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Post by papersilly on Oct 10, 2018 21:29:52 GMT
I think this is a bullshit decision to make an example out of him. If he was a violent criminal, sure, deport him, but he's not and Teresa supposedly has paid their debts by working her ass off. Break up a family for what? The girls aren't Italian. Do they have to give up their lives in America, or their father? I hate this whole thing. Though I guess there could be worse things than having to move to Italy. Still... the thing is, i don't think they are making an example of him. they are just applying the law. there are grounds under which a green card can be revoked. one of them is a criminal activity involving crimes of moral turpitude, aggravated felonies, or drug offenses. seems like Joe's deportation order falls under moral turpitude. according to the Department of State notes that the most common elements of a moral turpitude crime will include "fraud, larceny, and intent to harm persons or things." (9 FAM 302.3-2(B)(2)(U).) Crimes involving dishonesty and theft will almost always be considered crimes of moral turpitude. doesn't that sound like Joe's offenses?
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Post by Zee on Oct 10, 2018 21:35:46 GMT
I think this is a bullshit decision to make an example out of him. If he was a violent criminal, sure, deport him, but he's not and Teresa supposedly has paid their debts by working her ass off. Break up a family for what? The girls aren't Italian. Do they have to give up their lives in America, or their father? I hate this whole thing. Though I guess there could be worse things than having to move to Italy. Still... the thing is, i don't think they are making an example of him. they are just applying the law. there are grounds under which a green card can be revoked. one of them is a criminal activity involving crimes of moral turpitude, aggravated felonies, or drug offenses. seems like Joe's deportation order falls under moral turpitude. according to the Department of State notes that the most common elements of a moral turpitude crime will include "fraud, larceny, and intent to harm persons or things." (9 FAM 302.3-2(B)(2)(U).) Crimes involving dishonesty and theft will almost always be considered crimes of moral turpitude. doesn't that sound like Joe's offenses? "Moral turpitude" sure sounds archaic and like it would be only used to make an example of someone, don't you think?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 10, 2018 21:49:51 GMT
$200,000 tax fraud... There are other who get deported, but we don't hear about the ones who are not 'famous'.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 10, 2018 21:57:09 GMT
the thing is, i don't think they are making an example of him. they are just applying the law. there are grounds under which a green card can be revoked. one of them is a criminal activity involving crimes of moral turpitude, aggravated felonies, or drug offenses. seems like Joe's deportation order falls under moral turpitude. according to the Department of State notes that the most common elements of a moral turpitude crime will include "fraud, larceny, and intent to harm persons or things." (9 FAM 302.3-2(B)(2)(U).) Crimes involving dishonesty and theft will almost always be considered crimes of moral turpitude. doesn't that sound like Joe's offenses? "Moral turpitude" sure sounds archaic and like it would be only used to make an example of someone, don't you think? i think there are certain terms you agree to abide by in exchange for being granted legal residency. the green card is still revokable or non renewable. it is a privilege and not a right. if you violate one of those terms, they can take away that privilege. if Joe had become a citizen, he could have committed his crimes all day long and they couldn't deport him. when he chose to remain in a revokable immigration status, he opened himself up to having those terms applied when he violated those terms. like a said, i don't think he will get deported immediately if at all. the right attorney will find a way to build a case for hardship. it's not like he killed anyone so the bar isn't set impossibly high for a hardship case. to answer your question, i don't think "moral turpitude" is archaic. it is commonly applied to many aspects in life. it is not unusual to have moral turpitude clauses in employment contracts, insurance policies, prenuptial agreements, divorce cases. i don't think maintaining good morals can ever be archaic.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 10, 2018 22:02:23 GMT
Which one of thier families owns the catering place?? That's Caroline Manzo. oh ok thx
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Post by birdgate on Oct 10, 2018 23:51:02 GMT
It would make the show more interesting filming in Italy. Maybe he can start a business over there importing wine or food. She can do another cook book or a cooking show from Italy. I guess tax wise it would be better for him to get a divorce and then they can both freely cheat on each other since that’s what they do anyway. It’s a win win situation. Girls can get dual citizenship. And you know Bravo’s going to be up in all the drama.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Oct 10, 2018 23:53:16 GMT
If his crimes were severe enough to warrant well over 3 years in prison, I think they are severe enough to warrant deportation.
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Post by annabella on Oct 11, 2018 0:29:39 GMT
m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/10/10/teresa-giudice-joe-deported-italy-kim-depaola-real-housewives-new-jersey/ Bravo already did a trip to Italy, I don’t think they would get their own spin off show.
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 11, 2018 1:40:34 GMT
Kim D is nothing but a fame seeking trouble maker, imho. Then again, the only cast members I like are the Manzo boys. They're loads of fun.
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Post by sues on Oct 11, 2018 1:40:36 GMT
What does Joe do for work anyway? Can he get another job? Teresa is financially supporting the family with her books and TV show. My guess is she will wait for one kid to graduate high school then move to Italy and downsize their lives. Which one of their families own the catering place?? Theresa, her brother, and his wife bought into the catering/restaurant. But I read they took their name off of it and pulled out over differences. They said they planned to go off on their own in a bigger place- but I don't know if that ever happened. Speculation was they never planned to- they were just saving face.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 11, 2018 2:35:59 GMT
Doesn't Joe have a DUI history? Are there other convictions/charges in his past? Those could be factors in the current deportation decision and reasons he never bothered to apply for citizenship in the past.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 11, 2018 3:07:13 GMT
Doesn't Joe have a DUI history? Are there other convictions/charges in his past? Those could be factors in the current deportation decision and reasons he never bothered to apply for citizenship in the past. Once again, moral turpitude issues that could have barred him from getting his citizenship.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 3:44:00 GMT
the law is the law but i'm certain he will file an immigration appeal for humantarian consideration. with an experienced enough attorney, he may prevail and find a way to stay. The thing is though Joe is serving time for a felony. Why would another judge grant him leniency? Maybe he should have thought a little more about his wife and kids before committing his crimes. Those crimes happened LONG before they had kids, and she helped him commit them. I don't fall for the "stupid housewife" portrayal. The 2 of them were scammers and that's how they spun the $$ into millions (not theirs anyway!!) and faked everyone. They should both pay. They shouldn't have had children and introduced them into their world of crime and lying and scamming.......
When RHONJ went on location to Italy, wasn't it obvious that Joe didn't have his U.S. passport, etc??? I can't understand why he didn't make it legal here, if the U.S. was good enough for him to bilk and abuse.
And, how is Teresa keeping that gross estate going? She should have downsized when she got out of prison. It would be a good lesson for their girls to learn how to live within their means rather than bilking everyone just to keep a facade going. I doubt they'll ever learn.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 11, 2018 20:43:10 GMT
I really think Joe pulled a fast one over on his wife in signing papers she didn’t know what she was even signing..her fault for not reading them but I do believe her husband conned her. I think she’s loyal to him so I don’t see her divorcing him...I don’t really see her leaving the US though either. This is what I think, too. I somehow don't dislike her, even though I could never stand to be around her. I don't think she's entirely trustworthy, but I do think she is too trusting. I think being too trusting was what did her in here. I'm not sure where I stand on the deportation. On the one hand, yes, his family is here, etc. On the other hand, we deport citizens of certain other countries in a heartbeat when they are otherwise doing everything right. I think Joe knowingly committed the fraud, I think he probably never thought about the citizenship. But we are deporting other non-citizens who came here as children for a lot less than committing a felony...
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Post by annabella on Oct 11, 2018 20:53:51 GMT
He's forever committing crimes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 21:03:12 GMT
He should be deported. He broke the rules and committed a crime.
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