peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 3, 2014 12:30:13 GMT
How do you get through the times of having to spend time with those who hurt you?
My father physically and emotionally abused me. I am working with a therapist but different situations have been popping up and I am remembering other things that I lived through. My parents are in denial about what all of this did to me and even my therapist believes that bringing it up would not be helpful.
Last weekend I had it (we go to their house for dinner every week). My relationship with him has been strained my whole life and while I love him, I love him because he is my father, I don't necessarily like him. I stormed out of the house with my family after dinner. He is a hypocrite.
Now I have to go to dinner at the house on Sunday. I am sure nothing will be said, no apologies. I have been having anxiety attacks all week thinking about this.
How do you get through these. I just want to send dh and the kids and stay home.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 12:36:32 GMT
Actually as hard as it is to do, I walked away. There was nothing in it to benefit me, I refused to put myself in that position any longer. This was recommended by both my therapist and my MOTHER's psychiatrist. Please take care of yourself and do what is right for you, not what others think you should do.
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Post by msbee on Oct 3, 2014 12:36:50 GMT
Cut back on contact with them.
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Post by mallie on Oct 3, 2014 12:38:44 GMT
Why do you have dinner every week with someone who abused you?
What is the benefit to spending time with your abuser that is greater than the cost to your well-being?
THOSE are the questions you should be answering with your therapist.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 3, 2014 12:42:56 GMT
I don't think that is possible without an explanation to them. My father is a very generous and loving grandfather, he loves me as a daughter and I was told I was his favorite but culture and stress played a big part in what happened. My mother was a buffer for a lot of his anger.
I should clarify that the abuse was not constant but it was enough. It stopped when I stood up to him. He never hit me again.
Cutting off contact is NOT an option and I refuse to do that to my family. This is my issue and I will work through it with therapy. I just need something to help me to get through the few hours a week I have to see him.
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peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 3, 2014 12:47:34 GMT
Please do NOT pile up on me about not putting myself first and putting myself in this situation. Changing what we do is NOT an option. I don't want to be sorry I posted about this.
I just need something to focus on when I am there, to help.
Nevermind, I feel like everything I type will be twisted.
Everyone makes mistakes in their life. I made a vow to forgive him. I am still working on it but it is a process.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 3, 2014 12:50:32 GMT
I had similar circumstances but with my mother (who is now deceased). I spent some time in therapy which was time well spent in helping me work through things I had buried down deep that continued to effect my health. I know this is cliche but I at times think of an Oprah quote. Forgiveness is letting go of the hope that things could have been any different.
Therapy will change you - not him.
Not sure what precipitated you storming out of the house but how did that make things better?
Right now, I would keep my distance. I would make the visits short with a lot of time between them.
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Post by mallie on Oct 3, 2014 12:59:12 GMT
Please do NOT pile up on me about not putting myself first and putting myself in this situation. Changing what we do is NOT an option. I don't want to be sorry I posted about this. I just need something to focus on when I am there, to help. Nevermind, I feel like everything I type will be twisted. Everyone makes mistakes in their life. I made a vow to forgive him. I am still working on it but it is a process. Since you don't want to change, I have no advice. Good luck.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 3, 2014 13:03:16 GMT
I'm very Scarlett O'Hara like. I'll think about it tomorrow. Tomorrow is another day. Can you avoid your father for most of the time when you are there? Hide out in the kitchen? Play with the kids outside? Watch a football game so that you don't need to make small talk?
Over the years, I've come to believe that my parents did the best they could. And I try really hard not to repeat their mistakes. I try to focus on what the current relationship is, not what I wish it had been. They aren't bad people, but they made some poor choices.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 3, 2014 13:03:21 GMT
I am changing. Change has to come from within. How is cutting off all ties with him changing anything for the better?
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 3, 2014 13:05:50 GMT
Thank you. Yes I do much of this already. They have a huge house and I can easily stay in another room and not have to talk to him. Your second paragraph is so true. Because of what they could not do for me as a child, it has made me a much better parent. They did make very poor choices and I have made the choice to not just bury it but to honestly try and forgive him.
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 3, 2014 13:05:56 GMT
I don't really know why you don't want to change things and cut off contact with someone who abused you. I guess my question is why do you allow your family contact with someone who abused you? What does this man have over you that forces you to keep contact with him when most people would cut him out? Just because he's family doesn't mean that he gets a free pass. I'm sure you'd cut out a friend if he did the same thing to you, so why not your father.
If you're not going to change, then I guess you just need to suck it up and do it every week. I can't imagine how you can get through it if you constantly put yourself in the reach of your abuser. Most people refuse to do that, and for good reason.
Good luck. Change may have to happen to get the relief you want.
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 3, 2014 13:07:05 GMT
I am changing. Change has to come from within. How is cutting off all ties with him changing anything for the better? Peace of mind and freedom are definitely for the better. And why are you the one that has to change? Why are you letting him get a free pass? I don't understand that.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 3, 2014 13:08:45 GMT
I am changing. Change has to come from within. How is cutting off all ties with him changing anything for the better? I don't think you should cutoff all contact unless he is abusive to you now. If I understood you, that ended. But you put it out there that you stormed out if his house on the last visit and you dread going there right now. I don't know what you are looking for here - permission to not go or applauding your efforts to go and be a martyr. Why does it have to be seen from the lens of it's all or nothing? Maybe now you need to take a break from him and later when you have made progress in therapy you can resume a relationship with boundaries you are comfortable with.
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Post by worrywart on Oct 3, 2014 13:09:43 GMT
Well, it is to the point of making you physically ill with anxiety? Even though your therapist thinks it would do no good, and that is probably true, how can you continue to ignore your own well being and feelings just because it would not do any good. I am not sure about the specifics of the situation, an example of what is being said..so it is hard to give real meaningful advice, but if there is a toxic environment going on there and you are not being treated as a respected adult, your children and family are witnessing this too.
And as far as trying to forgive, that is a great goal..but I have a question, has he ever asked for forgiveness or apologized for his abuse that went on during your younger years?
I am so sorry that you are having to compromise your health and well being in this way. I hope you can find a way to come to terms with it if you are not willing to confront him.
Bullies usually back down when you stand your ground repeatedly. That is what I would recommend if you are not willing to cut ties for a while.
I forgot to add good luck. I dealt with a not so nice father as a child and though he has mellowed with age, I still have memories that sting.
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Post by jenjie on Oct 3, 2014 13:14:07 GMT
I read your OP and subsequent posts. So I understand what you're saying about not changing visits etc. A few questions come to mind. They may or may not have any bearing on your situation but might help you process. You don't have to answer me, if you know what I mean, but if you think it might be helpful you can ask yourself.
Has your dad changed at all in his attitude toward you? Does he seem more loving, accepting, whatever or does he seem like he's just doing a good job of pretending? Or openly hostile?
Related - are your anxious feelings related to what is happening in your current relationship or are they more tied to what used to be?
Early in our marriage I would say "I'm sorry" all the time. It had become an ingrained habit. My dad was a yeller and a fault finder. I'll never forget, one day my dh took my by the shoulders, looked me in the eye and said "I am not your father. You don't need to be that way with me."
In your case, is your dad the same person he was or has he grown and changed? Are you responding to the person he is now, or the person he used to be?
Do you have expectations? You may need to decide to go in with no expectations.
You say your dad is an excellent grandfather. I understand that. How do you relate to your children's other grandfather? Would it help you to compartmentalize? Rather than thinking of him as your father, to think of him as your children's grandfather.
These are just some thoughts that came to mind. I respect your efforts and wish you peace of mind.
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Post by leannec on Oct 3, 2014 13:16:32 GMT
I was sexually abused by my father ... after my mum divorced him (she didn't know at the time) I chose to have no contact with him any longer ... I was about 17 ... I have no idea what he is doing now and I certainly don't want him near my dd's ... My advice would be to cut off those weekly dinners but it sounds like your situation is a lot different from mine ... You have to do what is right for you so think of yourself first 
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Post by momto4kiddos on Oct 3, 2014 13:45:37 GMT
I can respect your desires to keep an intact family, especially if he's good to your children. My parents while not abusive were definitely different parents than grandparents.
I'd give yourself permission to take a week off if it's too much. Send dh and kids if you need another week to get past whatever happened last week.
I also agree that busying yourself is a great idea. Take a walk, take a quick trip to a nearby store. I have a close family who can get annoying at times when we're spending the day together...sometimes I take a little break by taking the dog for a walk or running out to the store. Good luck.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 3, 2014 14:24:00 GMT
OP says: "My father is a very generous and loving grandfather"
Generous is the keyword here. If you want the perks you put up with the abuser.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 3, 2014 14:43:20 GMT
While not having ever had to deal with abusive parents or abuse as a child, I do still have to deal with an ex husband who was ... just awful.
So maybe what worked for me wouldn't work for you, but I will share it in case it helps...one thing I really had to learn, not just hear and think I understood but really get was the idea that you can forgive someone for their behavior, but that doesn't mean that you forget. Forgiveness doesn't mean that you have to be like Mother Theresa and turn the other cheek to accept what ever else comes your way, it means (at least to me) that you let go of the power the person had over you, and you act accordingly. You don't forget, because forgetting could allow the behavior to return.
For me, I had to learn a definition of forgiveness that worked for me. Because of what I learned through my faith as a child, I thought that forgiveness meant that I had to completely let go to the point of giving some one a pass on what they did. I don't think that is completely right, I think (again, for me) it meant that I understood the pain that he caused me was HIS fault, and I will allow him to own that if HE CHOOSES TO-which he may never do. It meant that I was no longer waiting for the validation of his apology, or that he would ever even acknowledge his behavior. It meant that I let go of my expectations of what I wanted to happen and be okay with that. It meant that what happened after that was up to ME. That, to me, was forgiveness.
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Post by freebird on Oct 3, 2014 15:04:34 GMT
I don't really see a pile on yet.
I think what you need most is to work with your therapist to learn to be a stronger person. Personally? I wouldn't subject myself to some forced weekly meal. In a way you're still letting him control you by "forcing" you to go.
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Post by NanaKate on Oct 3, 2014 16:09:22 GMT
(((HUGS)))
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Post by loco coco on Oct 3, 2014 16:18:00 GMT
forgiveness is hard and its different for everyone. I worked on forgiving my father for a long time but all I had was hate and trying to cover it up wasnt working. After cutting him out of my life for 6+ years I was able to grow and I was able to let him back in but at an arms length. I KNOW he can still hurt me with his words but *I* know Im putting myself in the situation and how to deal with it better.
There is no way I would do a weekly get together, too risky and to many chances to be hurt. Good luck with your situation
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 16:35:21 GMT
I am changing. Change has to come from within. How is cutting off all ties with him changing anything for the better? But HE also needs to change and you've made it clear he's not interested in that. You were the victim. You can fix you, but you can't fix him. And I'm not sure that continued frequent exposure to him is healthy for you or your children. I'm not suggesting cutting off contact entirely, but every week may be too much.
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 3, 2014 16:40:57 GMT
Now I have to go to dinner at the house on Sunday. Why? Why do you "have to"? Have you had the chance to read " Boundaries"? If not, I highly, highly recommend it. (((((HUGS))))))
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 17:51:06 GMT
Forgive me if I missed something, because I have been skimming this thread, but has the issue of the abuse been addressed in the present day?
I see that you say that you will not cut off contact with him. But I know for me personally, it would be very difficult to continue a relationship where a major issue hadn't been discussed. Is there any way he would go to counseling session with you?
Other than that, I don't know what to say. The one person I know who went through something similar and whose parents are in denial about it being abuse has cut off all contact with them.
ETA: Also, you can forgive while protecting yourself at the same time. Choosing not to subject yourself to something on a weekly basis that causes you anxiety and stress doesn't mean that you're not forgiving.
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Post by sunnyd on Oct 3, 2014 18:04:35 GMT
"Now I have to go to dinner at the house on Sunday." NO, YOU DONT!! AND YOU SHOULDN'T, until your dad acknowledges his bad behavior and shows remorse and an attempt to change it. Your self worth and mental health are more valuable than his "generosity"! Please don't let him buy his way out of the abuse. ETA: As adults, we teach people how to treat us. You are ok-ing his behavior every Sunday. I think you need to talk to your dad & let him know that you need acknowledgement of the past so you can have hope for the future.
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Post by hennybutton on Oct 3, 2014 18:13:04 GMT
I don't think that is possible without an explanation to them. My father is a very generous and loving grandfather, he loves me as a daughter and I was told I was his favorite but culture and stress played a big part in what happened. My mother was a buffer for a lot of his anger. I should clarify that the abuse was not constant but it was enough. It stopped when I stood up to him. He never hit me again. Cutting off contact is NOT an option and I refuse to do that to my family. This is my issue and I will work through it with therapy. I just need something to help me to get through the few hours a week I have to see him. Have you had a heart to heart with your father now that you're grown? What I see in this post is that when you stood up to him, he realized the harm he was doing and stopped the abuse. Or, am I reading that wrong? It sounds like he did change for the better. That's so rare. You didn't say what caused you to storm out and why you say he's a hypocrite. Also, why would your therapist think talking about the abuse wouldn't be helpful? I really think you need to talk to your parents about the abuse and how it's still affecting you. Ideally, that talk should be mediated by a qualified therapist.
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on Oct 3, 2014 18:14:31 GMT
I am sorry you have to deal with this. I myself wouldn't go..... I would just not put myself and my family through that.
My step dad mentally, emotionally, and sexually abused me when I was a kid. When I was 15 I turned him to the police. I was taken to child protection and when he found out he went into our garage and shot himself. I didn't have to deal with him again. I just had to deal with what he did to me.
The only thing with that is I didn't get justice. He took the easy way out.
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Post by hennybutton on Oct 3, 2014 18:15:31 GMT
I read your OP and subsequent posts. So I understand what you're saying about not changing visits etc. A few questions come to mind. They may or may not have any bearing on your situation but might help you process. You don't have to answer me, if you know what I mean, but if you think it might be helpful you can ask yourself. Has your dad changed at all in his attitude toward you? Does he seem more loving, accepting, whatever or does he seem like he's just doing a good job of pretending? Or openly hostile? Related - are your anxious feelings related to what is happening in your current relationship or are they more tied to what used to be? Early in our marriage I would say "I'm sorry" all the time. It had become an ingrained habit. My dad was a yeller and a fault finder. I'll never forget, one day my dh took my by the shoulders, looked me in the eye and said "I am not your father. You don't need to be that way with me." In your case, is your dad the same person he was or has he grown and changed? Are you responding to the person he is now, or the person he used to be? Do you have expectations? You may need to decide to go in with no expectations. You say your dad is an excellent grandfather. I understand that. How do you relate to your children's other grandfather? Would it help you to compartmentalize? Rather than thinking of him as your father, to think of him as your children's grandfather. These are just some thoughts that came to mind. I respect your efforts and wish you peace of mind. That's an excellent post.
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