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Post by lucyg on Mar 1, 2019 0:32:07 GMT
Just so you know when I read your description, I have the same complaints about my Republican state officials and Congressional senators. They don't know the word representative and act like bosses who are in charge. They support the fake national emergency. Houston wanted Amazon too. The thing of it is, the state and cities have to give up so much money that its not really worth it to have them. Corporations are used to receiving so many freebies, that often the Return on Investment to the community is not worth it. Does Amazon HQ offer a good ROI. One example she has picked up on is the City gave so many incentives for Trump's Golf Course that it doesn't property taxes. The members pay local sales taxes on purchases. But in the case of Amazon, not only would they not pay property taxes, since there is no internet taxes on sales, there is no sales taxes. The tax burden is once again on the community members. NYC was willing to give double the incentives than any other city. AOC helped kill the Amazon Deal The million dollar question is would that have really benefited the community on long term basis? AOC advocated it would not have long term benefits and other leaders shared her feelings. But she did not do it alone. There is tax on internet sales. I pay sales tax when I order from Amazon. I'm also in Texas. The sales tax goes to your state, not the location of the company making the sale (when you order from out of state).
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 1, 2019 0:40:26 GMT
I agree, although some of her comments are off-putting. Such as saying she is the boss or people are in the cheap seats. That wasn’t necessary and she could have made her point in a more effective way if she had worded her statement differently. In general, I am more of a “be strong, but be observant” when starting a new job. One of my graduate professors said that the more you know, the more you realize that there is a lot you don’t know. I have found that to be true in a lot of situations. When we get a new employee that is fresh out of college or grad school, we want them to be confident, yet not cocky and assuming that they know everything. They need to pay attention to the politics and procedures of the agency and the agencies that we work with. How to interact with clients to be most effective. I think that AOC could benefit from doing more observing and paying attention to how her words are being taken. She has some good ideas, but the more negative parts of her message overtake the positive in some cases. When AOC first came on the scene she totally rubbed me the wrong way. I also thought (and still do) she would benefit from sitting back a little and learning from her elder colleagues. There’s no doubt in my mind that she’s going to have several more “foot in mouth” episodes this year, although what she said in this case doesn’t bother me in the least. But every time I hear her doing her job, as in the Michael Cohen hearing yesterday, I am impressed, particularly with her communication skills. With a little tempering and refinement, she will be extremely effectiveExactly. When she is really on point, she's really on. My husband has applauded her comments on a few things, which is a border line miracle. ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) She has the ability to reach people on both sides, if she just takes that into account first, when she makes statements. I'll agree her New Green Deal is radical, but given the lack of alternatives being proposed by well, anyone, at least she's thinking and putting ideas out there on the table. Which is exactly what she was elected to do.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 1, 2019 0:44:19 GMT
The sales tax goes to your state, not the location of the company making the sale (when you order from out of state). This is true. The taxes they'd make off Amazon being located in their state, were exactly the things they were being asked to give up, in order to entice them there. Taxes that would also help the local/state economy, as much as jobs. I love Amazon, but the thought of a billion dollar company demanding those kind of enticements to locate their HQ somewhere, kind of doesn't sit real well with me either.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 1, 2019 1:38:50 GMT
James Woods is a cruel, broken piece of shit. Even the words "I love puppies" coming from his disgusting mouth-hole would make me cringe. Maybe, but that doesn't make him wrong in this case. AOC is supposed to be working for us, not telling us what to do.
"Until then, we’re in charge - and you’re just shouting from the cheap seats." Fuck that noise! She's more offensive, IMO, than James Woods' in this case.
She’s working for her constituents, and they well knew who they were getting when they elected her. She isn’t meant to be working for James Woods, unless he lives in her congressional district. James Woods quotes. I have seen it all. I mean, QUALITY thoughts from this man. Just a real thinker whose opinions we should definitely give weight to. ![](https://gfycat.com/miserlymeagerjavalina)
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Post by verdepea on Mar 1, 2019 2:41:51 GMT
The sales tax goes to your state, not the location of the company making the sale (when you order from out of state). This is true. The taxes they'd make off Amazon being located in their state, were exactly the things they were being asked to give up, in order to entice them there. Taxes that would also help the local/state economy, as much as jobs. I love Amazon, but the thought of a billion dollar company demanding those kind of enticements to locate their HQ somewhere, kind of doesn't sit real well with me either. Agreed. When corporations were given a Federal tax cut then they are no longer eligible for the same entitlements from the state and local govt. Somethings gotta give. I am also tired of tax payers approving bonds for sports stadiums. Who benefits the most? Sports owners have a sweet deal. The local tax payers pay for the bonds, parking, tickets, concessions and infrastructure. At least in Houston we have the Live Stock and Rodeo which brings in huge tax dollars for the City. But it's mainly coming from Houstonians pockets. The corporate is environment is changing and the tax payer needs to demand more from corporations. You want our money, then no more sweetheart deals.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 1, 2019 11:22:45 GMT
So these people calling out AOC can sit down. I don't think so. We have just as much right as you do to stand up and object when someone gets it so wrong. Which she does all too often. She stopped Amazon from coming in and paying taxes, so now she thinks she has newfound money to invest for the city because of that tax discount they won't be giving to Amazon. It seems to be totally over her head that there's now none of that tax money coming in to invest. She still doesn't get it, her twitter/billboard war shows her doubling down on that claim. That kind of ignorance is scary given that she thinks "she's in charge" and "the boss". She doesn't understand the word "representative". She thinks that somehow makes her the boss and in charge. She doesn't seem to know that ICE and the Border Patrol are 2 different agencies and she can't even keep track of what she thinks. Less than a week after she voted for DHS to keep funding ICE and the U.S. Border Patrol at current levels, she condemned the president for funding ICE at all. Amazon was going to get all kinds of huge tax breaks—NOT paying taxes. And your comment on her thinking that there is “newfound money” is not accurate—what she is saying is that if NY was going to be giving Amazon all these amazing tax breaks, (money the city, county, state would inevitably give up/not collect) then why not give these breaks to the people already here in NY—invest in the community businesses, the people who live there. And it’s hilarious that you think that AOC seems to single handedly took down Amazon. And you, along with many other conservatives are applying a different context to her comments of “being in charge” and being a boss.
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Post by thundergal on Mar 1, 2019 14:25:08 GMT
James Woods quotes. I have seen it all. I mean, QUALITY thoughts from this man. Just a real thinker whose opinions we should definitely give weight to. This...well-said, Sock.
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Post by katiejane on Mar 1, 2019 15:23:34 GMT
I just perused her latest tweets and I’m not sure which specific one makes her “too big for her britches”. Could you clarify? Also, I don’t think women in the Bronx and Queens wear “britches”. Wish I could post a screenshot from my phone. I’ll paraphrase: if you don’t like the new green deal, sit down and shut up. She’s in charge and everybody else just has the cheap seats. First off not an American. So I have no view on the politics. But she did not say that at all. You do know what the term 'cheap seats' means. It is people who want to give their opinions but doesn't want to get involved. In other words a useless opinion giver. She also was responding to someone else's tweet. But I took it to say that unless you are willing to get your hands dirty so to speak. Unless law makers are ready to be involved and work on the plan, then they should stop just giving out their opinions. Leave those who are actually doing the work to get on with it. It is a call to action. Climate change is a big deal, and a massive issue for all of us. We should of already acted and we are all far to late to the party.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:28:04 GMT
The cheap seats, or nosebleed section, are those that cost less because they are so far from the action and offer a lesser view of it. But they are still paid seats occupied by active participants. A useless opinion-giver would be an "armchair quarterback."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:29:28 GMT
linkHere he is a copy of the New Green Deal that AOC submitted to Congress on 2/7/2019. And this is my big problem with AOC Its H Res 109 - Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to Create a New Green Deal. Apparently at this time it’s just a list of what it wants to accomplish with no details on how it’s to work, what it will cost, how it’s going to be realistically paid for, who specifically is going to benefit the most from all of this. So far the only movement that I can see is it’s been sent to various committees. But yet, we are suppose to fall in line and fully support it with no details. And if moderate Democrats in Congress don’t automatically fall in line, AOC, working with an outside group, will come to your district and attempt to primary you out of office. I believe its pretty shortsighted to expect full support for something without knowing the details on how to make it work. I mean even Bernie wrote a white paper outlining, with details, how he felt he could get Medicare for all. This is is a 10 year plan, that is short on details, well actually no details. Tick tick tick the clock is ticking. ⏰
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Post by busy on Mar 1, 2019 16:37:41 GMT
The sales tax goes to your state, not the location of the company making the sale (when you order from out of state). This is true. The taxes they'd make off Amazon being located in their state, were exactly the things they were being asked to give up, in order to entice them there. Taxes that would also help the local/state economy, as much as jobs. I love Amazon, but the thought of a billion dollar company demanding those kind of enticements to locate their HQ somewhere, kind of doesn't sit real well with me either. They’re not a billion dollar company... they are nearly a $814 billion company (by market cap) and were a trillion dollar company toward the end of last year! Of course market cap is not cash, but they did spend over $22 billion on R&D in 2017 - way more than other tech giants. They can afford their HQ wherever they want it without the taxpayers having to give them huge tax breaks. Infrastructure, etc. will be required wherever they are and that will be on the taxpayers. That’s enough. I’m tired of the huge incentives to huge companies, frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:40:46 GMT
And your comment on her thinking that there is “newfound money” is not accurate—what she is saying is that if NY was going to be giving Amazon all these amazing tax breaks, (money the city, county, state would inevitably give up/not collect) then why not give these breaks to the people already here in NY—invest in the community businesses, the people who live there. No she he didn't say anything about taxes in her tweet. She specifically spoke of hiring people, fixing things and putting people to work. All things that involve spending money she thinks we now have simply because we "didn't give it away". “If we were willing to give away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest those $3 billion in our district ourselves, if we wanted to. We could hire out more teachers. We can fix our subways. We can put a lot of people to work for that money, if we wanted to.” Ocasio-Cortez If you're going to say "what she really meant was" it's best to make sure what you claim she said doesn't contradict what she actually said.
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Post by katiejane on Mar 1, 2019 17:10:29 GMT
The cheap seats, or nosebleed section, are those that cost less because they are so far from the action and offer a lesser view of it. But they are still paid seats occupied by active participants. A useless opinion-giver would be an "armchair quarterback." Yes, in a theatre, stadium they are. But that's not the meaning here. She is using it as a come back, it means that they didn't want to invest, put the effort in (buy the more expensive seats), but still want to talk (not invested, or required little effort so what is offered is usually viewed as less worthy response). So they are shouting advice with no real investment or commitment. I have heard it used that way several times and it's the way I would use it. It is never a compliment. Going for the cheap seats is trying to make an easy win with very little effort. I have never heard of an armchair quarterback. That one is only used in the USA I would think. Cheap seats is more international.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 1, 2019 17:19:21 GMT
And your comment on her thinking that there is “newfound money” is not accurate—what she is saying is that if NY was going to be giving Amazon all these amazing tax breaks, (money the city, county, state would inevitably give up/not collect) then why not give these breaks to the people already here in NY—invest in the community businesses, the people who live there. No she he didn't say anything about taxes in her tweet. She specifically spoke of hiring people, fixing things and putting people to work. All things that involve spending money she thinks we now have simply because we "didn't give it away". “If we were willing to give away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest those $3 billion in our district ourselves, if we wanted to. We could hire out more teachers. We can fix our subways. We can put a lot of people to work for that money, if we wanted to.” Ocasio-Cortez If you're going to say "what she really meant was" it's best to make sure what you claim she said doesn't contradict what she actually said. You’re not understanding. She’s saying IF the city/county/state can just be giving away $$$$ to a company who isn’t going to create $$$ for the same city/county/state by taxing , then why have them at all? IF the city/county/state can afford to give away a chunk of their tax base, by enticing outside companies, then why not do it by investing in what’s here to begin with? Investing in your community creates jobs, incentives for people to spend their $$$ within their community. The Amazon deal was a bad one for that community. You really need to check context, read all the info. Tweets are 140 characters. There is s lot more to just her single tweet. Amazon was getting tax breaks to come to New York. tax breaks are where the company pays little to no taxes, the burden is put onto the community.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 1, 2019 17:22:55 GMT
linkHere he is a copy of the New Green Deal that AOC submitted to Congress on 2/7/2019. And this is my big problem with AOC Its H Res 109 - Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to Create a New Green Deal. Apparently at this time it’s just a list of what it wants to accomplish with no details on how it’s to work, what it will cost, how it’s going to be realistically paid for, who specifically is going to benefit the most from all of this. So far the only movement that I can see is it’s been sent to various committees. But yet, we are suppose to fall in line and fully support it with no details. And if moderate Democrats in Congress don’t automatically fall in line, AOC, working with an outside group, will come to your district and attempt to primary you out of office. I believe its pretty shortsighted to expect full support for something without knowing the details on how to make it work. I mean even Bernie wrote a white paper outlining, with details, how he felt he could get Medicare for all. This is is a 10 year plan, that is short on details, well actually no details. Tick tick tick the clock is ticking. ⏰ AOC is bringing more to the conversation about this than any other Congressperson. While her plan is more of an outline, I find it hilarious that those who are criticizing her don’t come to the table to work it out, hone it, make what can work work and discard what won’t. But instead it appears that there are more than one would think of the “cheap seats/arm chair QB’s”.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 17:30:10 GMT
You don’t have to like her or agree with her but I am sick and goddamn tired of people talking about her like she’s a child. JFC she’s a grown woman who was rightfully elected. Speak of her as such, not like your bratty neighbor child. Seriously?!?! After the way Trump was been ridiculed and called names for the last 2+years everyone in DC is fair game. To be honest , trump has been call names for years. He is an egotistical maniac. Please ask all workers that built his building that he didn’t pay, what they call him. Ask the people that list money when he went bankrupt ( more than once). Ask them what they call him You can even ask people who went to college what they call him. Most that he is dumber than a box of rocks and a cheat.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 1, 2019 17:38:26 GMT
No she he didn't say anything about taxes in her tweet. She specifically spoke of hiring people, fixing things and putting people to work. All things that involve spending money she thinks we now have simply because we "didn't give it away". “If we were willing to give away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest those $3 billion in our district ourselves, if we wanted to. We could hire out more teachers. We can fix our subways. We can put a lot of people to work for that money, if we wanted to.” Ocasio-Cortez If you're going to say "what she really meant was" it's best to make sure what you claim she said doesn't contradict what she actually said. You’re not understanding. She’s saying IF the city/county/state can just be giving away $$$$ to a company who isn’t going to create $$$ for the same city/county/state by taxing , then why have them at all? IF the city/county/state can afford to give away a chunk of their tax base, by enticing outside companies, then why not do it by investing in what’s here to begin with? Investing in your community creates jobs, incentives for people to spend their $$$ within their community. The Amazon deal was a bad one for that community. You really need to check context, read all the info. Tweets are 140 characters. There is s lot more to just her single tweet. Amazon was getting tax breaks to come to New York. tax breaks are where the company pays little to no taxes, the burden is put onto the community. My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that amazon would have received tax breaks, based on what they should/would have been paying. But the state was not coming up with that money out of their current budget and just handing it to amazon, right? . So, if AOC is saying that the state should just take that money and use it elsewhere, that isn’t accurate representation of the situation. Whether the benefits would have outweighed the costs is more than what I have knowledge of, but it does sound like there were concerns. I also don’t think that amazon should need to be given tax breaks to build a headquarters. I, too, am sick of the rich and large corporations being given breaks that the rest of us aren’t.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 1, 2019 17:39:54 GMT
Seriously?!?! After the way Trump was been ridiculed and called names for the last 2+years everyone in DC is fair game. To be honest , trump has been call names for years. He is an egotistical maniac. Please ask all workers that built his building that he didn’t pay, what they call him. Ask the people that list money when he went bankrupt ( more than once). Ask them what they call him You can even ask people who went to college what they call him. Most that he is dumber than a box of rocks and a cheat. Not to mention that Trump is the king of name calling. So it is natural that some people will respond in kind.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 1, 2019 17:41:42 GMT
Has anyone studied what we as Americans are already paying for healthcare every year? Wouldn't that money be essentially rolled into a universal healthcare program? I pay 800 a month and my employer also pays a portion, if you multiply that 800 by half the population, you get nearly 2 trillion dollars right off the bat. BTW: Medicare is not free, they take $$$ out of my Social Security Check EVERY month!! Granted it is not as expensive as full health care. My secondary is employer funded for my many years of working!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 17:45:46 GMT
linkHere he is a copy of the New Green Deal that AOC submitted to Congress on 2/7/2019. And this is my big problem with AOC Its H Res 109 - Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to Create a New Green Deal. Apparently at this time it’s just a list of what it wants to accomplish with no details on how it’s to work, what it will cost, how it’s going to be realistically paid for, who specifically is going to benefit the most from all of this. So far the only movement that I can see is it’s been sent to various committees. But yet, we are suppose to fall in line and fully support it with no details. And if moderate Democrats in Congress don’t automatically fall in line, AOC, working with an outside group, will come to your district and attempt to primary you out of office. I believe its pretty shortsighted to expect full support for something without knowing the details on how to make it work. I mean even Bernie wrote a white paper outlining, with details, how he felt he could get Medicare for all. This is is a 10 year plan, that is short on details, well actually no details. Tick tick tick the clock is ticking. ⏰ AOC is bringing more to the conversation about this than any other Congressperson. While her plan is more of an outline, I find it hilarious that those who are criticizing her don’t come to the table to work it out, hone it, make what can work work and discard what won’t. But instead it appears that there are more than one would think of the “cheap seats/arm chair QB’s”. Ah so those raising legitimate questions are the ones in the cheap seats now. Got it. I’m beginning to understand why those on the right feel they can make , to quote Gia, the claim that if you don’t have the right point of view, it’s not a valid point and therefore automatically dismissed.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 1, 2019 18:04:49 GMT
linkHere he is a copy of the New Green Deal that AOC submitted to Congress on 2/7/2019. And this is my big problem with AOC Its H Res 109 - Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to Create a New Green Deal. Apparently at this time it’s just a list of what it wants to accomplish with no details on how it’s to work, what it will cost, how it’s going to be realistically paid for, who specifically is going to benefit the most from all of this. So far the only movement that I can see is it’s been sent to various committees. But yet, we are suppose to fall in line and fully support it with no details. And if moderate Democrats in Congress don’t automatically fall in line, AOC, working with an outside group, will come to your district and attempt to primary you out of office. I believe its pretty shortsighted to expect full support for something without knowing the details on how to make it work. I mean even Bernie wrote a white paper outlining, with details, how he felt he could get Medicare for all. This is is a 10 year plan, that is short on details, well actually no details. Tick tick tick the clock is ticking. ⏰ AOC is bringing more to the conversation about this than any other Congressperson. While her plan is more of an outline, I find it hilarious that those who are criticizing her don’t come to the table to work it out, hone it, make what can work work and discard what won’t. But instead it appears that there are more than one would think of the “cheap seats/arm chair QB’s”. Her comments about being the boss, threatening people that if they don’t support it they will be primaries, etc is not helping her. That is what many people have a problem with.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 1, 2019 18:06:27 GMT
You’re not understanding. She’s saying IF the city/county/state can just be giving away $$$$ to a company who isn’t going to create $$$ for the same city/county/state by taxing , then why have them at all? IF the city/county/state can afford to give away a chunk of their tax base, by enticing outside companies, then why not do it by investing in what’s here to begin with? Investing in your community creates jobs, incentives for people to spend their $$$ within their community. The Amazon deal was a bad one for that community. You really need to check context, read all the info. Tweets are 140 characters. There is s lot more to just her single tweet. Amazon was getting tax breaks to come to New York. tax breaks are where the company pays little to no taxes, the burden is put onto the community. My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that amazon would have received tax breaks, based on what they should/would have been paying. But the state was not coming up with that money out of their current budget and just handing it to amazon, right? . So, if AOC is saying that the state should just take that money and use it elsewhere, that isn’t accurate representation of the situation. Whether the benefits would have outweighed the costs is more than what I have knowledge of, but it does sound like there were concerns. I also don’t think that amazon should need to be given tax breaks to build a headquarters. I, too, am sick of the rich and large corporations being given breaks that the rest of us aren’t. Your last paragraph was exactly the premise of why AOC wasn’t for this deal. So much more to consider— Housing costs would inevitably rise Infrastructure would be paid for by city/county/state The HQ jobs may not fit the 25,000 jobs touted, how many will transfer from elsewhere
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 1, 2019 18:08:21 GMT
She may have ideas and plans that we don't always agree with. No doubt that she is 'like a bull in a china shop' She wants us to hear! She was extremely well prepared in the Cohen hearing. She got information and names to be followed up on, she wasted no time in doing it! Very quick and up to the point!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 1, 2019 18:18:56 GMT
AOC is bringing more to the conversation about this than any other Congressperson. While her plan is more of an outline, I find it hilarious that those who are criticizing her don’t come to the table to work it out, hone it, make what can work work and discard what won’t. But instead it appears that there are more than one would think of the “cheap seats/arm chair QB’s”. Her comments about being the boss, threatening people that if they don’t support it they will be primaries, etc is not helping her. That is what many people have a problem with. I think that many are applying her comments to far across the board with what she said, instead of in the context of which the were said. When she made those comments, she was speaking to detractors —those having the “too big for her britches” attitude— who were all being negative, criticizing her, saying this won’t work, that won’t work, yet not offering anything towards addressing it. Within those same conversations she challenged others to come up with a plan. It’s not like she’s running around telling everyone to shut up, she’s the boss, she knows best. She’s not doing that. You know she’s getting under the conservatives skin when the Mercer’s pay for billboards in Times Square attacking her! I’m in the wait and see with her, see how effective she is, she’s definitely got a desire to get things moving along going for her.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 1, 2019 18:22:32 GMT
If they are going to give tax breaks to corporate America, it should be based on the number of full time jobs offered with quality health insurance and they should be dependent on the median wage. If we want to talk about "job creation" and what a win adding jobs to the economy is, let's make sure companies are rewarded for good jobs.
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Post by schizo319 on Mar 1, 2019 18:46:08 GMT
If they are going to give tax breaks to corporate America, it should be based on the number of full time jobs offered with quality health insurance and they should be dependent on the median wage. If we want to talk about "job creation" and what a win adding jobs to the economy is, let's make sure companies are rewarded for good jobs. That's a really excellent point. The company my DH works for "created" a ton of "new jobs" last year - now they have lots more employees among whom to divide allotted hours. Some people are only getting 12-15 hours a week now that they've created all of those new jobs on paper, instead of the standard 32 hours or whatever the full-time cut off is before an employer is required to provide benefits. side note: I just realized I quoted you like twice in the past 20 minutes or so on different threads, I promise I'm no stalker, we just happen to be interested in the same topics today.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 19:00:31 GMT
You’re not understanding. She’s saying IF the city/county/state can just be giving away $$$$ to a company who isn’t going to create $$$ for the same city/county/state by taxing , then why have them at all? IF the city/county/state can afford to give away a chunk of their tax base, by enticing outside companies, then why not do it by investing in what’s here to begin with? Investing in your community creates jobs, incentives for people to spend their $$$ within their community. The Amazon deal was a bad one for that community. You really need to check context, read all the info. Tweets are 140 characters. There is s lot more to just her single tweet. Amazon was getting tax breaks to come to New York. tax breaks are where the company pays little to no taxes, the burden is put onto the community. My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that amazon would have received tax breaks, based on what they should/would have been paying. But the state was not coming up with that money out of their current budget and just handing it to amazon, right? . So, if AOC is saying that the state should just take that money and use it elsewhere, that isn’t accurate representation of the situation. Whether the benefits would have outweighed the costs is more than what I have knowledge of, but it does sound like there were concerns. I also don’t think that amazon should need to be given tax breaks to build a headquarters. I, too, am sick of the rich and large corporations being given breaks that the rest of us aren’t. You are absolutely right! Amazon doesn't need the tax breaks, it's incentive to get them to choose your town/state in order to provide your constituents thousands of jobs and trickle down jobs, bringing even more commerce to your town/state and the taxes raised from all of that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 19:12:16 GMT
Her comments about being the boss, threatening people that if they don’t support it they will be primaries, etc is not helping her. That is what many people have a problem with. I think that many are applying her comments to far across the board with what she said, instead of in the context of which the were said. When she made those comments, she was speaking to detractors —those having the “too big for her britches” attitude— who were all being negative, criticizing her, saying this won’t work, that won’t work, yet not offering anything towards addressing it. Within those same conversations she challenged others to come up with a plan. It’s not like she’s running around telling everyone to shut up, she’s the boss, she knows best. She’s not doing that. You know she’s getting under the conservatives skin when the Mercer’s pay for billboards in Times Square attacking her! I’m in the wait and see with her, see how effective she is, she’s definitely got a desire to get things moving along going for her. SHE hasn't even come up with a plan, just a list of fairy tale ideas with no plans on how to make them work and yet she's telling them to either come up with a plan or shut up, she's the boss in charge. Literally saying that. That's not a one off problem. Can you examine that and some of the other issues and understand why so many, even in her own party, have such a problem with her?
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Post by sabrinae on Mar 1, 2019 19:39:15 GMT
My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that amazon would have received tax breaks, based on what they should/would have been paying. But the state was not coming up with that money out of their current budget and just handing it to amazon, right? . So, if AOC is saying that the state should just take that money and use it elsewhere, that isn’t accurate representation of the situation. Whether the benefits would have outweighed the costs is more than what I have knowledge of, but it does sound like there were concerns. I also don’t think that amazon should need to be given tax breaks to build a headquarters. I, too, am sick of the rich and large corporations being given breaks that the rest of us aren’t. You are absolutely right! Amazon doesn't need the tax breaks, it's incentive to get them to choose your town/state in order to provide your constituents thousands of jobs and trickle down jobs, bringing even more commerce to your town/state and the taxes raised from all of that. Except that’s not what often happens. Instead the company sucks up local resources without paying for those resources through taxes. People from outside the community are brought in for the jobs. Housing prices sky rocket. Community members are priced out of their own communities. The community is not getting the tax money from the business because of the incentives. Many communities end up not being able to find the extra community resources that are needed because they aren’t collecting tax money to provide them There are multiple issues both good and bad with having a company like Amazon locate in your area
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Post by jinxmom2003 on Mar 1, 2019 20:19:15 GMT
She rubs me the wrong way. I hate Trump and am for anyone who is against him but I just wish she would keep her mouth shut and do her job. It’s kinda like the woman who screamed ‘we’re gonna impeach this motherfucker’. Just keep your mouth shut and do your job. She IS doing her job. Quite effectively. You’re just used to the crowd that are bought and paid for.
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