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Post by librarylady on Dec 13, 2018 23:45:50 GMT
The greatest tragedy to me, isn’t him. It isn’t that the person supposedly leading our country lacks a single benevolent impulse, that he is impervious to compassion, incapable of nobility, and mortally allergic to simple kindness. The greatest tragedy, is how many Americans he now represents. And that he represents you. johnpavlovitz.com/2018/12/13/i-dont-grieve-over-his-cruelty-i-grieve-over-yours/ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 23:48:39 GMT
I say this over and over and over. The tragedy is never that there is a fool, there will always be fools. The tragedy is that so many millions of fools pledge undying allegiance to the fool who leads them straight into misery.
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Post by pilcas on Dec 14, 2018 0:03:47 GMT
This was very moving. So well written.
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 14, 2018 0:14:59 GMT
Thanks for sharing.
I can honestly say he doesn't represent me and I'm not grieving for those he does represent.
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 14, 2018 0:15:08 GMT
Wow, what a great article. Particularly this:
That's the second great article I've seen written by John Pavlovitz this week. I'd not heard of him before.
ETA: Ah yes that's right.... the other article by him was the "She Who Still Persists" article about Nancy Pelosi.
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Post by femalebusiness on Dec 14, 2018 1:28:25 GMT
He says much better than I exactly how I feel. I am sickened by the number of Americans, some right here on this board, who are not vehemently and loudly protesting the ruination of this nation.
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Post by pyccku on Dec 14, 2018 1:37:49 GMT
Exactly. Even if trump is removed and we return to a nation that respects the laws, things will never be the same. Because now I know how these people really feel. They aren’t hiding it any more.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 14, 2018 2:35:10 GMT
Wow, what a great article. Particularly this: That's the second great article I've seen written by John Pavlovitz this week. I'd not heard of him before. ETA: Ah yes that's right.... the other article by him was the "She Who Still Persists" article about Nancy Pelosi. He’s a liberal Christian blogger and he writes beautifully. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 3:01:19 GMT
Wow, what a great article. Particularly this: That's the second great article I've seen written by John Pavlovitz this week. I'd not heard of him before. ETA: Ah yes that's right.... the other article by him was the "She Who Still Persists" article about Nancy Pelosi. He’s a liberal Christian blogger and he writes beautifully. He is prolific and thoughtful and thought-provoking. If you search the boards, you'll find other instances of peas (including me) having quoted him. He is the kind of Christian that makes me think of Jesus. As opposed to the millions and millions of "Christians" who are "nothing like your Christ" (Gandhi) |
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Post by hop2 on Dec 14, 2018 3:05:05 GMT
Yep
That’s where I’m at. The POTUS isn’t the thing that upsets me. ( well not deeply ) It’s the %30+ percent who support some of his horrible policies that make me ill. It’s the amount of racists I didn’t realize we had. It’s the depth of racism, it’s shocking the online comments are horrible. The depth of anti semitism - anti anything really, it’s sickening.
But mostly it’s the stark stupidity of a major portion of the population who can not seem to discern real from fake just because he tweets it.
People keep saying we are better than this but frankly we are not. At least a major portion of ‘us’ are not. THAT is what I grieve. That ‘we’ as a nation are not better than this. I grieve that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 3:09:49 GMT
Yep That’s where I’m at. The POTUS isn’t the thing that upsets me. ( well not deeply ) It’s the %30+ percent who support some of his horrible policies that make me ill. It’s the amount of racists I didn’t realize we had. It’s the depth of racism, it’s shocking the online comments are horrible. The depth of anti semitism - anti anything really, it’s sickening. But mostly it’s the stark stupidity of a major portion of the population who can not seem to discern real from fake just because he tweets it. People keep saying we are better than this but frankly we are not. At least a major portion of ‘us’ are not. THAT is what I grieve. That ‘we’ as a nation are not better than this. I grieve that. Sometimes I wonder if it isn't a good thing that Trump has revealed how much fear, hatred, racism, sexism, etc fester deep w/in the heart of our country. Isn't the first step recognizing that there is a problem? |
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Post by TXMary on Dec 14, 2018 3:19:44 GMT
John Pavlovitz is one of the people who is keeping me sane right now. He always words it just perfectly.
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Post by berty on Dec 14, 2018 3:21:38 GMT
I couldn't agree more. When Trump first gained in popularity, I couldn't understand how people stood by him and told myself that they just haven't seen the true him - they're focused on Hillary or lost jobs or something. But then he consistently showed what a horrible person he was and people didn't back away in their support, and I couldn't believe it. I didn't want to believe that so many people felt this way. I know there's a certain percentage of the population that can harbor ill feelings towards others, but I was naive as to how big a percentage that is. Maybe I'm just the type of person who is too ruled by her emotions but I have never felt such an actual sense of fear and worry for my future and the future of this country. This is very foreign to me and I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it all.
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Post by flanz on Dec 14, 2018 3:23:50 GMT
He’s a liberal Christian blogger and he writes beautifully. He is prolific and thoughtful and thought-provoking. If you search the boards, you'll find other instances of peas (including me) having quoted him. He is the kind of Christian that makes me think of Jesus. As opposed to the millions and millions of "Christians" who are "nothing like your Christ" (Gandhi) EXACTLY! |
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Post by flanz on Dec 14, 2018 3:24:12 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Dec 14, 2018 3:25:16 GMT
I couldn't agree more. When Trump first gained in popularity, I couldn't understand how people stood by him and told myself that they just haven't seen the true him - they're focused on Hillary or lost jobs or something. But then he consistently showed what a horrible person he was and people didn't back away in their support, and I couldn't believe it. I didn't want to believe that so many people felt this way. I know there's a certain percentage of the population that can harbor ill feelings towards others, but I was naive as to how big a percentage that is. Maybe I'm just the type of person who is too ruled by her emotions but I have never felt such an actual sense of fear and worry for my future and the future of this country. This is very foreign to me and I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it all. exactly |
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Post by stittsygirl on Dec 14, 2018 7:22:17 GMT
Yep That’s where I’m at. The POTUS isn’t the thing that upsets me. ( well not deeply ) It’s the %30+ percent who support some of his horrible policies that make me ill. It’s the amount of racists I didn’t realize we had. It’s the depth of racism, it’s shocking the online comments are horrible. The depth of anti semitism - anti anything really, it’s sickening. But mostly it’s the stark stupidity of a major portion of the population who can not seem to discern real from fake just because he tweets it. People keep saying we are better than this but frankly we are not. At least a major portion of ‘us’ are not. THAT is what I grieve. That ‘we’ as a nation are not better than this. I grieve that. I work with a few of these. It’s hard for me to remain civil when I hear so much plain ignorance, so much “there’s been pros and cons in every presidency”. No! Their guy is a blatant racist, sexist, absolutely idiotic criminal. The fact that they still try to justify what he says and does just makes me think less and less of them. This also includes many members of my own family. |
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Post by gar on Dec 14, 2018 10:22:24 GMT
Exactly. Even if trump is removed and we return to a nation that respects the laws, things will never be the same. Because now I know how these people really feel. They aren’t hiding it any more. That’s how it looks to me as an outsider. The genie is out of the bottle and it’s impossible to put it back. That’s not to say the country won’t recover, move forward and grow and learn in years to come but you’ve been bruised by this ‘episode’ for sure and it must be very painful for all you decent folk. |
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Post by quinlove on Dec 14, 2018 10:57:54 GMT
Thanks for sharing. Trump reminds me of the famous story - you knew I was a snake ...
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Post by purplebee on Dec 14, 2018 12:32:42 GMT
Yeah, this pretty well sums up my feelings about the mess we find this country in right now. I despise him, but am more upset about his base and their values.
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Post by casii on Dec 14, 2018 13:59:43 GMT
Really enjoy Pavlovitz.
I've lost many family and friends who still support Trump. Somehow I'm evil for wanting kindness but it's cool & Christian for them to post golden calf memes of Trump. I've unfriended and unfollowed and I don't know that I grieve so much anymore as I just want to move on from toxic people.
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Post by likescarrots on Dec 14, 2018 14:41:41 GMT
Thanks for sharing. I can honestly say he doesn't represent me and I'm not grieving for those he does represent. he's not grieving FOR them, he is grieving for himself, his country, the world, over their lack of humanity. |
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Post by shevy on Dec 14, 2018 15:05:52 GMT
I think what upsets me most is that I worry many people of today have issues with empathy. They don't play in person, they grow up on the internet where you can't see facial expressions or read intent/sarcasm. They think the world owes them something without also giving the world something in return. And this POTUS is feeding into those people and making it okay to be that way.
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 14, 2018 19:20:31 GMT
I say this over and over and over. The tragedy is never that there is a fool, there will always be fools. The tragedy is that so many millions of fools pledge undying allegiance to the fool who leads them straight into misery. YES THIS!! 100,000,000,000% this!! |
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Post by J u l e e on Dec 18, 2018 11:31:46 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 18, 2018 13:43:34 GMT
I think what upsets me most is that I worry many people of today have issues with empathy. They don't play in person, they grow up on the internet where you can't see facial expressions or read intent/sarcasm. They think the world owes them something without also giving the world something in return. And this POTUS is feeding into those people and making it okay to be that way. I worry about the current generation as well, although I see plenty of people who are my age or older who also seem to have little empathy for others. For starters, anyone who is blaming parents for "endangering" their children by fleeing to the US has an inability to understand what the conditions were like where they came from, and that the trip seemed like the best option to them. Whether that is because people are so far removed from people who are not like them (whether that be differences in race, culture, living environment, wealth, etc) or that they never developed empathy, I don't know. Or it is plain out racism. |
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