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Post by Olan on Nov 30, 2018 20:05:52 GMT
"It's a blast beating people" Imagine being a black police officer tasked with going undercover in the Black Lives Matter movement, only to be beaten by your own colleagues. In addition to his physical injuries, I bet he recognizes he's been on the wrong side of things for over 2 decades. "The alleged assault took place after officer Jason Stockley was acquitted of murder on Sept. 15, 2017. Stockley had killed the 24-year-old Smith in 2011 after an alleged drug deal, shooting him five times after a high-speed chase. Stockley carried an unauthorized, personal AK-47 during the confrontation and was heard in a recording saying “we’re killing this motherfucker.” After the acquittal, protests erupted for days around St. Louis, including a large protest on Sept. 17, the night of Hall’s assault. According to the Post-Dispatch, court records show the three officers accused of the beating had exchanged gleeful texts after Stockley’s acquittal was announced. They expressed excitement about the prospect of attacking protesters. Myers, who had been with the department for three years, wrote, “let’s whoop some ass.” Boone texted, “It’s gonna get IGNORANT tonight!!” He added: “It’s gonna be a lot of fun beating the hell out of these shitheads once the sun goes down and nobody can tell us apart!!!!” "To protest leaders, the federal charges are a welcome measure of justice — but also a sign of how far St. Louis still has to go four years after the Ferguson protests helped galvanize a national movement for police accountability. “If it was not a police officer — and particularly a black police officer — who was the victim of this assault, would we be at this juncture?” the Rev. Darryl Gray, one of the protest organizers, said to The Washington Post. “We’ve had several incidents of protesters and activists being the victims of excessive use of force and police abusing their authority without ever seeing charges like this.”
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Post by busy on Nov 30, 2018 20:08:50 GMT
Good lord, that’s awful. I hope they’re found guilty and get the book thrown at them.
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Post by Olan on Nov 30, 2018 20:16:08 GMT
Good lord, that’s awful. I hope they’re found guilty and get the book thrown at them. Yes me too. Including the girlfriend of one of the officers who likely leaked the black officer identity to the press. Though even with a guilty verdict, I can't see how it will change the very systematic racism found in all police departments. |
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Post by busy on Nov 30, 2018 20:28:01 GMT
Good lord, that’s awful. I hope they’re found guilty and get the book thrown at them. Yes me too. Including the girlfriend of one of the officers who likely leaked the black officer identity to the press. Though even with a guilty verdict, I can't see how it will change the very systematic racism found in all police departments. Of course it won’t, but one small step in making bad cops feel less protected when they do wrong (the victims of said wrongdoing, of course, are disproportionately people of color). |
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Post by tracylynn on Nov 30, 2018 20:31:11 GMT
All 4 need to go down hard for this. It's horrific.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 30, 2018 20:31:33 GMT
"It's a blast beating people" Imagine being a black police officer tasked with going undercover in the Black Lives Matter movement, only to be beaten by your own colleagues. In addition to his physical injuries, I bet he recognizes he's been on the wrong side of things for over 2 decades. "The alleged assault took place after officer Jason Stockley was acquitted of murder on Sept. 15, 2017. Stockley had killed the 24-year-old Smith in 2011 after an alleged drug deal, shooting him five times after a high-speed chase. Stockley carried an unauthorized, personal AK-47 during the confrontation and was heard in a recording saying “we’re killing this motherfucker.” After the acquittal, protests erupted for days around St. Louis, including a large protest on Sept. 17, the night of Hall’s assault. According to the Post-Dispatch, court records show the three officers accused of the beating had exchanged gleeful texts after Stockley’s acquittal was announced. They expressed excitement about the prospect of attacking protesters. Myers, who had been with the department for three years, wrote, “let’s whoop some ass.” Boone texted, “It’s gonna get IGNORANT tonight!!” He added: “It’s gonna be a lot of fun beating the hell out of these shitheads once the sun goes down and nobody can tell us apart!!!!” "To protest leaders, the federal charges are a welcome measure of justice — but also a sign of how far St. Louis still has to go four years after the Ferguson protests helped galvanize a national movement for police accountability. “If it was not a police officer — and particularly a black police officer — who was the victim of this assault, would we be at this juncture?” the Rev. Darryl Gray, one of the protest organizers, said to The Washington Post. “We’ve had several incidents of protesters and activists being the victims of excessive use of force and police abusing their authority without ever seeing charges like this.” We all know the answer to Rev. Gray's question is "no".  |
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Post by Olan on Nov 30, 2018 20:42:57 GMT
Wouldnt it be awesome if the "good cops" did the job of making horrible humans beings feel uncomfortable becoming LEO's. It seems every force is filled with racists, wife beaters, traffickers etc. and it really does ruin the safety of all citizens. This isnt just a black people problem. Philando Castile was pulled over for "minor traffic offenses" something like a dozen times before he was murdered by police. Yet the crazy fuck who sent bombs to everyone drove around in that highly suspicious van for months without any attention from LE. Imagine how many LEO lives could be saved if they exercised extreme caution when dealing with actual criminals instead of killing innocent black people. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 30, 2018 20:45:49 GMT
I’m assuming the officer was undercover in order to get evidence against protestors but instead is beaten by those they were protesting? What a sad irony. And, I agree with Rev. Gray that, if the victim hadn’t been a police officer, you would probably not have seen charges brought.
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Post by maryannscraps on Nov 30, 2018 20:47:59 GMT
My God, I hadn't heard of this. It sounds so much like the Michael Cox case in Boston, back in the 90s. He was a black undercover police officer responding to a shooting. He identified himself and was brutally beaten by white police officers who thought he was the suspect. The department tried to cover it up and police officers harassed Cox for years -- slashing tires, crank calls, threats. He ended up being awarded around a million dollars in a civil lawsuit against the department -- and the city never disciplined any of the officers involved.
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Post by Olan on Nov 30, 2018 20:56:31 GMT
Ironic indeed. Especially given the details of the murder/acquittal the protest was in response too. Only in America, can a cop say, "let's kill this motherfucker" then proceed to murder an alleged criminal with his personal AK-47, and walk away free. How the black officer made the choice to go undercover knowing what he knew about the St Louis Police, baffles me. Black or white if you take an oath to protect and serve, that oath includes black people.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 30, 2018 21:24:12 GMT
It's horrific and only the tip of the iceberg. It is infuriating to think that people like that are in positions meant to protect and serve. If I was a police officer, or someone who loved a police officer, I would be so outraged that people like that exist on the police force. I know there are good cops out there. They need to push these scumbags off the force.
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Post by RosieKat on Nov 30, 2018 22:56:39 GMT
Though even with a guilty verdict, I can't see how it will change the very systematic racism found in all police departments. Trying to find something good from this, at least maybe it will help people who doubt it exists to see that it does. I hope. |
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Post by Olan on Nov 30, 2018 23:19:06 GMT
It may seem that I don't have an optimistic view of things changing because well...I aware historically what has happened and how little society cared then, evident by the fact, that it's still happening. And even if people now believe racism is as systematic as it has always been, if you don't do anything with that sad fact what will actually change. How many black people have to bury their loved ones before society decides it will intercede? You lined the streets after the election and are constantly moved by other causes so it doesn't take a lot to deduce how little good can be found in these tiny "victories". I'm just tired.
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Post by RosieKat on Dec 1, 2018 0:45:32 GMT
The thing is, society isn't one single object that can change. It can only change as more and more individual people do. So while the change is still unbearably and unforgiveably slow, at least it hopefully continues. You're right, if people don't do anything about it, it doesn't matter. But the more and more people realize that yes, institutional racism is real and isn't just a few outliers crying foul, then more and more people will be willing to hear and listen and work for change. Tiny victories do accumulate eventually, often at great and unconscionable cost, but less cost overall than if the fight wasn't fought.
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Post by Really Red on Dec 1, 2018 1:10:30 GMT
I read this article earlier today. I have a hard time fathoming the unconscionable behavior of these men. I am incredibly grateful and impressed by the officer who put his life at risk by going undercover. What a person!!! It gives me shivers to think of him putting himself in death's way to show what is going on.
And just shame. Pure, pure shame on these men who did and do this. What is wrong with them?
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Post by Olan on Oct 23, 2019 0:41:12 GMT
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Post by Olan on Jun 16, 2020 13:36:41 GMT
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Post by catmom on Jun 16, 2020 14:17:21 GMT
That is interesting. I see the police union is fighting tooth and nail to keep status quo. That they are threatening to discipline anyone who takes a knee with the protesters makes it clear they are determined to be adversarial. The only way change will come is from this kind of outside pressure. It would be ideal if these unions would be disbanded. |
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 16, 2020 16:49:15 GMT
These Unions are why PDs need to be de-funded and rebuilt from the bottom up without Unions.
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Post by Olan on Sept 21, 2020 17:24:12 GMT
It may seem that I don't have an optimistic view of things changing because well...I aware historically what has happened and how little society cared then, evident by the fact, that it's still happening. And even if people now believe racism is as systematic as it has always been, if you don't do anything with that sad fact what will actually change. How many black people have to bury their loved ones before society decides it will intercede? You lined the streets after the election and are constantly moved by other causes so it doesn't take a lot to deduce how little good can be found in these tiny "victories". I'm just tired. 2018 vs 2020 |
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Post by Olan on Sept 21, 2020 17:29:31 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Sept 21, 2020 18:02:18 GMT
These Unions are why PDs need to be de-funded and rebuilt from the bottom up without Unions. Well yes, but, it leaves the officers who do the right thing vulnerable too. A police officer without Union protection can be ordered to do unacceptable things and fired for not doing them when he finds them not right. Good Police officers ( there are some ) need protection To be able to say, no I’m not falsifying that, not I’m not lying for Bob over there. So yes the current unions are corrupt I’d hate to see good officers to be Unable to say hey stop this isn’t right Without being fired. Although right now I think we are at that point because some of the unionS harass them if they don’t play the game, which doesn’t really make it a protective union. Unions are a tricky issue but with the direction we are heading for ( plutocracy ) a Union is the only protection against the system of plutocracy. It our country goes any further into a plutocracy then the police become even further corrupted Think back in our history to the Industrial Age where the one rich family owned the factory, the housing & the town ( the county ) & everything in it that created a living. You had zero recourse because if you lost your job The ‘owner’ owned everything & you loose your home & have to leave. I had thought unions had run their course and weren’t really necessary anymore. But with some of the recent developments nationally I’ve changed my mind. I think unions are going to become more important and necessary with the direction we are headed. |
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Post by heckofagal on Sept 21, 2020 18:41:27 GMT
"It's a blast beating people" Imagine being a black police officer tasked with going undercover in the Black Lives Matter movement, only to be beaten by your own colleagues. In addition to his physical injuries, I bet he recognizes he's been on the wrong side of things for over 2 decades. I wouldn't say he's been on the wrong side of things...I would say some bad cops are on the force. It isn't the wrong side for people trying to find justice appropriately. |
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 21, 2020 18:56:45 GMT
These Unions are why PDs need to be de-funded and rebuilt from the bottom up without Unions. Well yes, but, it leaves the officers who do the right thing vulnerable too. A police officer without Union protection can be ordered to do unacceptable things and fired for not doing them when he finds them not right. Good Police officers ( there are some ) need protection To be able to say, no I’m not falsifying that, not I’m not lying for Bob over there. So yes the current unions are corrupt I’d hate to see good officers to be Unable to say hey stop this isn’t right Without being fired. Although right now I think we are at that point because some of the unionS harass them if they don’t play the game, which doesn’t really make it a protective union. Unions are a tricky issue but with the direction we are heading for ( plutocracy ) a Union is the only protection against the system of plutocracy. It our country goes any further into a plutocracy then the police become even further corrupted Think back in our history to the Industrial Age where the one rich family owned the factory, the housing & the town ( the county ) & everything in it that created a living. You had zero recourse because if you lost your job The ‘owner’ owned everything & you loose your home & have to leave. I had thought unions had run their course and weren’t really necessary anymore. But with some of the recent developments nationally I’ve changed my mind. I think unions are going to become more important and necessary with the direction we are headed. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-Union. Seattle was built on the backs on my Ironworker family (father, uncle, grandfather, etc). I'm about as pro-Union as they come. But, I don't think the PD Unions are doing anyone any good right now with how they protect bad cops. So maybe the PD Unions need to be broken down and rebuilt from the bottom up. But I also think that dollars in general need to be looked at when it comes to PDs and redistributed amongst all the services that are required/needed to answer 911 calls. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 21, 2020 19:03:30 GMT
This is so fucked up. I hope those police officers rot in jail.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 21, 2020 19:10:52 GMT
I read this in a statement from the justice department, and this was the last paragraph—
“As is always the case, the charges in an indictment are merely accusations, and the defendants are presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty.”
They forgot to add, “unless you’re black”, given what gas transpired throughout America since.
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Post by Olan on Sept 22, 2020 15:07:36 GMT
"It's a blast beating people" Imagine being a black police officer tasked with going undercover in the Black Lives Matter movement, only to be beaten by your own colleagues. In addition to his physical injuries, I bet he recognizes he's been on the wrong side of things for over 2 decades. I wouldn't say he's been on the wrong side of things...I would say some bad cops are on the force. It isn't the wrong side for people trying to find justice appropriately. I think he was on the wrong side of justice and the experience that he had supports that. |
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