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Post by AN on Nov 15, 2018 22:57:42 GMT
We knew when we bought our current house, the remaining lifespan on the HVAC systems was limited. We actually have 3 complete systems, which is nice for the layout of our house and not using energy to heat/cool areas we aren't in (one is for master bedroom area only, one is for upstairs "game room" only, main area is covered by the large system).
Well hellllllo the time has come. We get regular maintenance, and they've told us - yep, these are way past their lifespan and we can't believe they're still running based on some of the issues. Today the main area furnace stopped working, and it could be a variety of things. The first thing they'd try would be $320. From there, there are like 4 other things that are about to go out from what they can see, which would be $2K.
Soooooooooooooooo I think it's time to replace it instead of put expensive band-aids on. This is a company we really trust (after VERY BAD home warranty experiences) and that has an excellent reputation, not pushy at all.
I've got 3 different, well-reviewed & trusted, companies coming out tomorrow to give me quotes. I KNOW NOTHING. What should I know about replacing HVAC? We definitely at least need that furnace replaced, but honestly - we know that 2 of the systems, including outdoor AC units, really need to be replaced. One is 20 years old and literally half sunken into the ground and looks like a rust-bucket.
I'm wondering if I'll get a better price if I have them do it all at once. Or should I piece-meal it as parts go out?
All thoughts welcome! We already have nest thermostats, and I know our energy efficiency will improve with new units. With something like this, I want to buy quality... but dang, it's hard to figure out what quality is?
Oh, and the HVAC guy mentioned that sometimes you can get a Home Warranty company to buy you out for cash in lieu of repairs. Our Home Warranty expires 12/4. I stopped using them months ago because the HVAC guys they were sending were legitimately scary scam artists. That's how we found this trusted company that we just pay out of pocket for. Has anyone had experience getting cash from a Home Warranty company? It seems like it's going to be a giant insane hassle and they're going to jerk me around, but also... if I can get a few thousand out of them, I mean...
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Post by AN on Nov 15, 2018 22:58:41 GMT
sharlag How do I buy quality and know I'm making the right purchase? Also, it slightly alarms me at how quickly all 3 companies are able to come out. I called them at 4 PM and all 3 are able to come out tomorrow. I know this is how they make their money and it's a business that operates mostly on emergencies so they don't book too far in advance, but... wow. I was like, "Okkkay them selling me this furnace is clearly high priority."
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Post by lindas on Nov 15, 2018 23:23:29 GMT
We just replaced our air and furnace last fall. The furnace probably had another 2 yrs or so of life but we got a discount on the installation to do both at the same time. We went with Lennox, they had a better warranty And I couldn't be happier with the units. Last winter was the first time I haven't had to put on 3 layers to stay warm.
Be sure to ask when they come out if there are any rebates being offered by the various manufacturers. The guy that gave me the best price neglected to tell my about the rebate and the fact that my state was still offering a rebate for upgrading to a more efficient unit. Needless to say I went with the slightly higher priced company, the rebates more than made us for the additional cost. We did have to pay for a home energy efficient survey but we wound up getting $1200 back from the state plus, I think, about a $1500 rebate on the new unit.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Nov 15, 2018 23:47:31 GMT
Back in 2016, when we knew we would be selling our house within a year, we replaced the entire HVAC system ~ two units as we had separate upstairs and downstairs units. We had been using the same HVAC guy for 20 years plus DH recommended him for all his clients. I recommend getting it all done at once. Our old systems were from 1990 and the difference was amazing! FYI: he gave us a deal and it was about $12,000. Don't know if they have this law in Texas but in CA, an inspector has to come out and do a test to make sure all your ducting is sealed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 0:00:53 GMT
My daughter had to replace everything in her new home. She got a sizeable savings by doing it all at once. Plus they said it would be harder for the new system to work efficiently with a furnace that was 15+ years old. She is happy she did it all at once. And I had something happen to my system today around 9:30 a.m. My repair person was here within 4 hours of me calling. They also came very quickly when my daughter needed help. They made thousands off of her but only $331 off of me today. 
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Post by dudleypippen on Nov 16, 2018 0:02:33 GMT
We have two small units for our house- one for downstairs and one for upstairs. When one of them went out two years ago we decided to go ahead and replace both because they both had exceeded their life expectancy. I think it was around 12,000 for both units, including a service warranty. There was a financing option with 0% interest that we took advantage of as well as a small tax rebate. They are Trane systems. The sale rep was able to come out for a quote within a day or two of me calling.
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Post by chaosisapony on Nov 16, 2018 0:27:16 GMT
I wonder if your quick appointment times are just due to the time of year? It's not super cold yet, but not hot either so they are probably just not busy right now. In the summer, I could barely get any a/c companies to call me back let alone make an appointment for a quote on a new system. It was ridiculous.
A couple tips I did get from the guy that came out and installed my a/c:
-Don't get sucked into buying a more expensive higher seer unit purely for efficiency. He said that yes, they are very efficient but they don't always make your house cool! -Where your thermostat is placed makes a big difference. It should be as close to the unit as possible.
My situation was a little different than the typical a/c replacement and cost was a huge factor for me. I wound up with a Goodman unit. It was inexpensive but so far it's worked great. I ran it A LOT this summer because I really wanted to make sure that everything was going to be ok with it since it was brand new. My a/c guy was awesome at tweaking it for maximum cooling power and in the end it only increased my electricity bill by about $30/month vs having no air conditioning at all.
I know absolutely nothing about furnaces. Good luck!
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Post by sharlag on Nov 16, 2018 1:51:49 GMT
Don't get sucked into buying a more expensive higher seer unit purely for efficiency. He said that yes, they are very efficient but they don't always make your house cool! -Where your thermostat is placed makes a big difference. It should be as close to the unit as possible. Neither of these make any sense to me. I don't mean to be a jerk, but I've been in the business for 30 years and I don't see how either of those statements are true. Thermostats need to be in a central area, because it's the device that tells the ac and furnace what temperature the house is, and when to shut on and off. They should not be directly in the zone where a supply vent is blowing cool or warm air on it. Higher efficiency generally have more computer elements, and therefore breakdowns are more expensive to fix (just like the newer cars with the cool features). But high efficiency should cool just like the minimum 13 SEER do. Better, actually-- because they have the features that allow the output to adjust for demand, rather than just on and off being the only option. If it's installed correctly. Correct installation is an important part of making sure the system works optimally. Investigate the company, make sure they have trained installers, and look for reviews. Make sure they have insurance and licenses, of course. Trane and American Standard both are at the top of the ratings for needing fewer repairs. We sell Trane, and I know that the manufacturer is careful to sell only to dealers who meet certain criteria-- training and general business practices, a certain minimum consumer rating, etc. Look for Comfort Specialists if you go with Trane-- that's how Trane designates an install company has jumped through the hoops for quality, training, etc. We are getting to our potential customers needing new equipment really quickly right now as well. Same day or the next, if possible. It just seasonally hasn't gotten so busy that we have a backlog. Plus it's just smart to make a connection with the customer when they're in the decision making time frame. Yes, 3 systems at once should cost less than 1 at a time. Just the travel time for the crew would be a savings, plus they'll want the big sale, so they'll sharpen their pencils. This is rebate and special offers season, so check on that. Make sure the proposal is detailed with fuel efficiency ratings, and other specifics. I can send you a copy of one of our proposals if you want, so you can see which line items that we include. And ask for extra stuff cheap-- humidifier, high efficiency filtration, like that, because you have a big 3 system sale and that is worth something. Also see if an outside entity (the city codes enforcement, maybe) will inspect afterward. In our town, licensed contractors have to report the job for that purpose.
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Post by chaosisapony on Nov 16, 2018 2:20:01 GMT
Don't get sucked into buying a more expensive higher seer unit purely for efficiency. He said that yes, they are very efficient but they don't always make your house cool! -Where your thermostat is placed makes a big difference. It should be as close to the unit as possible. Neither of these make any sense to me. I don't mean to be a jerk, but I've been in the business for 30 years and I don't see how either of those statements are true. You're certainly not a jerk to correct my statements. It doesn't make any sense to me but I don't know anything about HVAC systems. So I figured he was the professional...
My old thermostat was in a central location which made sense to me. He removed it and re-installed a new one right by the furnace because that was supposed to be the "correct" way to do it. Again, makes no sense to me LOL. Thanks for confirming that!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 11:23:45 GMT
Neither of these make any sense to me. I don't mean to be a jerk, but I've been in the business for 30 years and I don't see how either of those statements are true. You're certainly not a jerk to correct my statements. It doesn't make any sense to me but I don't know anything about HVAC systems. So I figured he was the professional...
My old thermostat was in a central location which made sense to me. He removed it and re-installed a new one right by the furnace because that was supposed to be the "correct" way to do it. Again, makes no sense to me LOL. Thanks for confirming that!
When my daughter just got all of her new units, the sales person told her not to go with the "bigger/better" because it wouldn't be worth the extra cost because her house is only 1,200 sq. ft. He said the smaller units would be just as efficient for her small square footage. I wonder if that's what happens. Maybe some sales people try to sell the bigger/better units when it's really not necessary for the size of home. I hope that makes sense. And sharlag, my daughter was required to have the city come out to inspect. Thankfully the installing company set it all up for her. She also will join their maintenance plan (which we always recommend). 
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Post by AN on Nov 16, 2018 14:34:30 GMT
Thank you all so much!! If I could tag your posts as "Love" instead of just thumbs up, I would! sharlag Thank you!! I will PM you if you're willing to send me the quote so I can look at what a good level of detail looks like. I'm super glad you mentioned asking for a good price on add-ons. A humidifier is something I'm definitely interested in (although I feel like I've heard people say they don't work that well? But maybe they have changed), so it's a topic I'll bring up. The company I've been using for maintenance is a Trane Comfort specialist and sells Trane/AS, so that's reassuring that's the brand you guys prefer too. I'm really hoping they're competitive on their quote. I'm willing to pay some more, but not insane amounts more. But I've liked working with them and would like to keep that relationship instead of switching if possible. I printed out and went back through all my paperwork on repairs this morning. Turns out the main area A/C is the only thing the company didn't tag as recommending replacement when they did summer maintenance. Of course! Right now we have the below -- I have all these notes ready for the companies coming out to give me quotes. Master area (covers 2 bedrooms/bathroom/closet) - about 800 sq ftOriginal 1999 York Heat/Air Handler (replaced the control board in March) Original 1999 York 3-ton 10 SEER AC, notes from maintenance said evaporator coil is on it's way out, condenser motor bearing is loose, blade out of balance, high start amps, weak dual capacitor. It's a sad-ass looking little rusty unit that has sunken into the ground like 8 inches! But seems to work fine, but if it's a good savings, might do that system at the same time. Main Area - about 2000 sq ft Original 1999 York Heat/Air Handler. This is the one the pressure switch was giving a fault on yesterday. Apparently blower motor bearings are also going and hot surface igniter is overheated. Noted "safety concerns on the heat exchanger" but didn't discuss with me verbally. 2006 American Standard A/C, but the compressor in it was replaced with a Copeland compressor. Replaced the capacitor in September because it was at 0 causing high run amps and overheating compressor. Upstairs Bonus area - 350 sq ft2001 Carrier Heat/Air Handler 2001 Carrier 2-ton 12 SEER A/C, maintenance notes from August said evap coil very rusty and signs of refrigerant leaking, with high start amps on compressor. Not having any active issues with this system right now and not planning to replace, but I guess it is 17 years old... so probably won't sink much into fixing it if it does have problems.
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