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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 20:01:37 GMT
To be fair I think this question should be asked of us liberals as well.
I’ll start the ball rolling..
* I believe in social issues because to me it’s how we , as humans, treat others that are seen as different or those that need some help to reach their potential.
* I believe in protecting the environment.
* I believe in a woman’s right to choose.
* I believe all gun laws should be national and if you chose to own a gun you should be held accountable for what happens to the gun.
* I believe in structuring our education systems to a) give all kids an equal education and b) prepare them for jobs of the future. I support community 2 year colleges being free, as long as they include trade schools. Anything else, you are on your own.
* Immigration - I believe our borders should be secured but a wall on the southern border is not the most efficient way of handling it. I don’t think it should be too easy for folks to become citizens. I believe we have to find a way to handle the millions of undocumented folks we allowed to stay in this country for decades that is the exact opposite of what trump and ICE are doing now.
* I don’t believe Wall Street and the rich are our enemies. But I do believe they need to be regulated, pay a fair tax , and close those damn loopholes in the tax codes.
* I do support “Medicare for all” as soon as we find a viable way to pay for it. “Just pay for it” doesn’t cut it in my book because just paying for it will cause cuts in other programs that, an argument could be made , are as important as healthcare for all. And, I’m still not convinced it would be as cheap to the average family as Sanders wants you to believe. It’s better to take our time to come up with a plan that will work as advertised instead rushing through a plan that will cause chaos.
* Instead of pushing inceasing a $15, we should concentrate on moving folks out the poverty into the middle class. A strong large middle class is more beneficial to all Americans and the country.
What I see is a push by some in the party to move us really left. While I personally don’t mind moving a bit more to the left, I honestly believe if the Democratic Party goes as far left as Bernie Sanders and his bros want, it could be just as destructive to the country as trump and associates actions are doing to the country today.
I do believe this country is best govern from the middle, leaning a little left or right rather governing from either extreme.
But to get to that point the word “compromise” has to be added to our vocabulary once again. And each side needs to decide what is important to them and what they believe so the conversation can begin with the understanding each side is not going to get everything they want.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 10, 2018 20:03:22 GMT
To be fair I think this question should be asked of us liberals as well. I’ll start the ball rolling.. * I believe in social issues because to me it’s how we , as humans, treat others that are seen as different or those that need some help to reach their potential. * I believe in protecting the environment. * I believe in a woman’s right to choose. * I believe all gun laws should be national and if you chose to own a gun you should be held accountable for what happens to the gun. * I believe in structuring our education systems to a) give all kids an equal education and b) prepare them for jobs of the future. I support community 2 year colleges being free, as long as they include trade schools. Anything else, you are on your own. * Immigration - I believe our borders should be secured but a wall on the southern border is not the most efficient way of handling it. I don’t think it should be too easy for folks to become citizens. I believe we have to find a way to handle the millions of undocumented folks we allowed to stay in this country for decades that is the exact opposite of what trump and ICE are doing now. * I don’t believe Wall Street and the rich are our enemies. But I do believe they need to be regulated, pay a fair tax , and close those damn loopholes in the tax codes. * I do support “Medicare for all” as soon as we find a viable way to pay for it. “Just pay for it” doesn’t cut it in my book because just paying for it will cause cuts in other programs that, an argument could be made , are as important as healthcare for all. And, I’m still not convinced it would be as cheap to the average family as Sanders wants you to believe. It’s better to take our time to come up with a plan that will work as advertised instead rushing through a plan that will cause chaos. * Instead of pushing inceasing a $15, we should concentrate on moving folks out the poverty into the middle class. A strong large middle class is more beneficial to all Americans and the country. What I see is a push by some in the party to move us really left. While I personally don’t mind moving a bit more to the left, I honestly believe if the Democratic Party goes as far left as Bernie Sanders and his bros want, it coukd be just as destructive to the country as trump and associates actions are doing to the country today. I do believe this country is best govern from the middle, leaning a little left or right rather governing from either extreme. But to get to that point the word “compromise” has to be added to our vocabulary once again. And each side needs to decide what is important to them and what they believe so the conversation can begin with the understanding each side is not going to get everything they want. I can be on board with this. |
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Post by PLurker on Nov 10, 2018 20:09:57 GMT
To be fair I think this question should be asked of us liberals as well. I’ll start the ball rolling.. * I believe in social issues because to me it’s how we , as humans, treat others that are seen as different or those that need some help to reach their potential.* I believe in protecting the environment. * I believe in a woman’s right to choose. * I believe all gun laws should be national and if you chose to own a gun you should be held accountable for what happens to the gun. * I believe in structuring our education systems to a) give all kids an equal education and b) prepare them for jobs of the future. I support community 2 year colleges being free, as long as they include trade schools. Anything else, you are on your own. * Immigration - I believe our borders should be secured but a wall on the southern border is not the most efficient way of handling it. I don’t think it should be too easy for folks to become citizens. I believe we have to find a way to handle the millions of undocumented folks we allowed to stay in this country for decades that is the exact opposite of what trump and ICE are doing now. * I don’t believe Wall Street and the rich are our enemies. But I do believe they need to be regulated, pay a fair tax , and close those damn loopholes in the tax codes. * I do support “Medicare for all” as soon as we find a viable way to pay for it. “Just pay for it” doesn’t cut it in my book because just paying for it will cause cuts in other programs that, an argument could be made , are as important as healthcare for all. And, I’m still not convinced it would be as cheap to the average family as Sanders wants you to believe. It’s better to take our time to come up with a plan that will work as advertised instead rushing through a plan that will cause chaos. * Instead of pushing inceasing a $15, we should concentrate on moving folks out the poverty into the middle class. A strong large middle class is more beneficial to all Americans and the country. What I see is a push by some in the party to move us really left. While I personally don’t mind moving a bit more to the left, I honestly believe if the Democratic Party goes as far left as Bernie Sanders and his bros want, it coukd be just as destructive to the country as trump and associates actions are doing to the country today. I do believe this country is best govern from the middle, leaning a little left or right rather governing from either extreme. But to get to that point the word “compromise” has to be added to our vocabulary once again. And each side needs to decide what is important to them and what they believe so the conversation can begin with the understanding each side is not going to get everything they want. I can be on board with this. Ditto. I bolded the first point above because I believe it encompasses them all. Be kind, do unto others, don't be an a$$hole, equality for all, put yourself in others shoes, it's not all about you, etc... if those things were followed the rest of the stuff would fall into place. Policies should be made with everyone in mind, not self interests. Good (best) for all. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 10, 2018 20:17:00 GMT
I agree with your definition.
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Post by AmandaA on Nov 10, 2018 20:29:52 GMT
I would also add that, for me, your religion is none of my business. Peacefully worship whatever deity you choose, or none at all. I don’t believe that you should be forced to live out my personal religious beliefs and values.
And while I have always considered myself to be a moderate, truly belonging to neither party on all issues, these are the values that shape my world view at this point in time. So I guess in 2018 America that makes me a liberal 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by lucyg on Nov 10, 2018 21:29:48 GMT
I would agree with most of your points. Not with holding gun owners responsible for what criminals do with their stolen guns.
I agree with the PPs that government and religion don’t mix.
I do believe that single-payer medical can work, but people need to understand it would involve higher taxes ... which would be offset by lower personal expenses for medical care. I think that’s a huge sticking point for our people. Unfortunately.
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Post by Country Ham on Nov 10, 2018 22:08:24 GMT
I would agree with most of your points. Not with holding gun owners responsible for what criminals do with their stolen guns. I agree with the PPs that government and religion don’t mix. I do believe that single-payer medical can work, but people need to understand it would involve higher taxes ... which would be offset by lower personal expenses for medical care. I think that’s a huge sticking point for our people. Unfortunately. But if you get rid of all these insurance companies that control our health care it shouldn't be a lot different. So many people I know in my tax bracket are paying 500-800 dollars a MONTH for insurance and still have co-pays, deductibles (individuals and family) and so many out of network fees. I honestly don't believe I will have to pay that much per month in taxes compared to what I pay now. Insurances are such a big business that they will never be obsolete and will always control our health care. It also depends on controlling heath care costs. I can't pay for both private insurance at these costs, AND more taxes for heath care. It has to be one over the other.
Take my son's retainer (dental not medical but same principle). He lost it. I called his ortho and they said it would be at minimum 400 to replace. I called our local dentist who does his cleanings and she quoted me 100 dollars for the exact same thing. Our local office is doing my daughter's braces. She has NO contracts with any insurance companies. They do bill them for you and you might get some out of network coverage. Her costs are a way lower then the other dentists in neighboring counties who are contracted with insurance companies. That's a problem with the system.
A service provided should cost the same amount so matter how payment is received. A doctor's office visit shouldn't cost 60 dollars if you don't have insurance, but 160 if you do.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Nov 10, 2018 22:15:55 GMT
I believe the quality of a school's education program shouldn't depend on the zip code and amount of property taxes in the area. I believe all schools should get appropriate funding and resources.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 10, 2018 22:56:41 GMT
I would agree with most of your points. Not with holding gun owners responsible for what criminals do with their stolen guns. I agree with the PPs that government and religion don’t mix. I do believe that single-payer medical can work, but people need to understand it would involve higher taxes ... which would be offset by lower personal expenses for medical care. I think that’s a huge sticking point for our people. Unfortunately. Yes, a universal healthcare program can work. The higher taxes would be offset by lower/no deductibles and copays. Healthcare costs MUST be transparent. You don't buy anything else in your life without knowing the cost upfront, so why do we get a complete run around from hospitals when facing surgery? Taxes are not a bad thing. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 10, 2018 22:58:56 GMT
I would also add—
Stop trying to force ONE (your chosen) religion down my throat,
And, let ME decide what happens to my body medically.
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Post by mom on Nov 10, 2018 23:02:16 GMT
I would agree with most of your points. Not with holding gun owners responsible for what criminals do with their stolen guns.
I agree with the PPs that government and religion don’t mix. I do believe that single-payer medical can work, but people need to understand it would involve higher taxes ... which would be offset by lower personal expenses for medical care. I think that’s a huge sticking point for our people. Unfortunately. Lucy - can you expand on this? I am not sure I am understanding what you mean. You don't want gun owners responsible for what happens with their guns? |
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Post by lucyg on Nov 10, 2018 23:12:55 GMT
I would agree with most of your points. Not with holding gun owners responsible for what criminals do with their stolen guns.
I agree with the PPs that government and religion don’t mix. I do believe that single-payer medical can work, but people need to understand it would involve higher taxes ... which would be offset by lower personal expenses for medical care. I think that’s a huge sticking point for our people. Unfortunately. Lucy - can you expand on this? I am not sure I am understanding what you mean. You don't want gun owners responsible for what happens with their guns?  It’s a minor disagreement between @fred and me. She feels that gun owners should be held legally responsible for misuse of their weapons if stolen from their home or vehicle (IOW, if the gun wasn’t properly locked down) and I disagree. Stuff happens, and criminals alone are responsible for what they do. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2018 23:15:11 GMT
All/most of the above, plus I think we need to stop fighting unwinnable foreign wars and invest that money at home.
I do think people should be held responsible for what happens with guns that were not properly secured. If your child shoots himself or someone else with the gun in your night table, or if someone is murdered with gun you stashed in your glove box in a parked car, I think you should be prosecuted. We need to insist that responsible gun owners are, in fact, responsible. And I think there need to be uniform federal laws so a person from Chicago, say, can’t just waltz over to Indiana and buy himself an arsenal.
I think we should acknowledge the huge part currently illegal immigrants play in our economy and find a way for people who want to work to be here legally.
I think we should follow our own asylum laws and not just make them up as we go along.
I think “news” should be a word that has to mean something specific, like “organic.” Outlets that consistently publish a certain number of false items - things for which there is no evidence - should have to put a warning on each page that the site is not news but entertainment.
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Post by elaine on Nov 10, 2018 23:22:29 GMT
I would add equal pay for equal work - I.e., continuing to fight discrimination against women, persons of color, and LGBTQ in the workplace.
Equal rights and protections for LGBTQ, including marriage and spousal benefits given to heterosexual couples.
National universal gun registration. No “off the books” sales - private and gun show sales held to same background checks and registration.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 10, 2018 23:35:40 GMT
I would agree with most of your points. Not with holding gun owners responsible for what criminals do with their stolen guns. I agree with the PPs that government and religion don’t mix. I do believe that single-payer medical can work, but people need to understand it would involve higher taxes ... which would be offset by lower personal expenses for medical care. I think that’s a huge sticking point for our people. Unfortunately. I agree with @fred's very thorough list, as well as keeping religion out of government. Like you Lucy, I'm not sure about the gun owners being responsible for what criminals do with their guns if stolen. I'd have to think more about that point, as I can see both sides. I do, of course, support far tougher gun control in your country - before you all kill each other. The other main point from an outsider looking in is healthcare. Yes I pay additional taxes* but I can go to the doctor any time and pay nothing (at a bulk billed clinic) or about $28 after my Medicare rebate. Earlier this year I had three doctors appointments, one hip x-ray and two ultrasounds (for my hip and shoulder) over the course of a few weeks, and all it cost me was the initial doctor's fee of about $35. *The Medicare levy is now 2% of my taxable income. There are additional surcharges of 1% for higher income earners over $90k for singles or $180k for families, and up to 1.5% for 140k/280k IF you don't have private health cover. If you have private health cover you don't have to pay the additional surcharge.
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Post by mom on Nov 10, 2018 23:38:23 GMT
Lucy - can you expand on this? I am not sure I am understanding what you mean. You don't want gun owners responsible for what happens with their guns? It’s a minor disagreement between @fred and me. She feels that gun owners should be held legally responsible for misuse of their weapons if stolen from their home or vehicle (IOW, if the gun wasn’t properly locked down) and I disagree. Stuff happens, and criminals alone are responsible for what they do. ok, gotcha. Thats what I thought you were saying, but wanted to make sure. |
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Post by quinlove on Nov 11, 2018 0:01:30 GMT
If you need medical marijuana ~ it should be available to you.
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Post by artgirl1 on Nov 11, 2018 0:11:59 GMT
I would agree with most of the above, with some modification.
Gun owners should be responsible for their guns, and any actions that result. If your gun is stolen, report it, don't just ignore it. No child should have any access to it.
Health care should be available equally to all citizens, and the costs should be equal to all. Insurance should again be regulated, and medical costs should be consistent across the board. Health Insurance should revert to a not for profit model, as it was prior to Nixon's deal with his buddy and campaign donor Kaiser.
Gerrymandering should be illegal, and all re-districting should be in a grid modification based upon population. No more districts that wrap around 5 counties, with 2 other districts within its borders.
The path to citizenship should be revised, with the money costs lowered, but I think it should be a requirement that they learn to speak the English language , and possibly include a period of public service. It should be available to all seeking citizenship from all nations equally.
Members of congress should have term limits, and their pensions should not be available after only 5 years, but the retirement program should be modified to a contributory plan.
They should also be required to have minimum performance standards of work for their positions (ie monthly town halls, reports to their employers, the citizens they represent). They should also be restricted from any lobbying for 10 years after their terms are completed, and from being seated on any corporate boards. Also, Congress should not determine if they are entitle to an increase in their pay, but should be submitted to the electorate to determine if they should have a raise. (for background, Republicans have voted 9 times in favor in raising their salary for a total of $99,000, but have voted 14 times against raising minimum wage). All elected officials should be fully transparent in their own financial affairs, which means all taxes are public record.
I want the tax code to apply fairly to all citizens, and I want churches to be taxed as the corporations that they are.
I want the government out of any decisions about my body.
I want religion and churches out of politics and politics out of religion and churches.
I want clean air and water, and protection for the environment.
I want all schools to be funded equally, regardless of the town and neighborhood.
I want us out of foreign wars and trying to force our model of democracy upon other nations.
I want us to be compassionate and empathize with with our fellow citizens, and the world as a whole.
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I want all nationally elected officials to submit to complete psychological exams.
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Post by huskergal on Nov 11, 2018 0:45:05 GMT
I do not want a universal minimum wage. $15 an hour means a great deal of difference depending upon where you live. It could cripple small business owners in rural areas.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 11, 2018 4:38:51 GMT
I would agree with most of your points. Not with holding gun owners responsible for what criminals do with their stolen guns. I agree with the PPs that government and religion don’t mix. I do believe that single-payer medical can work, but people need to understand it would involve higher taxes ... which would be offset by lower personal expenses for medical care. I think that’s a huge sticking point for our people. Unfortunately. Im okay with higher taxes to pay for it. I've worked under both systems and I think what people pay a month in health insurance premiums (assuming that companies that calculate their premium contributions as part of a salary - made them part of a salary) vs what they'd pay in higher taxes, it would be a wash. In fact you might even come out ahead, if you are chronically ill. |
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It’s a minor disagreement between @fred and me. 
