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Post by KikiPea on Sept 26, 2018 2:18:15 GMT
I was watching one tonight that made me think that not all people are made to make videos, and not all processes need to be shared.
I completely understand that there may be a need for a video to show how to do a new technique, or how to use a new medium. Some videos are really just simple scrapping at its finest, and sometimes not its finest.
Is it just me, or are my pain meds making me moody? LOL
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Post by msliz on Sept 26, 2018 2:40:11 GMT
It's not just you. There are a few process video scrappers that I really pay attention to because of their creativity. I feel like I actually learn from them.
The rest, the majority (sorry), are ones I typically watch while skipping ahead to the end within seconds of starting. I'm still glad to have seen it, but I might not want to invest much time if I can just look at the last couple of frames and glean the same info that I would get from watching the whole thing.
Having said that, I've never made a video, and I'm willing to bet that if I did it would suck big time.
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Post by KikiPea on Sept 26, 2018 2:46:37 GMT
Having said that, I've never made a video, and I'm willing to bet that if I did it would suck big time. Me, too!
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Post by kitbop on Sept 26, 2018 3:01:57 GMT
I hate my voice! I can't imagine listening to me for any time With the sheer volume of process videos out there now, it does seem to be getting repetitive. Yes? No?
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Post by KelleeM on Sept 26, 2018 8:59:25 GMT
Some process videos I actually watch and learn from and some are just company in the background...I listen and glance up now and then without really watching. Not all scrapbookers are created equal nor are all video makers 😊. I know I would be horrible at making videos and am grateful for those who put themselves out there!
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Post by stinkerbelle on Sept 26, 2018 11:20:31 GMT
when it was just mercytiara out there, i devoured every one i could get! but now there's definitely getting to be a surplus, which i don't think is a bad thing at all. i'll watch videos from all skill levels and styles, just depends on my mood. i have one person i unsubbed from because she has extremely hairy arms and i couldn't look at them any longer other people who have weird vocal tics or who smack their lips or flutter their hands too much without getting to the point are also passed by. harsh, but reality having said all that, i appreciate all the free content and i think making the videos is the easy part; it's the behind the scenes stuff that i would really be lost at. so KikiPea maybe you're moody, but so am i. i'm well known for being um bitchy all the time if i'm not, my boyfriend wonders if i'm feeling ok!
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Post by streetscrapper on Sept 26, 2018 12:52:35 GMT
I hate to comment on any videos because I don't (nor would I ever) do one, but what drives me absolutely crazy is when a video that should be no more than 4-5 minutes drags on for 20+! I was looking for a video the other day that could easily have been done in less than 4 minutes and almost every single one was over 10! The rambling drives me crazy!
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Post by scrappersue on Sept 26, 2018 15:10:46 GMT
Most are just too long and too much talking for me. I figured out how to speed up the You Tube videos and I usually play at 1.25 or 1.5 times the speed. Sometimes I put it on 2x and turn the volume down and just watch the video. My favorite people do a bit of talking in the beginning and then speed up their video and talk over the top - that's what I like.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 26, 2018 16:39:12 GMT
I don't mind long and/or wordy videos if they're talking through their design process-- nicole jones does this, and so do a couple other people. That's actually why I watch/listen to some particular people; so I can hear how they go through their page-building process. (you know-- why they chose a particular paper, whey they decided NOT to use another particular one, how to cover up a mistake, how they're going to use a sketch but make it fit their # / orientation of photos, etc.) But when the video is long because the person can't find something on their desk and has to go away to find it, keeps repeating themselves, or that kind of thing... then yeah- please edit that out. ETA: like KelleeM, I watch some of them to learn something from the technique, and some of them are just company in the background. One thing that bothers me a LOT (irrationally, perhaps) is when the person does NOT show the finished product at the very beginning of the video!! I want to see what you're working towards, so I can have that in mind as I watch the video progress. Without that, it's just like 'hey, watch me make something, and we'll both be surprised with what ends up happening' and I can't stand that.
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Post by bingcherry on Sept 26, 2018 18:18:36 GMT
I always wonder what people’s motivation is to do process videos. Is it for attention or to eventually try out for a design team? I agree that not everyone is meant to do it and not every page is meant to be shown.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 26, 2018 19:18:55 GMT
There are some people who I watch because I enjoy them as people. I relate to what they share or something else about them and that makes them appealing. They may not share the most compelling projects, but there are other people I watch for that sort of content.
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Post by warrior1991 on Sept 26, 2018 19:58:27 GMT
There is a card maker who does videos in a card style not like mine (very nice cards), but she is fun to watch/listen and when I have her on in the background, it feels like we are crafting together.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 26, 2018 20:20:39 GMT
I enjoy watching some process videos but agree some of them are really bad. I think most are trying to gain a following on You Tube that will eventually earn them money or design team participation.
I film a flip through for one of my scrappy friends. Now that she’s three hours away she likes an update of what going on in my Project Life album. She doesn’t follow any online scrappy trends so she sees new product, techniques, trends from me. It’s very basic filming using my iPhone balanced over my album while I flip pages. No editing, whatever light is available, and whatever is happening in the background in my house is audible. I have no desire to figure out how to make a slick video. I post to You Tube but don’t make public, I send her a link do she can watch.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 26, 2018 20:26:39 GMT
oh, that's another category of video I do like to watch, sometimes-- I watch album flip-throughs or layout share videos when I need some inspiration to get me into gear for scrapbooking.
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Post by scrampinmystyle on Sept 26, 2018 20:30:49 GMT
I always wonder what people’s motivation is to do process videos. Is it for attention or to eventually try out for a design team? I agree that not everyone is meant to do it and not every page is meant to be shown. I think both of those reasons can apply for people that do process videos. Social Media is very important to the business that is looking for DT applicants because that is how their brand is shared to its fullest capability. I do agree that not everyone is meant to do it and not every page is meant to be shown as well, but I think it's great that people are willing to put themselves out there and try something. I did a few videos about 5 years ago, and have thought about doing it again. Personally, I don't have the desire to be on a DT. For me, it's more about connecting, learning and offering a different perspective. I watch Jen Schow, Missy Whidden, Audrey Yeager and others. Even though they are all scrapbooking, I find they are all different in their approach and style. I enjoy seeing that. I don't make cards often, hardly ever, but I will watch Jennifer McGuire because she demonstrates very well, IMO. My question, and not directed to you only, and certainly no snark intended, but a genuine interest, is: why are videos a critical aspect to the hobby? I mean critical in the sense of criticizing. This isn't the first time I've seen discussion on them, and the discussion can become rather critical. I criticize plenty, and am of the mindset that if you put yourself out there, you open yourself up for criticism, but am still curious.
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Post by bingcherry on Sept 26, 2018 20:49:38 GMT
I always wonder what people’s motivation is to do process videos. Is it for attention or to eventually try out for a design team? I agree that not everyone is meant to do it and not every page is meant to be shown. I think both of those reasons can apply for people that do process videos. Social Media is very important to the business that is looking for DT applicants because that is how their brand is shared to its fullest capability. I do agree that not everyone is meant to do it and not every page is meant to be shown as well, but I think it's great that people are willing to put themselves out there and try something. I did a few videos about 5 years ago, and have thought about doing it again. Personally, I don't have the desire to be on a DT. For me, it's more about connecting, learning and offering a different perspective. I watch Jen Schow, Missy Whidden, Audrey Yeager and others. Even though they are all scrapbooking, I find they are all different in their approach and style. I enjoy seeing that. I don't make cards often, hardly ever, but I will watch Jennifer McGuire because she demonstrates very well, IMO. My question, and not directed to you only, and certainly no snark intended, but a genuine interest, is: why are videos a critical aspect to the hobby? I mean critical in the sense of criticizing. This isn't the first time I've seen discussion on them, and the discussion can become rather critical. I criticize plenty, and am of the mindset that if you put yourself out there, you open yourself up for criticism, but am still curious.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 26, 2018 21:00:27 GMT
I feel like I need to make a s/o thread about people's thoughts on Patreon since that seems to be the new thing. And it's not like 'if you want to chip in a dollar per month, I'd be grateful' like Mercy Tiara's seems to have been. It's 'help me make this my job' type stuff. Every month there seem to be a handful more people posting on YouTube that they are going the route of Patreon. Most promise to keep up with their YouTube schedule because they wouldn't be able to do Patreon without the followers there, but eventually don't. I get it, YouTube's pay structure sucks and keeps getting worse, but I don't enjoy being put in the position to fund someone else's creative ventures in such a way. I'd be open to a platform that is a cross between YouTube, Patreon and BPC where I pay a small monthly fee to the host every month and get all the content...then each contributor gets a % of the income the main platform received depending on their popularity. Basically, a YouTube subscription service (my perception of YouTube Red is that it's for ad-removal, not that the content providers get anything directly from it). As it is, I would blow my monthly scrapbooking budget and then some just paying for Patreon content of all those I follow making the change to Patreon and that's simply not going to happen. That market is already becoming overly saturated and I don't see it being widely successful in our already niche corner of the creative world.
The reason I don't see the value in the AE story kits is because I don't value digital content the way I do physical product. That is unlikely to ever change, either. I've never purchased a class (that wasn't an in person thing) for that very reason. I consider YouTube to be a time killer for the most part. I don't see it as something of significant value to my life or to my hobby and that may be another reason why I'm not willing to pay for something like Patreon. I am struggling to articulate my why's and it's more than my being cheap. Even though there is an exchange of goods/services for my money, I can't shake the feeling that with every new Patreon announcement video I'm being asked for a handout. I understand that that isn't what it is, but how something makes you feel isn't always rational.
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Post by brenda89 on Sept 26, 2018 21:03:13 GMT
I agree with most of you above!! And on the note of videos, if I don't like someone's voice or there is a freaking SMOKE ALARM with a low battery beeping- I don't care what the video is about I CANNOT watch it!! Maybe on mute?? Am I the only one that the beeping drives crazy??
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 26, 2018 21:12:24 GMT
I agree with most of you above!! And on the note of videos, if I don't like someone's voice or there is a freaking SMOKE ALARM with a low battery beeping- I don't care what the video is about I CANNOT watch it!! Maybe on mute?? Am I the only one that the beeping drives crazy?? There is a lady who speaks in such a way that it makes me cringe every time I hear her talk. I'd never heard anyone speak like her before last week. The woman on the phone helping me with something was very kind and I managed to deal with it because it wasn't as bad as this youtuber's voice, but it's like nails on a chalkboard to me. It's like an over-enunciation of certain sounds. An extra 'uh' or 'tuh' sound at the end of every couple of words. 'This-uh is-uh how I organize-uh my-uh art-uh su-uh-pplies' I cannot do it.
I also hate it when people chew or drink in their videos. It's worse when people are using a microphone for voice overs because the audio is clearer, but I also can't stand that sound in real life unless I'm also eating/drinking. There is a universal consensus that plastic crinkling is awful, so if you don't understand why this bothers me, try thinking of crinkling every time someone chews or swallows in a video to understand my pain. I must spend 10 minutes a meal telling my middle child (every meal for 3 years now) to chew with his mouth shut only to then hear him sound like that character from Hey Arnold! who nasally wheezes over the mean girl's shoulder at least once every video. My husband is also used to me getting up and walking out of a room mid conversation if he's eating or drinking and the sound has become too much for me.
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Post by warrior1991 on Sept 26, 2018 21:29:01 GMT
I TOTALLY agree on the crinkling plastic and glassine bags!!!! Makes me in-sane!! And I agree on the eating/drinking on videos. But I do love the cat interruptions. lol
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 26, 2018 21:30:17 GMT
But I do love the cat interruptions. lol haha!! me, too!! (makes me feel better about the fact that my cats do it, too, lol!)
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Post by oliquig on Sept 26, 2018 21:50:06 GMT
I'm a youtuber, so I can answer some questions, as pertains to me.
-I like talking about scrapbooking. Sharing my story, things I like, and just general scrappy talk.
-I started because I liked watching process videos, and I thought I'm a pretty good chatterer, let's see if I could do it publicly.
-I try to keep it 9-13 minutes, a little longer if I'm doing a double page. I take the time to edit my videos so I take out if I step away or if I am doing something repetitive like glueing or laying down alphas.
-YouTube Red (the paid version) does give creators a very tiny percentage payment, very tiny.
- When you put yourself out there you do open yourself up for criticism, but it's still hard to here. That one thumbs down can suck big time.
- I have no problem with people turning to Patreon to try to earn a living from their art. If they provide a product that I feel is worth a few bucks a month then I will pay, and if they don't, I always have the option not to keep subscribing.
- I will never do Patreon, as I view scrapbooking as a hobby only. But for others it may be a stepping stone to a job in the industry, and I will never put down another woman artist (or an artist if any gender for that matter) for going after her dream.
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Post by brenda89 on Sept 26, 2018 21:56:15 GMT
But I do love the cat interruptions. lol Ha ha!! I only have about 4 or 5 videos on my YouTube channel, but 2 of them are tours of my scrap room and my cat makes an appearance in both of the room tours (he's very vocal too, I was ignoring him ).
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Post by KikiPea on Sept 26, 2018 22:03:01 GMT
I always wonder what people’s motivation is to do process videos. Is it for attention or to eventually try out for a design team? I agree that not everyone is meant to do it and not every page is meant to be shown. I think both of those reasons can apply for people that do process videos. Social Media is very important to the business that is looking for DT applicants because that is how their brand is shared to its fullest capability. I do agree that not everyone is meant to do it and not every page is meant to be shown as well, but I think it's great that people are willing to put themselves out there and try something. This is 100% why I won’t try out for a DT. I would love to be on one, again, but I have absolutely no interest in making videos, or trying to keep up with a blog. It’s FB, or Instagram for me, and these days, that’s just not enough. So, I’m out.
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Post by Linda on Sept 26, 2018 22:49:12 GMT
not every page is meant to be shown I'm not much of a video watcher and I can just about guarantee I'll never MAKE a video but this comment above is one reason I was very hesitant to share my layouts here during the challenges. I'm pretty sure that for most serious scrappers, my layouts fit firmly into that category. Which is okay - because I scrap for me and my family not for other scrappers.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 26, 2018 23:08:29 GMT
I like getting ideas from different scrappers and You Tube is where I find inspiration. I will not do Patreon. I don’t blame anyone who does, but I’m not paying for content I can get for free elsewhere. And I’m not funding someone’s ability to craft, not to mention if I want to follow mire than one person, it gets expensive. I do subscribe to some people that do have Patreon accounts, but they also offer free content and that’s enough for me.
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Post by bingcherry on Sept 26, 2018 23:19:59 GMT
My comment was not meant to be snarky but I am really interested in what motivates people to do process videos.
This is scrapbooking. It’s not some ridiculously hard thing. We are not reinventing the wheel and there are not a million new techniques to show off. If you are on a design team and are showcasing new products/lines or are a scrapper with a very unique style then I am all for watching a process video. I have been scrapping for almost 18 years and can look at a finished layout and see how it was made. I don’t need to watch a video to see the process.
I love instagram and pinterest and spend what little online time I have on those sites looking at layouts. I just feel that the number of people making process videos outweighs the demand.
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Post by bingaling on Sept 26, 2018 23:21:46 GMT
I was not going to comment because I am terrified that I might be part of the list of annoyances listed above lol.
But I find these kinds of discussions interesting.
I started doing videos because in a way it was an option for me share and give back on a platform that I personally had gained a ton of inspiration on. I am still one of the black sheep scrappers who does videos on double page layouts, as many photos as possible, sketches, scraplifts and even predesigned page kits. I like to be true to me and hope that their are others out there looking for that type of content.
I do not like the wave of channels pushing Patreon accounts. My channel does not qualify for monetizing and that is fine. It is not my job. I do however sometimes miss teaching at my LSS (bow closed) and that led me to online self paced classes. I feel like that way viewers at my channel still get what they expect and it is free. Paying for an online class is an option.
But online classes are a whole other thing. I have paid for classes from a popular youtuber and it was not anything that I did not already see on their YT channel. I won't make and share a class unless there is something of substance to be learned from it. As a consumer that is what I expect. I also try to keep any voice over stuff to be on topic for the class. I am not going tonask someone to pay me and then listen to everyday chit chat like on a normal video. That doesn't feel right to me.
Just my two cents...and let me know if I am the one w the arm hair lol!
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 26, 2018 23:23:08 GMT
I'm a youtuber, so I can answer some questions, as pertains to me. -I like talking about scrapbooking. Sharing my story, things I like, and just general scrappy talk. -I started because I liked watching process videos, and I thought I'm a pretty good chatterer, let's see if I could do it publicly. -I try to keep it 9-13 minutes, a little longer if I'm doing a double page. I take the time to edit my videos so I take out if I step away or if I am doing something repetitive like glueing or laying down alphas. -YouTube Red (the paid version) does give creators a very tiny percentage payment, very tiny. - When you put yourself out there you do open yourself up for criticism, but it's still hard to here. That one thumbs down can suck big time. - I have no problem with people turning to Patreon to try to earn a living from their art. If they provide a product that I feel is worth a few bucks a month then I will pay, and if they don't, I always have the option not to keep subscribing. - I will never do Patreon, as I view scrapbooking as a hobby only. But for others it may be a stepping stone to a job in the industry, and I will never put down another woman artist (or an artist if any gender for that matter) for going after her dream.Wasn't putting anyone down, just adding my input on how it feels for me as the audience of those requests. I'm simply more likely to support someone who opens a shop selling physical or digital/printable product than I am to support something I view to be filler. For the most part, that's what YouTube videos are to me. If people want to try their hand at being an industry professional, more power to them, but I don't have to like how it feels to be asked for money. My feelings on it stem a lot from people who quickly became popular starting Facebook communities. I joined several under the impression that they simply wanted to create ways for their followers to communicate with them and their other followers (because that's what they stated it was meant to be) only to have many of those people ultimately turn around and try to sell me something. It sucks because most of the communities I had grown to love over the past several years have fizzled out and I was looking forward to joining groups under the premise that it was meant to create a place for people to interact with each other on a platform that was easier than YouTube's comment section. Who enjoys joining a place advertised as a growing community of people to share their work with each other to find the creator failed to mention that they were eventually going to use you all as a revenue stream? That lack of transparency is a real sticking point for me. If I were to join a group that says Jane Doe - SU Demo, I would know that the end goal is to sell something, but that's not what I felt I was going to be getting when deciding to become a part of these other groups. I understand that most in the scrapbooking community haven't done this and that my feeling slighted could very well stem from a place of naivety, but it's hard to shift your mindset once you feel you've been misled. There are certainly a few people out there (some who would probably not fit the mold of someone who would become a well known artist) that I would support simply because I like them as people but in those instances, I have to think about where I see the most value in putting my dollars and that goes back to not finding video content to be the best use of my hobby budget.
ETA: I missed the YT Red part of your reply. Thanks for the information on that! I did not know that this was a benefit of it.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 26, 2018 23:28:02 GMT
I was not going to comment because I am terrified that I might be part of the list of annoyances listed above lol. But I find these kinds of discussions interesting. I started doing videos because in a way it was an option for me share and give back on a platform that I personally had gained a ton of inspiration on. I am still one of the black sheep scrappers who does videos on double page layouts, as many photos as possible, sketches, scraplifts and even predesigned page kits. I like to be true to me and hope that their are others out there looking for that type of content. I do not like the wave of channels pushing Patreon accounts. My channel does not qualify for monetizing and that is fine. It is not my job. I do however sometimes miss teaching at my LSS (bow closed) and that led me to online self paced classes. I feel like that way viewers at my channel still get what they expect and it is free. Paying for an online class is an option. But online classes are a whole other thing. I have paid for classes from a popular youtuber and it was not anything that I did not already see on their YT channel. I won't make and share a class unless there is something of substance to be learned from it. As a consumer that is what I expect. I also try to keep any voice over stuff to be on topic for the class. I am not going tonask someone to pay me and then listen to everyday chit chat like on a normal video. That doesn't feel right to me. Just my two cents...and let me know if I am the one w the arm hair lol! Did you teach at Scrappy Doo, Scrappin' Time or The Crafting Place by chance? The woman who owns The Paper Bunny pretty much bought most of her store fixtures from Scrappy Doo. Unlike Scrappin' Time where they had a closing sale over time, SD just closed out of nowhere and the PB owner was aware of it and bought all of her stock and the fixtures with the idea of opening a shop. The Paper Bunny seems to be doing well, but I feel awkward going in there because their prices are so high. I joined the scrapbook world via a daily deal site and my mindset never really shifted to full price from there.
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