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Post by Olan on Nov 8, 2018 21:01:06 GMT
The article calls it conversion therapy. "The latest gut-punches, courtesy of CNN polling: In the Georgia governor's race, an estimated 75-percent of white women—more even than white men!—voted for Republican Brian Kemp, who is passionately pro-life, over Stacey Abrams, a staunch protector of women's reproductive rights, while 97-percent of black women supported her. In Texas, 60-percent of white women cast their ballots for Republican Sen. Ted Cruz, a noted supporter of alleged assaulters President Trump and Brett Kavanaugh, over Democrat Beto O'Rourke, who is dedicated to improving women's healthcare. (Ninety-four percent of black women backed O'Rourke.) The numbers were similar in the Florida governor's race, where 51-percent of white women voted for Republican Ron DeSantis, who opposes equal pay and the Violence Against Women Act, instead of Democrat Andrew Gillum, who wanted to protect no-cost birth control in the state. Just in case the pattern was unclear: way more black women—82-percent—chose Gillum. As sure as black women have proven themselves to be the often-underappreciated backbone of the Democratic party, white women voters are establishing themselves as maddeningly, confusingly... unsisterly." www.vogue.com/article/white-women-voters-conservative-trump-gop-problem/amp |
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Post by Zee on Nov 8, 2018 21:15:32 GMT
I hear it a lot since moving here and I just don't get it. I don't understand the need to keep the good old boys in power. Fear of losing white privilege, at the expense of ourselves as women. But she ran a very close race in a very red state. Maybe the tide will begin to turn. My husband and I stood in line for over an hour hoping to be part of a blue wave for Georgia but it didn't quite happen.
The comments section on election articles posted by local news stations reveal red voters to be angry uneducated yokels, afeared fer their guns and still skerred of "radical socialists" such as Stacey Abrams (wtf? Those words were actually used in campaign commercials) but I'm new to the state and think I'm better than them because I'm a liberal Yankee from up north (kind of a condescending asshole). And I know I'm only seeing the posts of people who take the time to troll the internet.
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Post by jennyap on Nov 8, 2018 21:16:24 GMT
It’s mind boggling.
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Post by mikklynn on Nov 8, 2018 21:18:40 GMT
"In the Georgia governor's race, an estimated 75-percent of white women—more even than white men!—voted for Republican Brian Kemp, who is passionately pro-life, over Stacey Abrams, a staunch protector of women's reproductive rights"
WOW. This shocks me. And, I didn't think I had any shock left after two years of Trump.
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Post by lisae on Nov 8, 2018 21:19:45 GMT
I don't live in Georgia but I really wanted her to win. Many of the white women I know who I know their politics vote Democrat but I do know some that still vote Republican. I don't think it is about keeping men in power. I think some of it is religious beliefs and just being more conservative.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 8, 2018 21:24:17 GMT
From the few people I know who live in the South, it is about religion and not women's rights.
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 8, 2018 21:28:17 GMT
Do those numbers in Florida seem right to you? In what universe would only 82% of black women vote for Gillum? Something smells fishy.
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Post by Olan on Nov 8, 2018 21:42:12 GMT
Do those numbers in Florida seem right to you? In what universe would only 82% of black women vote for Gillum? Something smells fishy. I think a recount is likely. I just breezed across a headline that said about as much. Abrams (GA) is also asking for a recount. |
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Post by likescarrots on Nov 8, 2018 21:47:26 GMT
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have heard the Georgia race is going to run off. many early votes, provisional ballots, and absentee ballots have not yet been counted. If you voted one of these ways, please check online that your vote has been counted, not just 'received'.
Also, while Gillum has conceded, it looks like that race will possibly have a recount.
Not that any of this takes away from the OP, but in response to some posts here.
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Post by Zee on Nov 8, 2018 21:52:09 GMT
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have heard the Georgia race is going to run off. many early votes, provisional ballots, and absentee ballots have not yet been counted. If you voted one of these ways, please check online that your vote has been counted, not just 'received'. Also, while Gilkum has conceded, it looks like that race will possibly have a recount. Not that any of this takes away from the OP, but in response to some posts here. Currently she does not have enough votes for a run off but she is not conceding yet. There are still votes to be counted. Kemp's team says that of the remaining uncounted ballots, she still would not have enough votes even if they were all in her favor. She has a legal team in place of course. She's not going away quietly! |
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Post by dewryce on Nov 8, 2018 21:54:34 GMT
As an athiest, off the top of my head I'm not sure what issues besides gay rights and women's reproductive rights would be considered religious. I'm sure there must be more but I can't think of them. What am I missing?
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Post by likescarrots on Nov 8, 2018 21:55:04 GMT
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have heard the Georgia race is going to run off. many early votes, provisional ballots, and absentee ballots have not yet been counted. If you voted one of these ways, please check online that your vote has been counted, not just 'received'. Also, while Gilkum has conceded, it looks like that race will possibly have a recount. Not that any of this takes away from the OP, but in response to some posts here. Currently she does not have enough votes for a run off but she is not conceding yet. There are still votes to be counted. Kemp's team says that of the remaining uncounted ballots, she still would not have enough votes even if they were all in her favor. She has a legal team in place of course. She's not going away quietly! I've been reading people's accounts that they mailed their ballots in mid October and they JUST today have been received. I don't blame her for holding strong, and frankly I would not believe a word Kemp's team says. |
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Post by tara on Nov 8, 2018 21:56:03 GMT
I hope I don’t get flamed for this because I’m speaking from my own experiences. If I voted I would have been one of those women 6 years ago. I came from a very conservative, religious background. I look back now and I can say I was 100 percent brainwashed. My mom got involved in a cult when I was a year old where the men would tell the women to jump and the women will ask how high. You always did what your husbands told you to do. We didn’t go to college and the girls married young. I was one of them but was lucky enough to have a mom who instilled in me to always stick up for myself. And I was lucky enough I married a man who wanted a wife for a companion and not a child he can boss around (his words). He liked the fact that I spoke my mind and did what I wanted. One time I was out with my friend and she had a curfew by her husband. My husband would never would think to give me a curfew. But my husband and I were never looked upon being that spiritual in this religion anyways. But there were a lot of girls not as lucky as I was. They weren’t allowed to have their own opinions. Only those of her husbands and church leaders. I’ve heard of women who were counseled for having a rebellious spirit. I woke up 6 years ago and now look back and wondered how I could have believed in that bullshit all that time.
My moms family in the south was the same life style with them. The men Order and the women jump. They never went to church but the Bible says men are better because he made them with a penis so that’s just how it it. So if you didn’t come from an uber religious background or a control background it is hard to understand or explain. I was totally brainwashed and I’m so glad I woke up.
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Post by alsomsknit on Nov 8, 2018 22:09:05 GMT
I hope I don’t get flamed for this because I’m speaking from my own experiences. If I voted I would have been one of those women 6 years ago. I came from a very conservative, religious background. I look back now and I can say I was 100 percent brainwashed. My mom got involved in a cult when I was a year old where the men would tell the women to jump and the women will ask how high. You always did what your husbands told you to do. We didn’t go to college and the girls married young. I was one of them but was lucky enough to have a mom who instilled in me to always stick up for myself. And I was lucky enough I married a man who wanted a wife for a companion and not a child he can boss around (his words). He liked the fact that I spoke my mind and did what I wanted. One time I was out with my friend and she had a curfew by her husband. My husband would never would think to give me a curfew. But my husband and I were never looked upon being that spiritual in this religion anyways. But there were a lot of girls not as lucky as I was. They weren’t allowed to have their own opinions. Only those of her husbands and church leaders. I’ve heard of women who were counseled for having a rebellious spirit. I woke up 6 years ago and now look back and wondered how I could have believed in that bullshit all that time. My moms family in the south was the same life style with them. The men Order and the women jump. They never went to church but the Bible says men are better because he made them with a penis so that’s just how it it. So if you didn’t come from an uber religious background or a control background it is hard to understand or explain. I was totally brainwashed and I’m so glad I woke up. I understand all too well. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 8, 2018 22:09:58 GMT
The nutty stuff I hear from white women in Texas about why they vote Republican boggles the mind.
Sorry. We’re aware of the problem and working on it. That’s all I’ve got.
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Post by Merge on Nov 8, 2018 22:11:38 GMT
As an athiest, off the top of my head I'm not sure what issues besides gay rights and women's reproductive rights would be considered religious. I'm sure there must be more but I can't think of them. What am I missing? Southern preachers literally stand in the pulpit and tell people it’s a sin to vote Democratic. And then take a big old tax exemption. |
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Nov 8, 2018 22:20:38 GMT
I have heard a lot of statements like this in the past few days. I'm not sure why it is a surprise that white women in a conservative Southern state vote for the more conservative candidate. And many of these women may be single-issue voters. That doesn't make it against their own interest; it only makes it against what other people believe is against their interest.
I fall squarely in the middle, and Stacey is far to the left of me (while Kemp would be far to the right), so I would expect women who fall to my right to vote for Kemp. The women I know who consistently vote republican are just as articulate and passionate as those who consistently vote liberal. I think we are undervaluing the women if we try to pretend that any more than just a small percentage in either direction are brainwashed.
Regardless, I adore Stacey, and I am terribly proud of my friend. She did much better than I initially predicted, knowing the limited amount I know about Georgia politics, and I am very glad she is making sure every vote is counted.
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Post by dewryce on Nov 8, 2018 22:23:17 GMT
As an athiest, off the top of my head I'm not sure what issues besides gay rights and women's reproductive rights would be considered religious. I'm sure there must be more but I can't think of them. What am I missing? Southern preachers literally stand in the pulpit and tell people it’s a sin to vote Democratic. And then take a big old tax exemption. Okay but...these people sitting in the pews have brains. Do they really believe that? He could just as easily say it's a sin to eat chocolate but that doesn't make it true. And I'd wager people would eat it anyway if he did say it. So where's the disconnect? |
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 8, 2018 22:23:41 GMT
I don't think it is about keeping men in power. I think some of it is religious beliefs and just being more conservative. it is about religion and not women's rights. i'd agree with this - for a lot of the women i know lots of people have one hot button issue and vote accordingly and for a lot of those women - it's the pro-life agenda because if you vote a pro-choice ticket you are pro-abortion and are on a direct path to hell it's not politics for these women - it's religion religion filters down into every single aspect of their lives gina |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:27:45 GMT
As an athiest, off the top of my head I'm not sure what issues besides gay rights and women's reproductive rights would be considered religious. I'm sure there must be more but I can't think of them. What am I missing? Southern preachers literally stand in the pulpit and tell people it’s a sin to vote Democratic. And then take a big old tax exemption. This is the TRUTH!! It happens up here in the north as well and it is not rare at all. Christian organizations send out mailings (I have seen them at my in-law's house) listing exactly who to vote for. I remember years ago, my friend's husband handing her a handwritten list of who/what to vote for/against. |
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Post by librarylady on Nov 8, 2018 22:33:53 GMT
From the beginning I said that there is no way the people of Georgia will elect a woman as their governor let alone a black woman. That is not how Georgia rolls.
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Post by dewryce on Nov 8, 2018 22:36:33 GMT
I have heard a lot of statements like this in the past few days. I'm not sure why it is a surprise that white women in a conservative Southern state vote for the more conservative candidate. And many of these women may be single-issue voters. That doesn't make it against their own interest; it only makes it against what other people believe is against their interest. I fall squarely in the middle, and Stacey is far to the left of me (while Kemp would be far to the right), so I would expect women who fall to my right to vote for Kemp. The women I know who consistently vote republican are just as articulate and passionate as those who consistently vote liberal. I think we are undervaluing the women if we try to pretend that any more than just a small percentage in either direction are brainwashed. If I understand what you're saying, then I tend to disagree. Unless these women truly only care about abortion and don't care at all about many other women's issues like equal pay, sexual assault, and birth control. They have simply decided that voting for a candidate who is anti-abortion is more important to them than all other issues combined, not that the other issues are unimportant. As is their right. |
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Post by dewryce on Nov 8, 2018 22:40:38 GMT
Southern preachers literally stand in the pulpit and tell people it’s a sin to vote Democratic. And then take a big old tax exemption. This is the TRUTH!! It happens up here in the north as well and it is not rare at all. Christian organizations send out mailings (I have seen them at my in-law's house) listing exactly who to vote for. I remember years ago, my friend's husband handing her a handwritten list of who/what to vote for/against. This hurts my heart. Women worked so hard to gain the right to vote, only for some to hand it over and give the men in their life a 2nd vote, to amplify his voice. I understand that in most cases it is due to their upbringing, but it still hurts. |
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 8, 2018 22:50:14 GMT
Unless these women truly only care about abortion and don't care at all about many other women's issues like equal pay, sexual assault, and birth control. They have simply decided that voting for a candidate who is anti-abortion is more important to them than all other issues combined, not that the other issues are unimportant. As is their right. this is the truth that MANY women live stop abortion above all gina |
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Post by Zee on Nov 8, 2018 22:51:28 GMT
From the beginning I said that there is no way the people of Georgia will elect a woman as their governor let alone a black woman. That is not how Georgia rolls. Not yet, maybe...but it was far too close a race to say "never". |
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Post by Merge on Nov 8, 2018 23:01:32 GMT
Southern preachers literally stand in the pulpit and tell people it’s a sin to vote Democratic. And then take a big old tax exemption. Okay but...these people sitting in the pews have brains. Do they really believe that? He could just as easily say it's a sin to eat chocolate but that doesn't make it true. And I'd wager people would eat it anyway if he did say it. So where's the disconnect? Religion is - and I'm sure I'll offend some people I don't want to offend, so apologies - about mind control in many cases. Not all cases. Even more so when you've been taught that preachers, priests or prophets are set above you to interpret God's word for you and teach you how to follow it in your own life, so you just turn off the critical thinking part of your brain when the man at the pulpit is talking. Tying your eternal salvation to certain behaviors is very motivating. It is interesting and hopeful to me that it seems some religious women are stepping away from that mindset and voting their own beliefs. We saw that in Tarrant County and the west/southwest Houston suburbs. |
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Post by dewryce on Nov 8, 2018 23:09:55 GMT
Okay but...these people sitting in the pews have brains. Do they really believe that? He could just as easily say it's a sin to eat chocolate but that doesn't make it true. And I'd wager people would eat it anyway if he did say it. So where's the disconnect? Religion is - and I'm sure I'll offend some people I don't want to offend, so apologies - about mind control in many cases. Not all cases. Even more so when you've been taught that preachers, priests or prophets are set above you to interpret God's word for you and teach you how to follow it in your own life, so you just turn off the critical thinking part of your brain when the man at the pulpit is talking. Tying your eternal salvation to certain behaviors is very motivating. It is interesting and hopeful to me that it seems some religious women are stepping away from that mindset and voting their own beliefs. We saw that in Tarrant County and the west/southwest Houston suburbs. I'll use a word from above. Mind-boggling. Preachers and priests are human and I just can not understand the mindset that their opinion on these matters should out weigh your own. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 8, 2018 23:30:45 GMT
Thankfully I’m not one of those “conservative white women”. I don’t understand their rationale at all.
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Post by Merge on Nov 8, 2018 23:56:48 GMT
Religion is - and I'm sure I'll offend some people I don't want to offend, so apologies - about mind control in many cases. Not all cases. Even more so when you've been taught that preachers, priests or prophets are set above you to interpret God's word for you and teach you how to follow it in your own life, so you just turn off the critical thinking part of your brain when the man at the pulpit is talking. Tying your eternal salvation to certain behaviors is very motivating. It is interesting and hopeful to me that it seems some religious women are stepping away from that mindset and voting their own beliefs. We saw that in Tarrant County and the west/southwest Houston suburbs. I'll use a word from above. Mind-boggling. Preachers and priests are human and I just can not understand the mindset that their opinion on these matters should out way your own. Neither can I. But the idea that women are submissive - to their fathers and husbands, and to male preachers - is deeply ingrained in many conservative Christian churches. Even if women disagree, they are to follow the headship of the man. Think Duggar. |
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Post by ghislaine on Nov 9, 2018 3:22:45 GMT
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