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Post by Jennifer C on Oct 10, 2018 18:07:09 GMT
As I was driving home just now, I heard that a Judge just ordered Joe Giudice to be deported after his sentence.
Wow.
Jennifer
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Oct 10, 2018 18:07:54 GMT
Wow... I didnt think that would really happen.. I wonder if his family is gonna join him... Teresa said at the beginning that they would be staying... I wonder if that is still true..
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Post by christine58 on Oct 10, 2018 18:15:29 GMT
Wow... I didnt think that would really happen.. I wonder if his family is gonna join him... Teresa said at the beginning that they would be staying... I wonder if that is still true.. Interesting...I bet she stays here. When is he done??
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Post by bbkeef on Oct 10, 2018 18:45:34 GMT
Does anyone know what that means exactly? Does he have to stay in Italy for a certain amount of time? Does he have to apply to come back to the U.S.?
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Post by mom on Oct 10, 2018 18:46:34 GMT
Im ok with him going. I seriously doubt Teressa will join him - I bet she divorces him.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Oct 10, 2018 18:59:55 GMT
Does anyone know what that means exactly? Does he have to stay in Italy for a certain amount of time? Does he have to apply to come back to the U.S.? <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 29.860000000000127px; height: 3.0400000000000063px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_85540780" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1427px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_5808427" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_29369594" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1427px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_60276834" scrolling="no"></iframe> Nope, he won't be allowed back. I doubt Teresa will join him unless it's for a reality show.
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Post by sunshine on Oct 10, 2018 19:01:22 GMT
I wonder if Italy would even allow Teresa to go there since she's been convicted of a crime here?
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Post by bbkeef on Oct 10, 2018 19:01:43 GMT
So I wonder if he can appeal the decision?
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Post by mom on Oct 10, 2018 19:02:15 GMT
So I wonder if he can appeal the decision? He can, he has one month to appeal I believe.
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Post by annabella on Oct 10, 2018 19:04:28 GMT
What does Joe do for work anyway? Can he get another job? Teresa is financially supporting the family with her books and TV show. My guess is she will wait for one kid to graduate high school then move to Italy and downsize their lives.
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amom23
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Post by amom23 on Oct 10, 2018 19:11:35 GMT
I wonder why he or his parents never applied for his citizenship since he was like a 3 year old when his family came over? Now that he has been accused and found guilty of committing a federal crime Joe will never be able to gain any sort of legal status to remain in the country. Nope not feeling sorry for him or Teresa. Too bad for their daughters - they do deserve better.
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Post by mom on Oct 10, 2018 19:18:50 GMT
What does Joe do for work anyway? Can he get another job? Teresa is financially supporting the family with her books and TV show. My guess is she will wait for one kid to graduate high school then move to Italy and downsize their lives. He used to be a contractor - like a stucco guy. Not sure how long since he has done that though.
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 10, 2018 19:22:17 GMT
I really feel sorry for their girls. They were caught up in a big, greedy mess. I could care less if he's deported, but I hate to see the destruction of that family. Those kids deserve so much better.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 10, 2018 19:30:17 GMT
I wonder why he or his parents never applied for his citizenship since he was like a 3 year old when his family came over? Now that he has been accused and found guilty of committing a federal crime Joe will never be able to gain any sort of legal status to remain in the country. Nope not feeling sorry for him or Teresa. Too bad for their daughters - they do deserve better. He must have been an adult when his parents applied for citizenship, so he didn't automatically get it with them. Cost and intimidated by the process, including language and knowledge testing, fingerprinting, keep some green card holders from doing it. I know a few green card holders that never intend to apply for citizenship. Wanting to vote was our main motivating factor.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Oct 10, 2018 19:31:50 GMT
I know I’m probably the minority here but I’ve always liked Teresa...she has done some shitty things to other casts members but that ALL have ...that’s what these show are all about..drama. I really think Joe pulled a fast one over on his wife in signing papers she didn’t know what she was even signing..her fault for not reading them but I do believe her husband conned her. I think she’s loyal to him so I don’t see her divorcing him...I don’t really see her leaving the US though either.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Oct 10, 2018 19:41:25 GMT
My guess is that she divorces him. The gossip sites have long been speculating about Teresa having a boyfriend.
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Post by Jennifer C on Oct 10, 2018 19:57:39 GMT
I didn't really think that he would get deported. I had heard that Teresa even reached out to Donald Trump for help. On the radio they said both plead guilty to 41 counts of fraud, with Joe being the main person. One lady thought that Teresa said that she would move with the girls to Italy, the other said nope, Italy wouldn't let anyone with a felony stay longer than a visit.
Would Italy take him? And I wonder why he never became a citizen? He's wasn't short on money, is married to an American, had access to attorneys. I don't think the process stopped him, I just always got the feeling that he didn't feel that he needed to get one. They didn't keep it a secret that he didn't have citizenship.
Jennifer
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Post by papersilly on Oct 10, 2018 19:59:37 GMT
the law is the law but i'm certain he will file an immigration appeal for humantarian consideration. with an experienced enough attorney, he may prevail and find a way to stay.
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Post by mnmloveli on Oct 10, 2018 20:08:55 GMT
WOW I’m shocked 😱 Never thought it would happen.
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Post by Linda on Oct 10, 2018 20:20:36 GMT
I know a few green card holders that never intend to apply for citizenship. my dad was one of those - mum was American and we lived overseas until Dad retired and then we moved to the States. He had a green card but never intended to become a US citizen (just as my mum could have become a British subject but chose not to). When he died, we had his cremains buried 'back home' in England. He was here for my mum and us kids, not because he had any interest in becoming American.
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Post by kernriver on Oct 10, 2018 20:31:54 GMT
Hey wait...when did we go to war with Italy?
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 10, 2018 20:33:33 GMT
I didn't really think that he would get deported. I had heard that Teresa even reached out to Donald Trump for help. On the radio they said both plead guilty to 41 counts of fraud, with Joe being the main person. One lady thought that Teresa said that she would move with the girls to Italy, the other said nope, Italy wouldn't let anyone with a felony stay longer than a visit. Would Italy take him? And I wonder why he never became a citizen? He's wasn't short on money, is married to an American, had access to attorneys. I don't think the process stopped him, I just always got the feeling that he didn't feel that he needed to get one. They didn't keep it a secret that he didn't have citizenship. Jennifer I don't think international law lets you revoke citizenship and leave a person nationless. I agree with your feeling that he didn't feel the need to get citizenship. Permanent Resident cards are now hitech, issued for 10 years, renewable and cost about the same to process as a citizenship application. Green cards from the 70s are literally a green card with limited information and no expiry date (similar to a SSN card). Unless there was a reason to replace it, he likely didn't see any advantage to go through the process. Especially given the current Administration's immigration hard line, I don't see how there could be any other initial outcome to this case. I'm sure it will be appealed and curious to see how that plays out.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 10, 2018 20:35:36 GMT
What does Joe do for work anyway? Can he get another job? Teresa is financially supporting the family with her books and TV show. My guess is she will wait for one kid to graduate high school then move to Italy and downsize their lives. Which one of thier families owns the catering place??
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Post by papersilly on Oct 10, 2018 20:37:29 GMT
I know a few green card holders that never intend to apply for citizenship. my dad was one of those - mum was American and we lived overseas until Dad retired and then we moved to the States. He had a green card but never intended to become a US citizen (just as my mum could have become a British subject but chose not to). When he died, we had his cremains buried 'back home' in England. He was here for my mum and us kids, not because he had any interest in becoming American. i know a bunch of people who don't want to apply for citizenship because, for some, US Citizens get taxed for overstaying in their native country. this is a special concern for those who want to retire in their native country and don't want to get taxed as a "foreigner".
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amom23
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Post by amom23 on Oct 10, 2018 20:39:06 GMT
the law is the law but i'm certain he will file an immigration appeal for humantarian consideration. with an experienced enough attorney, he may prevail and find a way to stay. The thing is though Joe is serving time for a felony. Why would another judge grant him leniency? Maybe he should have thought a little more about his wife and kids before committing his crimes.
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Post by annabella on Oct 10, 2018 20:49:07 GMT
Which one of thier families owns the catering place?? That's Caroline Manzo.
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Post by Linda on Oct 10, 2018 20:50:28 GMT
my dad was one of those - mum was American and we lived overseas until Dad retired and then we moved to the States. He had a green card but never intended to become a US citizen (just as my mum could have become a British subject but chose not to). When he died, we had his cremains buried 'back home' in England. He was here for my mum and us kids, not because he had any interest in becoming American. i know a bunch of people who don't want to apply for citizenship because, for some, US Citizens get taxed for overstaying in their native country. this is a special concern for those who want to retire in their native country and don't want to get taxed as a "foreigner". The US is one of only two countries that tax their citizens no matter where they live or where their income is earnt. Definitely a concern for those planning to retire outside the US (or live/work outside the US). I know there are US citizens renouncing their citizenship because they've moved overseas and plan to stay and are tired of getting taxed double (by the country they live in AND the US)
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Post by papersilly on Oct 10, 2018 20:59:00 GMT
the law is the law but i'm certain he will file an immigration appeal for humantarian consideration. with an experienced enough attorney, he may prevail and find a way to stay. The thing is though Joe is serving time for a felony. Why would another judge grant him leniency? Maybe he should have thought a little more about his wife and kids before committing his crimes. i'm not saying he will get leniency or that he even deserves it. the law is the law. i think he should be deported for sure but i think he and Theresa will try their best to appeal the deportation. we had a client commit a felony and when he was paroled, it was straight from jail to the airport and back to his native country. he didn't even try to appeal. they didn't have the money to appeal. Joe and Theresa might. i'm just saying that immigration has existing provisions for "hardship" cases that i'm sure Theresa will try to use to keep him from being deported. there are all kinds of reasons they could give to bolster their case---financial and emotional hardship to the US Citizenship spouse, emotional hardship to the children, illness, lack of job prospects in Italy, lack of adequate healthcare in Italy, to name a few. it's a slim chance but i don't think Joe and Theresa will give up that easily.
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Post by Zee on Oct 10, 2018 21:16:11 GMT
I think this is a bullshit decision to make an example out of him. If he was a violent criminal, sure, deport him, but he's not and Teresa supposedly has paid their debts by working her ass off. Break up a family for what? The girls aren't Italian. Do they have to give up their lives in America, or their father?
I hate this whole thing. Though I guess there could be worse things than having to move to Italy. Still...
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Post by frenchie on Oct 10, 2018 21:27:12 GMT
I really feel sorry for their girls. They were caught up in a big, greedy mess. I could care less if he's deported, but I hate to see the destruction of that family. Those kids deserve so much better. My thoughts as well
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