her mother's inability to put her own child before a man. I hope the daughter, if she chooses to have contact with this woman who completely failed her, is not made to feel in any way responsible for her mother's poor choices. Her mom went to prison because she chose to ignore the fact that her husband was sexually assaulting her CHILD. Too bad that she's inconvenienced and upset by the fall out. Perhaps branding her a sex offender isn't fair, but there's no way to brand her publically as a total failure as a mother, so I'm fine with any scarlet letter she can be given. My life was dramatically impacted because of this. My own bias has my empathy level at an extremely low level. You can take that to the bank & cash in nicely. That's not the point. The truth is that there ARE predators among us that just are sick beyond the normal person's comprehension. I saw how dramatically this (still young woman) changed because of this man. At any point, she could have made different choices and that's on her, but still and all, the fact remains that she was preyed upon because she turned out to be an easy target. She became so enamored of him that nothing else mattered. There are lessons to be learned here, none the least of which are recognizing women who are more vulnerable to predatory behavior, because their children turn out to be the true victims. The rape was quickly discovered by the father and his family who believed the child and took immediate action. Truth be told, this man was very, very lucky not to have found himself inside the stomach of an alligator. Thank God that reason prevailed because this little girl needed her father out of jail. And no. The daughter (grown now) refuses all contact with the mother. She has reconciled the events to having had a loving birth mother (she did) and this other woman as if they are two separate people. It's not a bad way to deal with it, actually, since the behaviors became those of two distinctly different people. As part of the family of the woman, I grieve for the woman we lost. She was a loving, kind, fun and vital member of the family and she turned into someone without hope who has to report in every year for the rest of her life as a sexual predator. That didn't just happen. This is the part of the cost that real people pay for the sick fantasies that other people have. Sure, the OP was all kinds of messed up, but the truth is that we live among a significant number of (mostly male) people who have truly disturbing sexual preferences. If anyone thinks that they aren't trying to normalize their behavior - and in so doing, decrease the criminal charges that may be brought against them - than they are naive in the extreme. Too many of these predators have become master manipulators, able to hide in plain sight and capable of turning the vulnerable among us into shields. I pray that others reading this do not learn firsthand just how good that manipulation can truly be. We will just have to agree to disagree on this topic. I think it's a cop out to say this woman failed her daughter solely because she was the victim of an abuser. There are many survivors of abuse (myself included) who manage not to feed our own children to the abusers we choose to be with. We shouldn't normalize or excuse parents who allow abuse any more than we normalize or excuse the abuse itself. I don't care what happened to that "mother" - there is no excuse for allowing anyone to do God knows what to your child. Too bad she lost her smile and has to be inconvenienced by registering as a sex offender, I guess? Her daughter lost a lot more. At least the mother had a choice. It's unfair of you to assume that any view that differs from yours on this issue is based in naivete and ignorance. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 18:24:04 GMT
We will just have to agree to disagree on this topic. I think it's a cop out to say this woman failed her daughter solely because she was the victim of an abuser. There are many survivors of abuse (myself included) who manage not to feed our own children to the abusers we choose to be with. We shouldn't normalize or excuse parents who allow abuse any more than we normalize or excuse the abuse itself. I don't care what happened to that "mother" - there is no excuse for allowing anyone to do God knows what to your child. Too bad she lost her smile and has to be inconvenienced by registering as a sex offender, I guess? Her daughter lost a lot more. At least the mother had a choice. It's unfair of you to assume that any view that differs from yours on this issue is based in naivete and ignorance. Lost her smile? You are purposefully dismissing every thing I have said. Let me say this again. I know someone personally who made some very bad choices in her life that made her easy prey to a predator who later went on to rape her very young daughter. Guess what. There are other young women who make very bad choices and I bet none of them expect that any one of their choices will lead to the rape of their own child in their own home any more than this woman did. So my purpose here and now is to give warning that this does in fact happen. There are predators amongst us who are masters at getting especially vulnerable people to bend to their will. Some of them have hidden behind the cover of church leadership. Some of them are just people living in our neighborhoods. All of them want us to believe that they are doing nothing worth jail time over. Yes, they can & do use their highly honed skills of manipulation in an attempt to try to normalize their behavior. And yes, they can and do find people who they can successfully manipulate so that they can carry out their sick perversions. Severe punishment has been doled out and will continue to be throughout this woman's life, and while you are so busy judging her, it doesn't occur to you that maybe someone you know, maybe someone you love, may also be currently making bad choices in her life that will open the door to a predator who will manipulate his way into destroying everything? And that if, God forbid, that day does come and your life and the lives of those you love are also forever changed that you won't one day look back and see more clearly the manipulation that was used by the predator? Good luck with that. For me, though, that day is today. And as I sit here reliving family moments where he was present, I can clearly see now the careful grooming that was occurring then. What you don't grasp is how happy she was. How she thought that she had finally found a real prince who was worthy of her love. She had no idea what the future was about to hold. None. She, who was a fierce defender of her children, allowed herself to be used in such a horrible way. None of us foresaw that. You'll never know the price my family has paid because of her choices. You'll never understand the hard emotions I continue to have. And that's OK. What is not OK is to accuse me of excusing or normalizing any predation, especially that involving the rape of a child. As I continue to try to work through the devastation it created in my own life, it is so far from OK, it's beyond my comprehension. This is how children are molested. This is how they are raped. At least some of them, anyway. And it is NOT OK. |
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"In an eleventh-hour hearing, Roman Catholic priest the Rev. Robert J. "Father Bob" DeLand Jr. pleaded no contest to multiple charges that see him convicted of sexually assaulting several young males. DeLand, 71, in the late afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 4, appeared before Saginaw County Circuit Judge Darnell Jackson and pleaded no contest to all seven charges he faced -- two counts of second-degree criminal sexual conduct involving injury and single counts of attempted second-degree criminal sexual conduct, assault with intent to commit second-degree criminal sexual conduct, gross indecency between males, selling alcohol to a minor and distributing an imitation controlled substance." www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2018/09/catholic_priest_father_bob_ple.htmlSure is nice to have this handy thread of all the men who are ACTUALLY being tried or pleading guilty or no contest to actual sexual assault of minors. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 13:41:25 GMT
"A former Republican state senator in Oklahoma was sentenced to 15 years in federal prison Monday on a child sex trafficking charge.... Shortey pleaded guilty in November in exchange for prosecutors dropping three child pornography charges against him. He said at the time that the plea deal was in the best interest of him and his family. Shortey was arrested in March 2017 after police found him in a suburban Oklahoma City motel room with a then-17-year-old boy. Police were acting on a tip from the teen’s father when they went to the motel and said they smelled marijuana coming from the room. Police accused the married father of four of hiring the teen for sex." abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/senator-life-prison-child-sex-trafficking-57875435 |
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