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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 1:55:06 GMT
DS2 has a mild allergy to the protein in milk and to egg whites. So we’ve eliminated dairy for him except for a bottle of the A2 milk at bedtime (milk from cows which don’t produce said protein).
He’s been super cranky and irritable (though the barfing has stopped-yay!) But has no other symptoms or obvious explanation.
I know when people go off sugar or wheat, they mention feeling flu-ish. Is the same true of dairy, in your experience?
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Post by Merge on Jan 27, 2019 1:56:42 GMT
It wasn't a problem for me. But I'm also not a toddler.
Hope he's feeling better soon!
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Post by chaosisapony on Jan 27, 2019 1:58:06 GMT
I found I had some mild heartburn but that was it.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 27, 2019 2:15:57 GMT
I didn’t feel anything but better. And I went off dairy cold turkey. I’ve had problems with lightly cooked eggs for decades, but my diary issues started out of the blue 2 years ago.
He could just be missing his favorite foods, coming down with something, or just be a normal 2 year old. I’m glad he’s stopped throwing up!
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 27, 2019 2:20:14 GMT
No, I don't think so. I went cold turkey 5 years ago and felt only better.
Poor little guy!
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Post by trollie on Jan 27, 2019 2:28:34 GMT
When I go off dairy, I crave it something fierce for a few days.
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Post by peace on Jan 27, 2019 3:19:20 GMT
I would think because the way you described his love for milk, he would have a problem. The casein that is in the dairy can cause a withdrawal type reaction. It will make him crabby but it will pass. I haven't known anyone to say it makes them feel flu-ish- but the craving is so strong it makes you cranky- good luck!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 3:22:27 GMT
Yes maybe it’s just unfulfilled cravings. He really really misses cheese
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 3:51:34 GMT
Yes maybe it’s just unfulfilled cravings. He really really misses cheese If he likes american slices maybe try some vegan cheeses made from soy instead of cow milk.
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Post by ashley on Jan 27, 2019 4:04:26 GMT
Or if he can eat soy, cubed tofu. They make different flavours.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 27, 2019 4:04:59 GMT
Breaking the cheese habit can be a problem. I love the taste of cheese, but dairy doesn't love me so much anymore. I feel better when I cut it out, but I understand the direct connection for me between cheese and GI issues. Your little guy only knows he is being denied a favorite food so I can see him being frustrated and irritable when it isn't being offered.
FWIW, after an awful stomach virus, DS (2ish) begged for his beloved milk. Yay, we thought, he must be feeling better! He jugged it down and brought it back up within 20 minutes. For him there was no connection between a favorite thirst quencher and his still queasy stomach. He wanted milk again half an hour later. All other liquids and food were staying down, just not the milk.
After a few days of eating other things (and not seeing other family members eating cheese while he is being denied), I'd expect your guy will find new favorites.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 7:28:45 GMT
Give some chocolate non dairy drink. Or vanilla flavored.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 27, 2019 14:06:08 GMT
Yes maybe it’s just unfulfilled cravings. He really really misses cheese Try goat or sheep's milk cheese. There are some milder flavors out there. Just ask at a supermarket with a large cheese counter. I can't tolerate any dairy from cow milk, but I can do sheep and goat milk cheeses.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 27, 2019 18:02:33 GMT
Yes maybe it’s just unfulfilled cravings. He really really misses cheese Try goat or sheep's milk cheese. There are some milder flavors out there. Just ask at a supermarket with a large cheese counter. I can't tolerate any dairy from cow milk, but I can do sheep and goat milk cheeses. The proteins are different and I've know several people with severe issues that tolerate goat/sheep milk well. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them. I'd probably wait a few weeks to try other milk products, since his issues were so severe. You want to make sure you really know what may be causing a reaction. And that fake cheese is the devil's work. I wouldn't try that out just yet because the taste and texture of real cheese is still fresh in his mind. People must like it because there is a lot of it out there in the stores, but (for me), I'd much rather go without than eat Daiya cheese! I've yet to find anything that really compares with real cheese. Kite Hill makes both a cream cheese and a ricotta cheese made from almond milk. The taste isn't the same, but you get that creamy texture that I think a lot of soy/legume products lack. I made pizza last night with a smear of ricotta cheese over the crust and pizza sauce over that, then added the toppings. It was good--different because the ingredients aren't glued down with cheese, but I still got some of the creaminess of a cheese. There are several brands of yogurt out there that are good alternatives. I use the Wegman brand of almond milk yogurt, but you may have to try out some brands that are available in your area. There is also a soy brand that was good, but I don't remember the brand. I'm not as much of a fan of other soy brands or coconut based yogurts. It's going to be expensive, but you are really just going to have to try things out to find out what your DS will eat. Toss the rejected yogurts into a smoothie made with A2 milk to use it up. As for ice cream, sorbets don't have any dairy (but sherbet does.) Ben and Jerry make some pretty good non-dairy ice cream and that's what I usually buy if I need an ice cream fix. I make my own condensed soup base for the few dishes that I use it for. And I had great luck last week making a wild rice soup with A2 milk.
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Post by likescarrots on Jan 27, 2019 18:44:03 GMT
my husband was just 100% better almost immediately.
ETA: I honestly think it's psychological - he wants this thing that he loves and is too young to really understand why he can't have it anymore, so he's cranky.
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Post by cmpeter on Jan 27, 2019 19:16:59 GMT
No negative affects for my dd. She’s allergic to casin so goat and sheep are t alternatives. Read those labels too as they are often blends with cows milk.
For cheese alternatives, try Violife. It’s the best of all we have tried. Dh says the cheddar is VERY good. He’d eat it on a regular basis, but non-dairy cheese is pricier, so we only buy it for dd. We get it at Whole Foods.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 27, 2019 19:48:36 GMT
I like Silk soy yogurt. It is expensive.
I also LOVE Ben & Jerry's almond milk ice cream. I actually wrote to them about how good it is.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 27, 2019 22:13:04 GMT
When I stopped eating dairy 5 years ago I did it cold turkey along with stopping meat. I didn't experience any withdrawal or detox that was uncomfortable. Instead as each day passed I felt better and better.
I'm so glad to hear that the vomiting for your DS has stopped. I think the crankiness and irritability your son is displaying is probably because he misses his favorite foods. Because of his very young age it's not possible to reason with him why this is so much better for his health. Cravings are a problem for the first few days and cheese is the biggest craving that lasts the longest. There's a great book called "The Cheese Trap" by Neal D. Barnard, MD. that explains why this is so and how to get past it. For me it took a full 30 days to get over a craving for cheese-it was the last craving to die as far as meat and dairy were concerned.
I know you didn't ask about cheese in particular but I wanted to let you know what my experience regarding giving up diary was like. Once I passed the 30 day mark I no longer craved any dairy and it's been easy to not have any since. I know it's a lot better for my body not to have any.
I hope your son continues to improve. I'm glad your eliminating dairy for him was effective. Way to go! Maybe you can replace some of his favorite foods with alternatives as some of the Peas suggested. My best advice is to ignore what the front of the packages say and read the ingredients list. Luckily there's been an explosion of alternative dairy products in the past 5 years so you have a lot more to choose from that was available when I quit dairy. I myself don't use any of them because I follow the whole foods, plant based diet-most of what we eat needs to be whole foods, with as little as we can being processed. But a lot of vegans do take advantage of the alternative dairy and meat products that are available out there.
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Post by supersoda on Jan 27, 2019 23:05:28 GMT
Is he hungry? I find dairy very filling and it takes a long time to digest, so it sticks for a while. Maybe the replacement isn't as filling?
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Post by MaryMary on Jan 27, 2019 23:15:45 GMT
I’ve gone off dairy several times and never noticed any withdrawal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 23:28:10 GMT
Thank you all.
His favorite dairy was drinking milk, string cheese, anything with cheese on it, and scrambled eggs.
We’ve found an almond milk yogurt he likes, and I can scramble egg yolks (no allergy-but man do they stink!), but Mac and cheese, cheese pizza, and cream soups with cheese were among his favorites. He’s stopped asking for cheese, and today his mood has been much better, but for several days in a row, he was a grumpypotamus.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 28, 2019 15:09:03 GMT
I am happy he's doing better!
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 28, 2019 15:47:15 GMT
Thank you all. His favorite dairy was drinking milk, string cheese, anything with cheese on it, and scrambled eggs. We’ve found an almond milk yogurt he likes, and I can scramble egg yolks (no allergy-but man do they stink!), but Mac and cheese, cheese pizza, and cream soups with cheese were among his favorites. He’s stopped asking for cheese, and today his mood has been much better, but for several days in a row, he was a grumpypotamus. It’s hard to suggest replacements for his favorites. Those are pretty popular kid foods, so he is going to see other kids eating them. I feel for you! Eating out is the hardest—any contamination will make me sick, so we don’t eat out much.
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Post by aprilfay21 on Jan 28, 2019 16:01:59 GMT
I went dairy free for breastfeeding a little over 2 years ago and I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. Actually, I was dairy, soy, egg, and tree nut free with no issues.
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Post by likescarrots on Jan 28, 2019 16:32:18 GMT
Thank you all. His favorite dairy was drinking milk, string cheese, anything with cheese on it, and scrambled eggs. We’ve found an almond milk yogurt he likes, and I can scramble egg yolks (no allergy-but man do they stink!), but Mac and cheese, cheese pizza, and cream soups with cheese were among his favorites. He’s stopped asking for cheese, and today his mood has been much better, but for several days in a row, he was a grumpypotamus. just curious, why would you only scramble the yolks? Are you sure your eggs aren't bad, because scrambled eggs shouldn't stink. Eta: my grocery sells a few brands of vegan Mac and cheese, Annie's, daiya, and Earth balance all make them, might be worth a try?
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Post by aprilfay21 on Jan 28, 2019 16:40:10 GMT
Thank you all. His favorite dairy was drinking milk, string cheese, anything with cheese on it, and scrambled eggs. We’ve found an almond milk yogurt he likes, and I can scramble egg yolks (no allergy-but man do they stink!), but Mac and cheese, cheese pizza, and cream soups with cheese were among his favorites. He’s stopped asking for cheese, and today his mood has been much better, but for several days in a row, he was a grumpypotamus. My 2 year old and I eat Amy's rice mac and cheese from the freezer section. I went dairy free right after she was born but I love this one so much I don't think I'll ever eat regular mac and cheese again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 16:40:49 GMT
Thank you all. His favorite dairy was drinking milk, string cheese, anything with cheese on it, and scrambled eggs. We’ve found an almond milk yogurt he likes, and I can scramble egg yolks (no allergy-but man do they stink!), but Mac and cheese, cheese pizza, and cream soups with cheese were among his favorites. He’s stopped asking for cheese, and today his mood has been much better, but for several days in a row, he was a grumpypotamus. just curious, why would you only scramble the yolks? Are you sure your eggs aren't bad, because scrambled eggs shouldn't stink. Eta: my grocery sells a few brands of vegan Mac and cheese, Annie's, daiya, and Earth balance all make them, might be worth a try? He's allergic to egg whites, too. I hate eggs so I generally think scrambled eggs stink. For some reason, scrambling yolks only stunk even more to me. We tried a dairy free mac and cheese last night. He was so happy to see it (Mac and Cheese is his favorite) but a little miffed that it tasted different. We also found a dairy free cheese pizza (his other favorite) so we'll see how that one goes. Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 16:41:39 GMT
Thank you all. His favorite dairy was drinking milk, string cheese, anything with cheese on it, and scrambled eggs. We’ve found an almond milk yogurt he likes, and I can scramble egg yolks (no allergy-but man do they stink!), but Mac and cheese, cheese pizza, and cream soups with cheese were among his favorites. He’s stopped asking for cheese, and today his mood has been much better, but for several days in a row, he was a grumpypotamus. My 2 year old and I eat Amy's rice mac and cheese from the freezer section. I went dairy free right after she was born but I love this one so much I don't think I'll ever eat regular mac and cheese again. That's the one we tried last night. He ate about half of it!
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 28, 2019 19:49:21 GMT
Thank you all. His favorite dairy was drinking milk, string cheese, anything with cheese on it, and scrambled eggs. We’ve found an almond milk yogurt he likes, and I can scramble egg yolks (no allergy-but man do they stink!), but Mac and cheese, cheese pizza, and cream soups with cheese were among his favorites. He’s stopped asking for cheese, and today his mood has been much better, but for several days in a row, he was a grumpypotamus. My 2 year old and I eat Amy's rice mac and cheese from the freezer section. I went dairy free right after she was born but I love this one so much I don't think I'll ever eat regular mac and cheese again. I need to find that!
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Post by aprilfay21 on Jan 28, 2019 20:47:18 GMT
My 2 year old and I eat Amy's rice mac and cheese from the freezer section. I went dairy free right after she was born but I love this one so much I don't think I'll ever eat regular mac and cheese again. I need to find that We get it at HEB and Target. Attachments:
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