Jili
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Post by Jili on Dec 9, 2018 2:57:19 GMT
Spoiler, episode 4. Skip this post if you don't want to hear about it!
I just finished listening to episode 4, and I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
It took a long time for Josh to show up once he was contacted the afternoon it was determined Susan was missing. Then that interview? Not a bit of emotion. Even if you can ignore or excuse that--not a word of concern about her or where she was. And the cellphone in the console of that minivan of horrors? He never even heard it ring or vibrate all day? He forgot that he had it?
I sort of understand why they couldn't arrest him then and there, but man. It's tough to swallow.
As a side note, though the detective seemed like an interesting guy, I could have done without the segment about his work history.
I can't wait until the next episode.
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Post by alsomsknit on Dec 9, 2018 3:15:58 GMT
Spoiler, episode 4. Skip this post if you don't want to hear about it! I just finished listening to episode 4, and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It took a long time for Josh to show up once he was contacted the afternoon it was determined Susan was missing. Then that interview? Not a bit of emotion. Even if you can ignore or excuse that--not a word of concern about her or where she was. And the cellphone in the console of that minivan of horrors? He never even heard it ring or vibrate all day? He forgot that he had it? I sort of understand why they couldn't arrest him then and there, but man. It's tough to swallow. As a side note, though the detective seemed like an interesting guy, I could have done without the segment about his work history. I can't wait until the next episode. The phone was off. He knew damn well it was there. I agree regarding the detective’s work credentials.
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Post by prapea on Dec 9, 2018 3:25:58 GMT
Wait, is this the one where the asshole grabbed the kids from the social worker and ran inside the house and blew the house up?
I remember this case. So sad. I also cannot imagine how horrible that social worker mist be feeling. 😢
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Post by alsomsknit on Dec 9, 2018 3:31:35 GMT
Wait, is this the one where the asshole grabbed the kids from the social worker and ran inside the house and blew the house up? I remember this case. So sad. I also cannot imagine how horrible that social worker mist be feeling. 😢 Yes, that’s the one.
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Post by corinne11 on Dec 9, 2018 3:53:23 GMT
I've just started listening to The Teacher's Pet but I'll add this to my list. Is this the Australian one? About the PE teacher who moved his 16 yr old student girlfriend into the house a few days after his wife disappeared? ( and claimed she left her 2 children behind and ran off and joined a religious cult?) He has finally been arrested this past week. It is all over our news. Hope they can prove he is responsible. One daughter was on a 60 minutes show (?) - 1 supports him still but this one is having doubts. How difficult for them- they were so young and he is the only parent they have ever known. Corinne
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 10, 2018 4:32:32 GMT
Subscribed, thanks. Really liking the peas recommendations as a newbie to podcasts. This American Life episode Dr Gilmer and Mr Hyde is incredible. If you haven’t heard it yet, I highly recommend. Oh holy freaking crap on a cracker I did NOT see that coming!!!! I’m starting a new thread because more people need to hear this story.
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Post by candygurl on Dec 10, 2018 13:41:47 GMT
Thanks I love true crime! Haven’t heard of the case but sounds horrible and sad all around.
I’m currently listening to CBC podcasts Someone Knows Something about the Kerrie Ann Brown case about a teenage girl kidnapped from a party and killed in a small town in Canada, Thompson in 1985. It’s very interesting to hear about the police work and coverups that I’m for sure happened.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 13:44:48 GMT
I've just started listening to The Teacher's Pet but I'll add this to my list. Is this the Australian one? About the PE teacher who moved his 16 yr old student girlfriend into the house a few days after his wife disappeared? ( and claimed she left her 2 children behind and ran off and joined a religious cult?) He has finally been arrested this past week. It is all over our news. Hope they can prove he is responsible. One daughter was on a 60 minutes show (?) - 1 supports him still but this one is having doubts. How difficult for them- they were so young and he is the only parent they have ever known. Corinne Yes, that's the one. I hope the truth comes out, I can't imagine all those years going by and not knowing what really happened to her.
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Post by jumperhop on Dec 20, 2018 8:03:24 GMT
Josh Powell diagnosis with shoulder injury 10 days after Susan’s disappearance. Link
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 20, 2018 8:42:38 GMT
Josh Powell diagnosis with shoulder injury 10 days after Susan’s disappearance. Link
My SIL worked at that PT clinic, and has mentioned to me before how weird his behavior was considering his wife was barely missing, and they were all over the news at the time. I always assumed his visits were related to his whiplash, though, and didn’t realize he was having physical therapy on his shoulder. I am still shocked at the information last week about how he was in WVC when he spoke with the neighbor’s son, and his behavior/movements afterward! And how he staged a phone call to Susan’s phone (which he had) and tried to “pick her up” from work after listening to multiple voice mails on HIS phone about how she was missing. What a psycho.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Dec 20, 2018 12:04:29 GMT
This podcast is great, kind of odd presentation because the narrator is so obviously biased. The staged phone calls blew my mind.
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Post by busy on Dec 20, 2018 12:40:32 GMT
This podcast is great, kind of odd presentation because the narrator is so obviously biased. The staged phone calls blew my mind. Biased that Josh did it? I mean... I don’t think there’s much question about that anymore.
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Post by genny on Dec 20, 2018 16:47:05 GMT
I haven't yet. I'm finishing up Hell and Gone now and that is in my queue to listen to soon. I'll go ahead and listen to it next after this thread. Also onn my next up list are Bear Brook, Up and Vanished and Happy Face.
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Post by stingfan on Dec 20, 2018 19:50:30 GMT
I just listened to the new episode today. I kind of wished I'd waited until it was finished so I could binge listen. It's frustrating waiting for each new one!
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Post by jloubier on Dec 21, 2018 1:14:35 GMT
Thank you Gennifer for recommending this podcast. I'm all caught up. It must have been so frustrating for the detectives to know Josh did it, and yet not be able to find that one proof they needed to arrest him. Since she's never been found, what do you think he did with her? Was he poisoning her and that's why she always felt nauseous? Did he kill her in their home, or out on that "camping trip"? Did Josh get his father to help him hide the body? So many unanswered questions.
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Post by jumperhop on Dec 21, 2018 2:37:12 GMT
Josh Powell diagnosis with shoulder injury 10 days after Susan’s disappearance. Link
My SIL worked at that PT clinic, and has mentioned to me before how weird his behavior was considering his wife was barely missing, and they were all over the news at the time. I always assumed his visits were related to his whiplash, though, and didn’t realize he was having physical therapy on his shoulder. I am still shocked at the information last week about how he was in WVC when he spoke with the neighbor’s son, and his behavior/movements afterward! And how he staged a phone call to Susan’s phone (which he had) and tried to “pick her up” from work after listening to multiple voice mails on HIS phone about how she was missing. What a psycho. After listening to that episode I am shocked that he was never prosecuted and taken to trial. I know it’s difficult to prove guilt on circumstantial evidence but surely all the circumstantial evidence combined would have convicted him. If I was on the Jury I would have convicted him based solely on that “camping” trip. I remember that winter storm it was brutal. Who takes a spontaneous camping trip with two small boys in a storm like that? No one does that! And the son saying that Mom went camping with us but didn’t come home!!!! 😢 Jen
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Post by jumperhop on Dec 21, 2018 2:58:17 GMT
Thank you Gennifer for recommending this podcast. I'm all caught up. It must have been so frustrating for the detectives to know Josh did it, and yet not be able to find that one proof they needed to arrest him. Since she's never been found, what do you think he did with her? Was he poisoning her and that's why she always felt nauseous? Did he kill her in their home, or out on that "camping trip"? Did Josh get his father to help him hide the body? So many unanswered questions. I think he killed her at home based on the fans that they found in the living room. We had just had a brutal winter storm and there is not any other logical explanation to why the fans were there. I don’t believe his dad had anything to do with disposing her body, but I do believe he was involved. I have always thought that either Josh threw her down an abandoned mine, which are common in Utah. Or that he placed her somewhere and then moved her body at a later time with the help of Josh’s Brother. I am looking forward to listening to the rest of the podcast and learning more. Jen
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 21, 2018 6:26:44 GMT
After listening to that episode I am shocked that he was never prosecuted and taken to trial. I know it’s difficult to prove guilt on circumstantial evidence but surely all the circumstantial evidence combined would have convicted him. If I was on the Jury I would have convicted him based solely on that “camping” trip. I remember that winter storm it was brutal. Who takes a spontaneous camping trip with two small boys in a storm like that? No one does that! And the son saying that Mom went camping with us but didn’t come home!!!! 😢 Jen I sort of agree. At some point, there has to be a level that circumstantial evidence is enough. And when there is literally a will from the victim, expressly saying that if there’s an accident, police need to check into Josh, with writing on the outside that it’s for her friends and family EXCEPT HER HUSBAND, because she doesn’t trust him... well, that’s pretty damn damning. And then I think of Gone Girl. And while it’s fiction, and obviously a stretch, it is possible. To me, the most ridiculous thing about the camping trip wasn’t even just that it was a spontaneous winter camping trip, it’s HOW spontaneous it was. Not normal-ish “decide to pack up at 5 pm and go” spontaneous, but “decide to wake the toddlers up at 1 am.” It’s freaking insane.
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 21, 2018 6:34:57 GMT
And, I will be honest: I’m freaking pissed off at Susan. She knew she was in danger. She repeatedly told friends, coworkers, and family. She documented it. She prepared for it, with the safety deposit box.
And yet, she stayed. It wasn’t just biding her time until she could get away, she actively tried to get pregnant. And it resulted in not only her death, but the death of her kids, too.
Also, I don’t like the detective. At all. After hearing all about his professional history (blech) and how he was fired by the PC police department (I don’t believe his reason), he was really just focused on hitting his 20 years so he could retire and get the police pension. And which department path would get him to Sargeant the fastest. And, sure enough, he’s now “retired” with his police pension, and working full-time as a PI. Hopefully he does a better job for his paying clients than he did for Susan.
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Post by jamielynn on Dec 21, 2018 7:03:56 GMT
Sadly, this story is local to me and all within 5 miles of us is where the Cox family lives, where Josh's crazy crazy dad lived, and where Josh murdered Charlie and Braden. It's been absolutely heart-breaking seeing her parents deal with all of this. I haven't listened to Cold yet, but it's on my to-do list. What are the local theories on this? Obviously he is more than likely totally guilty but where did he take her ect.
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 21, 2018 7:33:58 GMT
Sadly, this story is local to me and all within 5 miles of us is where the Cox family lives, where Josh's crazy crazy dad lived, and where Josh murdered Charlie and Braden. It's been absolutely heart-breaking seeing her parents deal with all of this. I haven't listened to Cold yet, but it's on my to-do list. What are the local theories on this? Obviously he is more than likely totally guilty but where did he take her ect. She's local to where they grew up and got married, and where he moved afterward. They were living here in Utah when she disappeared, though. I think most local people believe he put her in an abandoned mine, of which there are hundreds (maybe thousands?) in that area. After listening to the podcast, I also wonder a bit if he cut her body up with some sort of electric saw, and then burned the pieces with the acetylene torch. And then also burned the tool with the torch, and that's the unidentifyable mostly-steel object they found in the minivan.
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Post by alsomsknit on Dec 21, 2018 19:10:22 GMT
And, I will be honest: I’m freaking pissed off at Susan. She knew she was in danger. She repeatedly told friends, coworkers, and family. She documented it. She prepared for it, with the safety deposit box. And yet, she stayed. It wasn’t just biding her time until she could get away, she actively tried to get pregnant. And it resulted in not only her death, but the death of her kids, too. Also, I don’t like the detective. At all. After hearing all about his professional history (blech) and how he was fired by the PC police department (I don’t believe his reason), he was really just focused on hitting his 20 years so he could retire and get the police pension. And which department path would get him to Sargeant the fastest. And, sure enough, he’s now “retired” with his police pension, and working full-time as a PI. Hopefully he does a better job for his paying clients than he did for Susan. I have the same reaction to Susan. It was bad enough she stayed. But, actively trying to get pregnant again. Seriously?! WTH was she thinking? Unfortunately, her boys paid dearly for her stupidity. Though, I think the boys would have suffered a similar fate during visitation had she left and they would have been dealing with custody issues.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 21, 2018 23:56:19 GMT
I started listening today. I’m on episode three, I think.
From what I gather so far, these people are all a little off. Why do they all keep such detailed journals (written but especially the recorded ones?). Who does that?
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Post by MsKnit on Dec 22, 2018 4:55:56 GMT
I started listening today. I’m on episode three, I think. From what I gather so far, these people are all a little off. Why do they all keep such detailed journals (written but especially the recorded ones?). Who does that? Is it a LDS thing?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 22, 2018 5:00:15 GMT
I started listening today. I’m on episode three, I think. From what I gather so far, these people are all a little off. Why do they all keep such detailed journals (written but especially the recorded ones?). Who does that? Is it a LDS thing? Possibly? I thought it was weird that one person would do that, let alone all three of them.
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Post by busy on Dec 22, 2018 5:10:08 GMT
I started listening today. I’m on episode three, I think. From what I gather so far, these people are all a little off. Why do they all keep such detailed journals (written but especially the recorded ones?). Who does that? Is it a LDS thing? It would make sense - scrapbooking and genealogy are very popular with LDS; personal journaling seems right in line with those.
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 22, 2018 5:46:46 GMT
Writing in a journal (along with scrapbooking and doing genealogy) is absolutely a Mormon thing. Actual voice recordings? That’s weird. And Josh and his dad are weird, so it makes sense.
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Post by FurryP on Dec 22, 2018 11:15:42 GMT
Is anyone else annoyed by when the detective talks he ends every other sentence with "right?"
"So we went up there to check it out, right?" "I was just trying to get him to talk, right?"
Ughh! Stop it.
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Post by jumperhop on Dec 23, 2018 5:56:40 GMT
I started listening today. I’m on episode three, I think. From what I gather so far, these people are all a little off. Why do they all keep such detailed journals (written but especially the recorded ones?). Who does that? Is it a LDS thing? I guess iit’s an lds thing we are encouraged to keep a journal. I don’t. This family definitely had some mental illness going on. Jen
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Post by MaryPea on Dec 26, 2018 23:10:39 GMT
I'm about halfway thru episode 4 and it's so good! thank you for mentioning it!
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