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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 17:56:48 GMT
Can this country really have a viable third party?
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 5, 2019 18:00:08 GMT
I would like to see a third party (libertarian) come right up and swallow the Republicans. And then put us back to a two party system. I'd like to see the religious right be shut right the heck up on social issues that are none of their business.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2019 18:04:58 GMT
NOT as long as it is 'winner take all'........ Over time it would need to be, forget the name... Top 2 run after a 3 way race/voting.
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Post by ntsf on Mar 5, 2019 18:08:20 GMT
over the years, as one party falls apart, another party is formed.. but our system defaults to 2 parties.. the federalists, the whigs.. maybe time for a new party.. at least in CA, republicans have a hard time getting a place at the table.
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Post by tracyarts on Mar 5, 2019 18:20:34 GMT
No, politics are too competitive, and boils down to "us against them".
As it is, people who support a third party are invalidated, told they are just throwing away their vote, and in some cases bullied over it.
The last election, I was lectured at multiple times not to vote for the third party candidate who I supported. Because voting independent was throwing away my vote. And their candidate needed my vote more than a third party candidate who never stood a chance anyway. And if I chose to vote for the candidate who I supported, I was by default "voting for the enemy". Us against them. You are with US or with THEM, third party isn't a valid choice.
The political climate is so polarized that I can't see it changing, TBH.
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Post by withapea on Mar 5, 2019 19:21:04 GMT
I think it would be great to have more than two parties. Until we change how our elections are financed and fix the electoral college system that won't be viable.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 5, 2019 20:06:25 GMT
it would be nice if the Republican party took itself back / split / whatever you want to say... and the super-right Evangelicals became a truly separate party... but I don't really see it happening. I don't see a 3-party system (or more) working here like it does in England, since we don't vote the same way.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 5, 2019 20:33:40 GMT
I agree with several previous posters that ultimately we'll devolve back to two parties - I do think/hope the time is right for a new party.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 5, 2019 20:36:46 GMT
I would like to see a third party (libertarian) come right up and swallow the Republicans. And then put us back to a two party system. I'd like to see the religious right be shut right the heck up on social issues that are none of their business. YES!!! |
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Post by Zee on Mar 5, 2019 20:38:54 GMT
The parties are changing and will continue to evolve. Three parties historically have not worked in this country, so I think it will be more of an evolution or takeover rather than a 3 party system.
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 5, 2019 20:39:48 GMT
If a third party would split the Republicans then yes, I'd love to see one. If it would split the Democrats (like Bernie did), then no. Nope, I'm not partisan at all.  |
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Post by Merge on Mar 5, 2019 20:45:34 GMT
Those of you who say you'd vote libertarian - can I ask what that means to you? It's been my understanding that the views of modern libertarians are best represented by the so-called Freedom Caucus. Ted Cruz and his ilk. Is that what you're saying you'd prefer? Or does it mean something else to you?
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Post by trollie on Mar 5, 2019 20:49:24 GMT
I voted no, but would have liked a not right now option.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 5, 2019 20:57:38 GMT
Can this country really have a viable third party? Why, you expecting the Democratic Party to be breaking up any time soon?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 21:15:23 GMT
I agree that the Republican party is to vastly different from right to left and probably needs a split, but I'm abolutely gobsmacked that Democrats can't see that happening in their own party right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 1:35:12 GMT
Can this country really have a viable third party? Why, you expecting the Democratic Party to be breaking up any time soon?  No, not at all. If it was going to happened, it would have been after the 2016 election and it would have been done by Bernie and his Bros. Bernie is savvy in that he knows if he heads up an independent party, he would split the voters that traditionally vote Democratic. He also understands the cost/time to create an infrastructure that could compete in a general election. But I suspect you knew that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 1:46:06 GMT
It occurred to me in reading comments on other threads that a third party is basically a compromise between the two parties. A little of this from the right and a little of that from the left and then you have a somewhat perfect candidate for the middle/independent part of the country. Which, on its own, represents the biggest group of voters.
The one truth is that neither side is going to get everything they want. So maybe instead of talking about a third party, we, as voters, accept that fact, look for and support candidates that understand and practice the art of compromise.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 6, 2019 19:04:25 GMT
Why, you expecting the Democratic Party to be breaking up any time soon? No, not at all. If it was going to happened, it would have been after the 2016 election and it would have been done by Bernie and his Bros. Bernie is savvy in that he knows if he heads up an independent party, he would split the voters that traditionally vote Democratic. He also understands the cost/time to create an infrastructure that could compete in a general election. But I suspect you knew that. No, that's not what I was thinking at all. This new wave of Democrat leaders is taking the party in a whole new direction that does not appeal to the older demographic. But I suspect you knew that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 19:53:23 GMT
No, not at all. If it was going to happened, it would have been after the 2016 election and it would have been done by Bernie and his Bros. Bernie is savvy in that he knows if he heads up an independent party, he would split the voters that traditionally vote Democratic. He also understands the cost/time to create an infrastructure that could compete in a general election. But I suspect you knew that. No, that's not what I was thinking at all. This new wave of Democrat leaders is taking the party in a whole new direction that does not appeal to the older demographic. But I suspect you knew that. And who started that, and who became a Democrat, again, just to run for President? Do you really think they would pull the rug out from the leader of this little revolution? No, they will be just like the tea party, especially if the Democrats keep the House and put a Democrat in The White House. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 6, 2019 20:22:42 GMT
And who started that, and who became a Democrat, again, just to run for President? Do you really think they would pull the rug out from the leader of this little revolution? No, they will be just like the tea party, especially if the Democrats keep the House and put a Democrat in The White House. I have no clue what you are going on about. The Democratic party has been on a steady course for my entire lifetime and this new crop of Democrats is the result. The Tea Party was just an outward expression of the convictions people still hold, values that the younger Democrats are running further and further away from. My original answer stands. The Democratic Party is tearing itself apart. The Republican Party has its own problems, but an uprising of youth (relatively speaking) isn't currently one of them. |
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Post by amom23 on Mar 6, 2019 21:04:52 GMT
And who started that, and who became a Democrat, again, just to run for President? Do you really think they would pull the rug out from the leader of this little revolution? No, they will be just like the tea party, especially if the Democrats keep the House and put a Democrat in The White House. I have no clue what you are going on about. The Democratic party has been on a steady course for my entire lifetime and this new crop of Democrats is the result. The Tea Party was just an outward expression of the convictions people still hold, values that the younger Democrats are running further and further away from. My original answer stands. The Democratic Party is tearing itself apart. The Republican Party has its own problems, but an uprising of youth (relatively speaking) isn't currently one of them. I totally agree with you - the Republican Party will never experience a youth uprising because today's youth don't want anything to do with being a "Republican." Your party is identified as being old and white and unwilling to accept that the world is changing with or without them. I'll put my money on today's youth every time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 21:28:30 GMT
And who started that, and who became a Democrat, again, just to run for President? Do you really think they would pull the rug out from the leader of this little revolution? No, they will be just like the tea party, especially if the Democrats keep the House and put a Democrat in The White House. I have no clue what you are going on about. The Democratic party has been on a steady course for my entire lifetime and this new crop of Democrats is the result. The Tea Party was just an outward expression of the convictions people still hold, values that the younger Democrats are running further and further away from. My original answer stands. The Democratic Party is tearing itself apart. The Republican Party has its own problems, but an uprising of youth (relatively speaking) isn't currently one of them. You can certainly believe that if you wish, but you are wrong IMO. The movement started with Sanders. This is the left’s version of the tea party. Think back to those early days of the tea party, the excitement, tea party candidates getting elected to the House. They are still around but now called the Freedom Caucus. Both parties have always had a right of right folks and left of left folks . The tea party organized that group, just like Sanders did on the left. Both groups brought in new members so to speak. It is possible the Bernie Bros could split the party, just like it was a real possibility the tea party could have split the Republican Party. We’ll see. But right now there is no Republican Party, there is a trump party. And that, IMO, is more of a danger to the country then anything the Democrats can do. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 6, 2019 23:17:19 GMT
I totally agree with you - the Republican Party will never experience a youth uprising because today's youth don't want anything to do with being a "Republican." Your party is identified as being old and white and unwilling to accept that the world is changing with or without them. I'll put my money on today's youth every time. Lord, give me patience in abundance. Thank you. Amen. My party?  My personal preferences, as misunderstood and misstated as you have clearly demonstrated, have absolutely nothing to do with the new crop of Democrats rising up within the ranks of the Democrat Party. Don't y'all ever get tired of making personal digs about people you don't know and do.not.understand? It's about as interesting as mud in a hurricane. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 6, 2019 23:41:23 GMT
You can certainly believe that if you wish, but you are wrong IMO. The movement started with Sanders. This is the left’s version of the tea party. Think back to those early days of the tea party, the excitement, tea party candidates getting elected to the House. They are still around but now called the Freedom Caucus. Both parties have always had a right of right folks and left of left folks . The tea party organized that group, just like Sanders did on the left. Both groups brought in new members so to speak. It is possible the Bernie Bros could split the party, just like it was a real possibility the tea party could have split the Republican Party. We’ll see. But right now there is no Republican Party, there is a trump party. And that, IMO, is more of a danger to the country then anything the Democrats can do. You think Bernie Sanders just sprang up out of nowhere? Both he and the Tea Party were the result of natural progressions of the separate parties. The Republican Party is frought with people who disagree, and that's not new. It's actually why Trump won the nomination to begin with. Enough people got tired of the Republicans who continually caved to the Democrat agenda that they went with the person most likely to stand on the platforms they ran on. Look at how the Republicans buckled even when they held the House under Trump. Not a thing new about that, either. Both parties have people who are big disappointments. People who do not govern the same way they claim they will when they campaign make people want to impose term limits on the lot of them. I'd love to see some upstanding individuals break away from either party and effect positive changes, but the media will only tar the living daylight out of anyone who dares poke their head up. Honest journalism hasn't been seen from a good many popular outlets in a long time. There are agendas funded by big money involved that do not want such positive change. Disagree with me all you want, but I've seen a lot of this coming for a long time now. Even this "resistance" isn't entirely unexpected. As soon as the question was posed of how Trump would react if he lost the election, I began preparing myself -- woefully inadequately, however -- for the Democrats to lose their ever lovin' minds if he won. There's a one finger pointing at the other with three pointing right back that never seems to get too old to continue. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 1:48:53 GMT
You can certainly believe that if you wish, but you are wrong IMO. The movement started with Sanders. This is the left’s version of the tea party. Think back to those early days of the tea party, the excitement, tea party candidates getting elected to the House. They are still around but now called the Freedom Caucus. Both parties have always had a right of right folks and left of left folks . The tea party organized that group, just like Sanders did on the left. Both groups brought in new members so to speak. It is possible the Bernie Bros could split the party, just like it was a real possibility the tea party could have split the Republican Party. We’ll see. But right now there is no Republican Party, there is a trump party. And that, IMO, is more of a danger to the country then anything the Democrats can do. You think Bernie Sanders just sprang up out of nowhere? Both he and the Tea Party were the result of natural progressions of the separate parties. The Republican Party is frought with people who disagree, and that's not new. It's actually why Trump won the nomination to begin with. Enough people got tired of the Republicans who continually caved to the Democrat agenda that they went with the person most likely to stand on the platforms they ran on. Look at how the Republicans buckled even when they held the House under Trump. Not a thing new about that, either. Both parties have people who are big disappointments. People who do not govern the same way they claim they will when they campaign make people want to impose term limits on the lot of them. I'd love to see some upstanding individuals break away from either party and effect positive changes, but the media will only tar the living daylight out of anyone who dares poke their head up. Honest journalism hasn't been seen from a good many popular outlets in a long time. There are agendas funded by big money involved that do not want such positive change. Disagree with me all you want, but I've seen a lot of this coming for a long time now. Even this "resistance" isn't entirely unexpected. As soon as the question was posed of how Trump would react if he lost the election, I began preparing myself -- woefully inadequately, however -- for the Democrats to lose their ever lovin' minds if he won. There's a one finger pointing at the other with three pointing right back that never seems to get too old to continue. I’m a amazed the lack of urgency there should be to get trump out of office. The man is the national emergency facing this country not some border wall. The man is unfit to be president with his lies, the corruption that surrounds him, his pettiness, his vindictiveness, his ignorance. The reality is, the “resistance” is due to his basic unfitness to be president. If one of the other 16 Republicans had won, there might have been some resistance aimed at the mean spirited policies the Republicans seem to thrive on. But this consistent resistance is aimed directly at the character of the man with his divisive words and actions. And his lies and his ignorance. So yes, we are going to disagree. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 7, 2019 3:54:03 GMT
The one truth is that neither side is going to get everything they want. So maybe instead of talking about a third party, we, as voters, accept that fact, look for and support candidates that understand and practice the art of compromise. Compromise is a word, it seems none of them know in DC!! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 7, 2019 3:57:01 GMT
Even this "resistance" isn't entirely unexpected. As soon as the question was posed of how Trump would react if he lost the election, I began preparing myself -- woefully inadequately, however -- for the Democrats to lose their ever lovin' minds if he won. Far less than what some have said the reaction of the trump voters would be. |
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