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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Nov 8, 2018 23:33:48 GMT
Nerf guns, cap guns, some more realistic than others. Heck, even water guns.
Why are we allowing companies to peddle these to our kids?
What excuse do we tell ourselves to rationalize normalization of gun use/play in these times when mass murders are being carried out with guns several times a year?
Can we let them go the way of candy cigarettes please?
And I do realize that I'm a bit extreme on the matter. So, yes, I'm the mom that doesn't allow gun toys.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the matter, even if you don't agree with me.
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Post by busy on Nov 8, 2018 23:38:38 GMT
DS has never had toy guns at home. But every single one of his friends has them and while I'm fine being "that mom" in our house, I'm not going to try to say he can't play with toy guns at his friends' homes.
We do, however, talk a lot about why we don't have them at our house - and why we don't play first-person-shooter video games, etc.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 8, 2018 23:39:02 GMT
Because people enjoy playing with them and they don't hurt anyone?
Post and opinions like this are why the gun owners and gun rights people dig their heels in when reasonable gun control is discussed.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 8, 2018 23:42:55 GMT
Because talking about lack of mental health resources should be our focus, not banning nerf guns.
And candy cigarettes are still a thing, not as common, but still a thing.
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Post by workingclassdog on Nov 8, 2018 23:52:16 GMT
I didn't buy toy guns for my kiddos but I didn't 'ban' them either. Kids will be kids, they will make sticks into guns. My son (my daughters were not interested) played and now he is in the AF and a huge success..
I didn't have toy guns but I sure did play cops and robbers and all that in the woods with all my neighbor friends. As far as I know we are all fine.
Somewhere along the line someone doesn't get it and needs help. I think banning toy guns isn't what is causing mass shootings.
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Post by marimoose on Nov 8, 2018 23:56:14 GMT
Why do we have kool-aid after Jim Jones used it so many years ago to massacre his cult in Guyana. It seems a silly argument but I understand the need to grasp at straws as we try to figure out what the problem is. I get it It isn't the tool used to commit these deeds, it is the person responsible. That is where the focus should be.
Banning toy guns is not the answer. If you choose not to have them in your own home then that is fine but I doubt that it will change anything. My sons grew up with nerf guns, water guns, cap shooters and even play first shooter games ( I don't agree with them personally but they are adults) AND my boys are adamantly anti guns.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Nov 9, 2018 0:02:02 GMT
My kids grew up playing with guns and hunted with their dad when they became old enough. I hate hunting but they enjoy it and they make sausage and eat all the meat.
I personally think video games are much worse.
I think parents need to raise kids to respect guns.
If my kids had friends over the toy guns weren't brought out in case their parents were against them.
Should we ban GI Joe too which btw my boys had and loved too.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Nov 9, 2018 0:05:30 GMT
I very much hear you and do agree that toy guns don't create murderers.
I also agree that our country desperately needs more resources to help with mental health issues.
I would be completely fine with everyday citizens not having the access to guns that they do. I would support a special license for hunting. But I don't know how to get the car back in the bag, so to speak, when it comes to getting the number of guns off the streets that are there now.
I'll also admit that I don't understand the emotion gun rights supporters feel. I don't understand why a regular citizen needs guns. Especially the more high powered, high capacity ones.capacity
I do appreciate that we can have a civil conversation here. I don't mean to ruffle feathers.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Nov 9, 2018 0:09:05 GMT
And yes, now with the other responses, I can see how silly I am to equate playing with toy guns to normalizing them.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 9, 2018 0:10:06 GMT
And yes, now with the other responses, I can see how silly I am to equate playing with toy guns to normalizing them. I think we’re all hurting and overwhelmed that there seems to be nothing we can do. It’s heartbreaking and terrifying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 0:48:53 GMT
I felt the same way as you. I've only recently begun allowing nerf and water guns now that my son is nearly 8. I still don't like it, but I feel like at least now he can understand that when he and his friends are shooting darts or water at each other, they're not pretending to kill each other. That makes a difference to me somehow.
I don't allow shooter video games and I hate when my husband plays them.
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Post by uksue on Nov 9, 2018 0:53:57 GMT
With my two boys ( and now my grandson ) they create guns out of the cardboard tubing of paper towels , lego, their hands- anything really . Guns terrify me,but guns have been part of make believe play for a very long time . I don't really see this as beingvat the root of the problem .
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Post by supersoda on Nov 9, 2018 0:55:15 GMT
Because people enjoy playing with them and they don't hurt anyone? Post and opinions like this are why the gun owners and gun rights people dig their heels in when reasonable gun control is discussed. I don’t know about that. My dad is a huge gun rights activist (I disagree with him on many points) and we were never allowed to play with toy guns as a child. His POV was that guns aren’t toys and shouldn’t be treated as such. You never aim a gun at a person you’re not intending to kill and so you shouldn’t be aiming toy guns at people either.
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Post by mustlovecats on Nov 9, 2018 1:08:02 GMT
When I taught kindergarten of course toy guns were absolutely banned from school 100%.
But the boys would make guns with their fingers and play fingerguns. Run around the playground, bam bam with their fingers. I can’t ban fingers and I can’t intervene in every playground game. Little boys can make a play gun out of anything just about. Sticks, whatever.
I think this is developmental for some kids to be interested to play cops and robbers or whatever and they work out some natural aggression and feelings playing these games. I don’t like fingerguns either but the school counselor provided us some insight and some strategies for it to make it easier to manage and understand. Mostly her advice was let it go a little bit and let them have some aggressive play to work out their feelings and the pecking order, then rein it in and move their attention to a structured game such as foursquare or freeze tag or something more innocuous.
I hope toy guns go the way of candy cigarettes and fall way out of fashion but I think there’s a place for imitative violent play.
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Post by quinlove on Nov 9, 2018 1:43:40 GMT
Nerf guns, cap guns, some more realistic than others. Heck, even water guns. Why are we allowing companies to peddle these to our kids? What excuse do we tell ourselves to rationalize normalization of gun use/play in these times when mass murders are being carried out with guns several times a year? Can we let them go the way of candy cigarettes please? And I do realize that I'm a bit extreme on the matter. So, yes, I'm the mom that doesn't allow gun toys. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the matter, even if you don't agree with me. I’ll sit next to you. We never had guns in our house ever. As a family, we went to someone’s house for a visit back in the 80s. Everyone was outside; me and my son, who was about 12 at the time, were in the living room. On the coffee table was a pistol. We both were scared to death of it. Our eyes couldn’t have gotten any bigger ! We even went so far as to move far away from the table. This was all done almost silently. I think we were the only ones inside at that point. When my husband came back inside, we instantly showed it to him. He explained to us that it was a cigarette lighter !!
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Post by mcjunkin on Nov 9, 2018 1:51:02 GMT
My husband and I both come from hunting families (for food, not sport). As expected, our kids have followed suit. Toy guns is how we taught out kids our "gun rules" and gun safety. They were allowed toy guns, dart guns, nerf guns, etc, but were expected to handle them in the same manner as real ones. No pointing/shooting at anyone or pets. Target shooting only. Hold pointing toward ground, etc. There was an understanding that if they could not handle the fake ones, there would be no handling of the real ones when they were of appropriate age. Worked well for us.
ETA: Once the kids were old enough to clearly understand the distinction between the two, we of course have had nerf wars around the house.
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Post by LeaP on Nov 9, 2018 1:58:55 GMT
Toy guns are fun. I had cap guns growing up and my girls have had all manner of Nerf, squirt and Airsoft guns and rifles. They also had candy cigarettes, violent video games, sips of wine and racy tv shows. My belief was to expose them to as much as possible and not make things into forbidden fruit. So far so good, neither one is confused between video or toy violence and the real thing. The only confusion is that our dog is not actually "the baby" I have marched, contributed and voted for gun control my entire life and will continue to push for regulation of all guns. Toy guns aren't on my radar.
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Post by heather on Nov 9, 2018 2:01:07 GMT
Because people enjoy playing with them and they don't hurt anyone? Post and opinions like this are why the gun owners and gun rights people dig their heels in when reasonable gun control is discussed. So posts like this completely overrides the multiple mass murders we see every week?
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Post by fredfreddy44 on Nov 9, 2018 2:34:16 GMT
Because we live in a society where we can still make free choices that is why.
My sons have a huge collection of Nerf guns and always will.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 9, 2018 3:58:52 GMT
Because people enjoy playing with them and they don't hurt anyone? Post and opinions like this are why the gun owners and gun rights people dig their heels in when reasonable gun control is discussed. I don’t know about that. My dad is a huge gun rights activist (I disagree with him on many points) and we were never allowed to play with toy guns as a child. His POV was that guns aren’t toys and shouldn’t be treated as such. You never aim a gun at a person you’re not intending to kill and so you shouldn’t be aiming toy guns at people either. So no water guns or you don’t point the water at people  Our teens and even adults love their water gun fights and we enjoy watching them.
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 9, 2018 4:15:28 GMT
I agree with you.
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Post by DEX on Nov 9, 2018 4:27:13 GMT
I forbid my son from having guns when he was little. Darn kid grew up to be a police officer.
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Post by pajamamama on Nov 9, 2018 5:26:04 GMT
I had a friend who took a hard line with her little boys, banning all manner of toy guns, etc. Kids went outside with masking tape and created an arsenal out of sticks. Some kids will make weapons out of anything. We are a hunting family, so it was never an issue. Our kids were taught at an early age about gun safety. We did have to make extra efforts in storage, everything under lock and key.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 9, 2018 6:00:20 GMT
I had a friend who took a hard line with her little boys, banning all manner of toy guns, etc. Kids went outside with masking tape and created an arsenal out of sticks. Some kids will make weapons out of anything. We are a hunting family, so it was never an issue. Our kids were taught at an early age about gun safety. We did have to make extra efforts in storage, everything under lock and key. my mil didn't allow even toy guns for a long time. She laughs now as dh and bil made guns out of everything they could find Eta: DJ, bil, and fil are currently on a hunting trip. Yds just got back
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 9, 2018 6:02:39 GMT
Because people enjoy playing with them and they don't hurt anyone? Post and opinions like this are why the gun owners and gun rights people dig their heels in when reasonable gun control is discussed. So posts like this completely overrides the multiple mass murders we see every week? No, the "we need to ban every gun out there" rhetoric is enough to convince even some moderate leaning gun owners to not give that inch or they [the government] will eventually come for all guns.
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Post by katiejane on Nov 9, 2018 17:38:29 GMT
Gun role play and toy guns are played with by lots of children around the world. I worked in early years and we didn't ban them as it is a type of conflict and power role play which is common for boys. If the play is agreed with clear rules in the game children cananage their play. But then I live in the UK where the gun culture is very different and it is not linked to gun and violence issues in later life.
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Post by librarylady on Nov 9, 2018 18:15:03 GMT
When my son was a preschooler I would not purchase a toy gun. The morning he chewed the edges off his toast and made himself a toy gun, I realised my goal was defeated.
Viewing old westerns as well as the Star Wars movies ---well, that let him know guns were needed to give him the power to defeat his "enemies."
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Nov 9, 2018 18:54:34 GMT
Our boys have nerf guns. We always taught them not to point at people or animals. We've set up targets for them to shoot at. YDS has quite a few nerf guns and he generally shoots them down the hallway for the cats to chase the darts. He and the cats can play for hours doing this. There is nothing violent or negative about it. The kids know all about gun safety and the difference between real guns and nerf guns. We don't allow them to have any gun that looks real, they noticeably have to look like toys, even from a distance.
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Post by missmcd on Nov 9, 2018 19:27:30 GMT
I choose not to purchase toy guns for my sons because I don't want them to think guns are toys.
They are 4 and almost 2, maybe once they are older and can decipher the difference I will change my mind. Until then I tell them guns are not toys and they aren't making guns out of any items in or outside our home as of yet.
When my four year old sees a toys gun he recites, "Guns are for protection, not toys." Call me whatever you want but that's our rule right now.
I have a concealed handgun license and a pistol in our house. The clip is upstairs and the gun is now downstairs, so much for protection right?! After having my kids I decided the two would never be stored together again.
I live in Texas where you could say there are a good amount of "crazy gun supporters." I will say this, if gun control meant I had to give my gun to the government to protect my kids and all other kids (hell adults too) from another mass shooting, I would do it in a freaking heartbeat!!
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Post by peabrain on Nov 9, 2018 19:43:34 GMT
I was at a high school theater competition recently and one of the plays had a girl holding a gun while talking for quite a bit of the play. She'd wave that (fake) gun all around. My only issue was that no one obviously explained to her that she shouldn't have her finger on the trigger the whole play.
I sort of took minor offense to it being pointed in my general direction, but I thought probably general firearm safety hadn't been explained. I realize IT'S FAKE, but if you're trying to pretend it's real...
I just didn't think she should have had her finger on the trigger. unsettling.
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