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Post by carly1030 on Mar 23, 2019 15:50:34 GMT
I wouldn’t be a troll if I sat here with the rest of your sheep and bashed Trump. I will stay a Troll, enjoy Trumps 2020 election 😂 No. YOU'RE part of the flock of sheep, princess. We are the Resistance. Get it straight. Hey Trollie!
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 23, 2019 17:01:53 GMT
Lying to the public - now there’s a thing 🙄 If there is nothing, we will know that Mueller did his job and accept his decision. NOT like how dt insinuated that there might be rioting by his supporters.. Or Rep Steve King suggesting Civil War............. Again collusion is not a crime!! "Collusion" is merely the shorthand the media and public have been using for criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States which, trust me, is a federally-codified crime, and only one in the expansive U.S. Code called Title 18 crimes, some of which Trump is still being investigated for. Collude is merely a synonym of conspire. (I know Rudy Giuliani and others kept amplifying “collusion is not a crime,” but Rudy isn’t the only one who owns a manual on federal codes. What he did was a classic example of “straw man” fallacy that serves as a smokescreen for the actual crime of conspiracy.) Re Mueller’s report - although there may not be probable cause for an indictment (and DOJ won’t indict a sitting president, anyway), or criminal intent cannot be established beyond a reasonable doubt, it doesn’t mean there’s no evidence of wrongdoing that rises to the standard of impeachable offense. The standards of criminal prosecution are not the standards of impeachment. This is why it’s critical for Congress to see the actual report and not just a summary from Barr of principal findings. Even if the public will never see this report, Congress has to in order to make a final determination if Trump did or did not commit “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Anything less than the full exercise of that power given to Congress by the Constitution, coupled with anything less than exoneration by the states of New York, Virginia, etc to whom Mueller farmed out criminal investigations, is not sufficient justification for Dems to cede. To do so at this juncture is premature, just as it is premature for Trump and co to celebrate a supposed “vindication.” If this belief makes me pigheaded, or in the inelegant words of one here, “f****d up,” so be it. I would much prefer to be accused of being either of those than be party to a miscarriage of justice.
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Post by lauradrumm on Mar 23, 2019 17:12:03 GMT
I heard Trump is pissed because it’s all words and no pictures! That was from a parody Twitter account! I know. It was a joke
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PLurker
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Post by PLurker on Mar 23, 2019 17:15:54 GMT
You people are so fucked up. You want to find something wrong no matter what. Disgusting. don't really have to find, he's right out there out in the open doing all kinds of wrong. This would just be the start of an official report. On the flip side, 'You people' don't want to see all the wrong no matter what. Disgusting.
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katybee
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Post by katybee on Mar 23, 2019 17:30:49 GMT
You people are so fucked up. You want to find something wrong no matter what. Disgusting. Well....I wouldn’t say that we “find” it. More like it’s blatantly thrown in our faces with flashing lights and a big pink feather boa screaming “LOOK HERE!”.
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Post by sunshine on Mar 23, 2019 18:34:28 GMT
The democrats have been selling this narrative for 2 years, and people have been rubbing their hands together waiting for this proof. Let's see what they've got. This coming from the guy who can’t post under his original screen name? Is your position that it is perfectly ok for the president to lie to American public and for him to surround himself with a bunch of bad folks but somehow he isn’t bad? I don’t follow your reasoning First, I never made a single post under my original name, so you haven't missed anything.
Second, if an original name is changed, it's here for everyone to see. No one needs to be a super sleuth to see that.
Third, maybe you're not following my reasoning because you're basing it on some non-existent position for me you've totally made up in your head.
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Post by carly1030 on Mar 23, 2019 19:28:54 GMT
You people are so fucked up. You want to find something wrong no matter what. Disgusting. Well....I wouldn’t say that we “find” it. More like it’s blatantly thrown in our faces with flashing lights and a big pink feather boa screaming “LOOK HERE!”.
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Mar 23, 2019 22:09:03 GMT
No matter what, IMO the Mueller report is going to be a negative for America. Our options are:
1. Russia influenced our elections. They used the Trump campaign as useful idiots, contributed tons of money and manipulated a bunch of people to act on their behalf. This is not something that is up for debate. It is something that many independent intelligence agencies have concluded, and the manipulation continues to this day - both in the US and elsewhere. And none of those people realized that they were being manipulated because they were all so stupid.
2. Russia influenced our elections, they used the Trump campaign, the NRA, and the GOP and the people who were part of it were aware of it and willing to do so - whether in a quest for money, power, or because they were blackmailed. Trump was not involved, he was kept out of the loop by all of his people and this was possible because he either didn't want to consider the possibility, or because he was too obtuse to consider it. Our government is full of traitors, and a president too stupid to see it.
3. Russia influenced our elections, and the Trump campaign et all were used willingly and with Trump's personal approval. In which case the Russians have pulled off the biggest coup imaginable, the most successful intelligence operation in history - they have installed their people in the highest office of the country and got away with it.
4. There was no collusion, and Trump had nothing to do with Russia because Russia wasn't involved in any sort of dirty play. Except this one is not possible, because we already have enough evidence and guilty pleas to show that Russia absolutely was involved, and many Americans worked with them to accomplish their goals.
So really - there is no good outcome for this. If Trump was innocent but we have evidence that the Russians are meddling and continue to do so - why is he not making it a priority to stop them? Why is he so weak on sanctions meant to punish them? And if Trump isn't innocent and is holding office at the pleasure of Putin - why is he allowed to continue to make decisions for the country?
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DEX
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Post by DEX on Mar 23, 2019 22:28:32 GMT
If there is nothing, we will know that Mueller did his job and accept his decision. NOT like how dt insinuated that there might be rioting by his supporters.. Or Rep Steve King suggesting Civil War............. Again collusion is not a crime!! "Collusion" is merely the shorthand the media and public have been using for criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States which, trust me, is a federally-codified crime, and only one in the expansive U.S. Code called Title 18 crimes, some of which Trump is still being investigated for. Collude is merely a synonym of conspire. (I know Rudy Giuliani and others kept amplifying “collusion is not a crime,” but Rudy isn’t the only one who owns a manual on federal codes. What he did was a classic example of “straw man” fallacy that serves as a smokescreen for the actual crime of conspiracy.) Re Mueller’s report - although there may not be probable cause for an indictment (and DOJ won’t indict a sitting president, anyway), or criminal intent cannot be established beyond a reasonable doubt, it doesn’t mean there’s no evidence of wrongdoing that rises to the standard of impeachable offense. The standards of criminal prosecution are not the standards of impeachment. This is why it’s critical for Congress to see the actual report and not just a summary from Barr of principal findings. Even if the public will never see this report, Congress has to in order to make a final determination if Trump did or did not commit “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Anything less than the full exercise of that power given to Congress by the Constitution, coupled with anything less than exoneration by the states of New York, Virginia, etc to whom Mueller farmed out criminal investigations, is not sufficient justification for Dems to cede. To do so at this juncture is premature, just as it is premature for Trump and co to celebrate a supposed “vindication.” If this belief makes me pigheaded, or in the inelegant words of one here, “f****d up,” so be it. I would much prefer to be accused of being either of those than be party to a miscarriage of justice. Liz, I CAN NOT tell you how much I, personally, have missed you. Please, please promise you won’t go dark for so long again. Thanks for your thoughtful perspective. If I buy you candy, will you stay? Can you be bribed?
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 23, 2019 22:40:10 GMT
Liz, I CAN NOT tell you how much I, personally, have missed you. Please, please promise you won’t go dark for so long again. Thanks for your thoughtful perspective. If I buy you candy, will you stay? Can you be bribed? LOL! Dex…ever so kind. Life just gets in the way, is all. If I had my way, I’d be here day and night!
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Post by peano on Mar 23, 2019 23:27:59 GMT
No matter what, IMO the Mueller report is going to be a negative for America. Our options are: 1. Russia influenced our elections. They used the Trump campaign as useful idiots, contributed tons of money and manipulated a bunch of people to act on their behalf. This is not something that is up for debate. It is something that many independent intelligence agencies have concluded, and the manipulation continues to this day - both in the US and elsewhere. And none of those people realized that they were being manipulated because they were all so stupid.2. Russia influenced our elections, they used the Trump campaign, the NRA, and the GOP and the people who were part of it were aware of it and willing to do so - whether in a quest for money, power, or because they were blackmailed. Trump was not involved, he was kept out of the loop by all of his people and this was possible because he either didn't want to consider the possibility, or because he was too obtuse to consider it. Our government is full of traitors, and a president too stupid to see it.3. Russia influenced our elections, and the Trump campaign et all were used willingly and with Trump's personal approval. In which case the Russians have pulled off the biggest coup imaginable, the most successful intelligence operation in history - they have installed their people in the highest office of the country and got away with it.4. There was no collusion, and Trump had nothing to do with Russia because Russia wasn't involved in any sort of dirty play. Except this one is not possible, because we already have enough evidence and guilty pleas to show that Russia absolutely was involved, and many Americans worked with them to accomplish their goals. So really - there is no good outcome for this. If Trump was innocent but we have evidence that the Russians are meddling and continue to do so - why is he not making it a priority to stop them? Why is he so weak on sanctions meant to punish them? And if Trump isn't innocent and is holding office at the pleasure of Putin - why is he allowed to continue to make decisions for the country? Exactly. And that statement from Mitch McConnell upthread is priceless. Yes, the Republicans were ALL OVER getting to the bottom of Russia interfering in our elections when they controlled both houses. Please. It’s your team that’s staffed with morons, not ours.
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Mar 23, 2019 23:41:50 GMT
I am still waiting for Trump's tax returns. If he has nothing to hide, why won't he release them.
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Post by inkedup on Mar 24, 2019 1:14:00 GMT
You people are so fucked up. You want to find something wrong no matter what. Disgusting. I.can't.even...... There is no dignified response to this except STFU. Years of bashing HRC and any other Democrat, fake crimes...pizzagate? And spreading any lie he can to get someone else in shit but him? Manafort? papadopolous? Gates? Flynn? Cohen? Shake your empty head....he is guilty of many crimes. Someone in my husband's family owns a business. Her business was hurt after she shared several birther memes and Valarie Jarrett's supposed year book blurb about turning America into a Muslim nation on her public business page. She frames the lost business as persecution from Obama loyalists. "It's like you can't say anything without them calling you racist or saying you hate Muslims." The right indulged in years of whispers, insinuations and outright charges that Obama wasn't American (enough). That he had some secret Muslim agenda. And now, they are oddly silent while Trump sucks up to Russia and North Korea. They think Trump is the victim while his close associates plead guilty to all sorts of crimes. The willful ignorance from the right is pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 11:49:27 GMT
Once again, carly the troll shows the world that she is a disgusting pig. I wouldn’t be a troll if I sat here with the rest of your sheep and bashed Trump. I will stay a Troll, enjoy Trumps 2020 election 😂 I'd rather be a "sheep" than support a leader that couldn't care a dime about their own country. Maybe your 2020 wish could do with a few lessons in recognising the problem rather than deny that the problem exists and not do anything about it!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 19:54:30 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 20:03:46 GMT
“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 20:06:10 GMT
Mueller saying that it is for the AG/DOJ to determine if trump obstructed.
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Post by kelbel827 on Mar 24, 2019 20:16:39 GMT
Wonder how much they were paid off
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scrapngranny
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Post by scrapngranny on Mar 24, 2019 20:18:49 GMT
I’m somewhat surprised they did not find anything at all. It will be interesting to find out what Congress finds out about what has gone on after the campaign. This group of clowns aren’t that good at covering their tracks.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 24, 2019 20:20:33 GMT
“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’” SHS: "The findings of the Dept of Justice are a total and complete exoneration of the POTUS" DO we believe her? NO!!
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DEX
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Post by DEX on Mar 24, 2019 20:22:52 GMT
Wonder how much they were paid off As a newly minted Democrat, I will not support this line of thinking. I think there are lots more investigations and indictments to come. We still have several State investigations. No immunity as a sitting president for those. There may be no collusion but:
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 20:41:44 GMT
I’m somewhat surprised they did not find anything at all. It will be interesting to find out what Congress finds out about what has gone on after the campaign. This group of clowns aren’t that good at covering their tracks. While we are only seeing what Bart wrote, it still I isn’t true that Mueller’s investigation found nothing. He found plenty and people are going to jail because of it! There are still trials to be had. And we all knew that what SHS is stating was going to be their party line the entire time. It doesn’t talk Mueller’s report to inform us that trump is and will likely always be an idiot and unfit for office.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 20:41:44 GMT
I’m somewhat surprised they did not find anything at all. It will be interesting to find out what Congress finds out about what has gone on after the campaign. This group of clowns aren’t that good at covering their tracks. While we are only seeing what Bart wrote, it still I isn’t true that Mueller’s investigation found nothing. He found plenty and people are going to jail because of it! There are still trials to be had. And we all knew that what SHS is stating was going to be their party line the entire time. It doesn’t talk Mueller’s report to inform us that trump is and will likely always be an idiot and unfit for office.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 20:42:33 GMT
“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’” SHS: "The findings of the Dept of Justice are a total and complete exoneration of the POTUS" DO we believe her? NO!! And what SHS is saying is not what Bart stated either! She lies and spins.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 20:43:31 GMT
*******And I wouldn’t bother to even respond to the trolls who you will know are going to show up and try to engage. ********
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Post by Merge on Mar 24, 2019 20:58:21 GMT
I’m somewhat surprised they did not find anything at all. It will be interesting to find out what Congress finds out about what has gone on after the campaign. This group of clowns aren’t that good at covering their tracks. Barr's report doesn't say that Mueller didn't find anything. Barr and Rosenstein have made this determination alone. They need to release the report.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 21:14:22 GMT
“In light of the very concerning discrepancies and final decision making at the Justice Department following the Special Counsel report, where Mueller did not exonerate the President, we will be calling Attorney General Barr in to testify before @housejudiciary in the near future.” (Jerry Nadler)
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 21:19:11 GMT
ECM—-
“Hi folks. I'm inundated with your messages. I'm with my kids, and I am providing commentary over on Twitter.
Bottom line: Mueller DID NOT exonerate the President of obstruction. Barr claims to have done that.
The Barr summary is not a substitute for the report.
We must scream from the rooftops for the public disclosure of the ENTIRE Mueller report.
And then we've got to let the House do it's job.
In the meantime: take care of yourselves. If I can go live today, I will.
EDITED TO ADD: and there are still SIXTEEN OTHER ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS.”
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 24, 2019 21:43:48 GMT
Wonder how much they were paid off I don’t think anyone on the Mueller team was paid off, if that’s what you’re saying.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 22:02:05 GMT
Wonder how much they were paid off I don’t think anyone on the Mueller team was paid off, if that’s what you’re saying. Me either. I have faith that the report has netted some very serious investigations that are upcoming. This report doesn’t change who trump is and will always be.
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