rickmer
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Post by rickmer on Nov 9, 2018 19:59:44 GMT
i was the parent that didn't buy my child toy guns as a youngster (i have shared before i was a gunshot victim at age 12). i bought giant crayon shaped water squirters because i didn't want water guns. it made me nauseous to see kids pointing guns at each other, even water guns. i feel i *get* to have that right as someone who faced a .22 rifle pointed at me and the trigger pulled. there was a gun in that house to scare foxes from the chicken coop.
as my kids (okay, my boys, wasn't really an issue for DD) got older, they would make guns out of lego and play with them. i have loosened up on the issue and we have had many nerf guns and water guns over the years.
i do see the rest of the world allows their children to play with toy guns and water guns and do not have the same issues with gun violence. other countries have people that struggle with mental health too so there *has* to be something else at play that makes the US different.
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 9, 2018 20:25:07 GMT
I was at a high school theater competition recently and one of the plays had a girl holding a gun while talking for quite a bit of the play. She'd wave that (fake) gun all around. My only issue was that no one obviously explained to her that she shouldn't have her finger on the trigger the whole play. I sort of took minor offense to it being pointed in my general direction, but I thought probably general firearm safety hadn't been explained. I realize IT'S FAKE, but if you're trying to pretend it's real... I just didn't think she should have had her finger on the trigger. unsettling. Perhaps that was the character? I mean soneone prone to talking and waving a gun all around isn’t practicing proper firearm protocol already right? I’d think gun wavers probably dangerously have their finger on the trigger.
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peabrain
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Post by peabrain on Nov 9, 2018 20:38:30 GMT
I was at a high school theater competition recently and one of the plays had a girl holding a gun while talking for quite a bit of the play. She'd wave that (fake) gun all around. My only issue was that no one obviously explained to her that she shouldn't have her finger on the trigger the whole play. I sort of took minor offense to it being pointed in my general direction, but I thought probably general firearm safety hadn't been explained. I realize IT'S FAKE, but if you're trying to pretend it's real... I just didn't think she should have had her finger on the trigger. unsettling. Perhaps that was the character? I mean soneone prone to talking and waving a gun all around isn’t practicing proper firearm protocol already right? I’d think gun wavers probably dangerously have their finger on the trigger. I'm not sure. Just one thing that I was like, "That's weird." She was supposed to be the narrarator? I thought the play was disjointed, but I was biased since it wasn't my kid's school lol. That school didn't win. But then again, neither did my kid's school. I don't know. I'm no thespian. But I don't like guns pointed at me. Keep your itchy trigger finger to yourself lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 23:54:41 GMT
i was the parent that didn't buy my child toy guns as a youngster (i have shared before i was a gunshot victim at age 12). i bought giant crayon shaped water squirters because i didn't want water guns. it made me nauseous to see kids pointing guns at each other, even water guns. i feel i *get* to have that right as someone who faced a .22 rifle pointed at me and the trigger pulled. there was a gun in that house to scare foxes from the chicken coop. as my kids (okay, my boys, wasn't really an issue for DD) got older, they would make guns out of lego and play with them. i have loosened up on the issue and we have had many nerf guns and water guns over the years. i do see the rest of the world allows their children to play with toy guns and water guns and do not have the same issues with gun violence. other countries have people that struggle with mental health too so there *has* to be something else at play that makes the US different. Is the US the only country that has general access to guns?
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 9, 2018 23:59:26 GMT
When I taught kindergarten of course toy guns were absolutely banned from school 100%. But the boys would make guns with their fingers and play fingerguns. Run around the playground, bam bam with their fingers. I can’t ban fingers and I can’t intervene in every playground game. Little boys can make a play gun out of anything just about. Sticks, whatever. I think this is developmental for some kids to be interested to play cops and robbers or whatever and they work out some natural aggression and feelings playing these games. I don’t like fingerguns either but the school counselor provided us some insight and some strategies for it to make it easier to manage and understand. Mostly her advice was let it go a little bit and let them have some aggressive play to work out their feelings and the pecking order, then rein it in and move their attention to a structured game such as foursquare or freeze tag or something more innocuous. I hope toy guns go the way of candy cigarettes and fall way out of fashion but I think there’s a place for imitative violent play. This. I have observed over the years that kids make guns out of everything, despite a ban on guns in our schools.
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Post by chances on Nov 10, 2018 1:00:04 GMT
For all of the posters who say that kids will make pretend guns out of anything, where do they get introduced to guns? It's not some instinsic thing that all people are born knowing about. It just reminds me how saturated our culture is with gun violence. Why is there any children's programming that feature guns? let alone so much that kids around the nation are spontaneously making guns out of toast?
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Nov 10, 2018 2:09:16 GMT
For all of the posters who say that kids will make pretend guns out of anything, where do they get introduced to guns? It's not some instinsic thing that all people are born knowing about. It just reminds me how saturated our culture is with gun violence. Why is there any children's programming that feature guns? let alone so much that kids around the nation are spontaneously making guns out of toast? ITs not children’s programming, it’s life? Maybe it’s because I work with kids and majored in psych and education, but as anti gun as I am, i have ZERO issues with kids pretend playing with guns. I’ve never met a three year old pretending to be a school shooter but he sure as hell wants to be a cop or a soldier because our society idolizes these people as HEROS and they carry guns. These are people who train to protect us and we teach our kids they are GOOD guys and they carry guns. So yup. Three year olds look up to heros. Heros in every single country carry some kind of weapon to keep us safe. Kids pretend and their make believe is modeled after what they know of adult life. So when a five year old wants to pretend to be a cop and take down the bad guys? Go for it little buddy. And like I said—I’m as anti gun as they come. But a super soaker water gun, which I had growing up, has never been linked to a mass shooting.
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Post by bunnyhug on Nov 10, 2018 2:44:35 GMT
We (Canada) have toy guns and ‘shooting’ video games and all the same tv shows as the US, but we don’t have the mass shootings epidemic that you do ... must be something else to blame ...
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Post by chances on Nov 10, 2018 4:27:01 GMT
For all of the posters who say that kids will make pretend guns out of anything, where do they get introduced to guns? It's not some instinsic thing that all people are born knowing about. It just reminds me how saturated our culture is with gun violence. Why is there any children's programming that feature guns? let alone so much that kids around the nation are spontaneously making guns out of toast? ITs not children’s programming, it’s life? Maybe it’s because I work with kids and majored in psych and education, but as anti gun as I am, i have ZERO issues with kids pretend playing with guns. I’ve never met a three year old pretending to be a school shooter but he sure as hell wants to be a cop or a soldier because our society idolizes these people as HEROS and they carry guns. These are people who train to protect us and we teach our kids they are GOOD guys and they carry guns. So yup. Three year olds look up to heros. Heros in every single country carry some kind of weapon to keep us safe. Kids pretend and their make believe is modeled after what they know of adult life. So when a five year old wants to pretend to be a cop and take down the bad guys? Go for it little buddy. And like I said—I’m as anti gun as they come. But a super soaker water gun, which I had growing up, has never been linked to a mass shooting. I appreciate the answer because I am actually curious. But I dont think its "life". I went to school with a ton of kids whose parent were cops. Their guns were absolutely not on display, at school or at home. The cops and robbers stuff--thats kids programming. Even kids whose parents own guns and hunt aren't pointing them at people. The play that our kids mimick doesn't come from everyday experience. I think it's problem our culture is so saturated with this stuff. And I think we should acknowledge it comes from conscious adult decisions (often times about marketing something) not just out of nowhere.
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Post by LiLi on Nov 10, 2018 4:44:44 GMT
Because people enjoy playing with them and they don't hurt anyone? Post and opinions like this are why the gun owners and gun rights people dig their heels in when reasonable gun control is discussed. That opinion is very interesting. The two families in my life who don't allow toy guns at all for their kids are both families that stash *real* guns all over in their homes.
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Post by miominmio on Nov 10, 2018 8:03:05 GMT
i was the parent that didn't buy my child toy guns as a youngster (i have shared before i was a gunshot victim at age 12). i bought giant crayon shaped water squirters because i didn't want water guns. it made me nauseous to see kids pointing guns at each other, even water guns. i feel i *get* to have that right as someone who faced a .22 rifle pointed at me and the trigger pulled. there was a gun in that house to scare foxes from the chicken coop. as my kids (okay, my boys, wasn't really an issue for DD) got older, they would make guns out of lego and play with them. i have loosened up on the issue and we have had many nerf guns and water guns over the years. i do see the rest of the world allows their children to play with toy guns and water guns and do not have the same issues with gun violence. other countries have people that struggle with mental health too so there *has* to be something else at play that makes the US different. The infatuation with guns is something you won't find in Norway. I think we rank number 9 or 10 on the list of countries with the highest number of privately owned guns, but, barring a right wing terrorist attack a few years ago, we don't have (knock on wood) seen any mass shootings. Until "Heimevernet" (a part of the military meant for guerilla warfare should we ever get occupied again) decided that service weapons should be stored in one place in each community, and not in people's homes (my dad stored his AG3 in his closet when I grew up), there was maybe a case or two every decade where a man killed himself and his family. We have "Det frivillige skyttervesen", which is gun enthusiasts who are expected to help the military should we again face invasion and occupation. Every year there's a large competition aired on national TV where they pick the best shooters. Hunting is also a very common activity, and the moose hunt each autumn is huge! People are divided into teams and are allocated different areas and given quotas, and the local newspapers around the country will publish the result of the hunt. I know people who will use all their vacation days for hunting different animals. So we definitely have a gun culture and lots of weapons, but the purchase of guns are regulated. You have to apply for a permit, and you will only be granted one if you have a valid reason. Hunting and competition shooting are the only acceptable ones. If you cite you need it for protection, you will not get it (and I suspect you will be flagged so you won't get one for hunting if you should try that route later). We do not have automatic weapons owned by private citizens (with the exception of a few, very carefully screened, collectors). It is a system that works just fine. If you need a weapon, you will get it, if you don't, you won't. And if you have a history of mental health problems or a criminal record, you won't get a liscense.
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luvnlifelady
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Post by luvnlifelady on Nov 10, 2018 12:11:42 GMT
In my opinion, toy guns have always been around and you didn’t see the correlation between them and masd murders like you do now. It is not the toys, nor the guns, that are the problem. It’s the people behind the guns that are the problem. I do agree that we need more done for mental health care. I spent some time in the psych ward last year and they simply turn patients out after their time expires rather than trying to get them help. Most people are only held for three days even after suicide attempts or whatever brought them there in the first place. Spending time there was Definitely an eye opener as to how much the lack of mental health care is avsignificant problem.
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 10, 2018 12:29:19 GMT
I'm another one who never allowed toy guns in the house. Not even water guns that look like guns... I didn't mind the "space marine water blaster" or whatever.... but not one that looked like a real gun. Probably a silly distinction, but there you go... My son was mostly into swords and space marine blasters, etc. and I didn't mind that as much. Yes swords could kill people. But we don't turn on the news and hear "man kills three with Kind Arthur-style sword"...
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2018 13:15:18 GMT
For all of the posters who say that kids will make pretend guns out of anything, where do they get introduced to guns? It's not some instinsic thing that all people are born knowing about. It just reminds me how saturated our culture is with gun violence. Why is there any children's programming that feature guns? let alone so much that kids around the nation are spontaneously making guns out of toast? I am not sure, but I think that toys(many toy figures carry guns), video games, and tv.
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