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Post by quinlove on Mar 24, 2019 22:49:16 GMT
“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’” Trump was just on tv saying - it was a complete and total exoneration. This is is literally making me sick. Of course, I know that’s not true or what’s in the report. All the WH lies are sickening.
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Post by lisae on Mar 24, 2019 23:02:36 GMT
“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’” Trump was just on tv saying - it was a complete and total exoneration. This is is literally making me sick. Of course, I know that’s not true or what’s in the report. All the WH lies are sickening. As usual, he has made it all about him. He ignored the indictments, guilty pleas, and convictions of so many people close to him. He ignored the fact that one of our greatest adversaries tried to influence our election - and did with some of their social media propaganda. This was a necessary investigation whether he had anything to do with it or not.
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Post by inkedup on Mar 24, 2019 23:12:51 GMT
“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’” Trump was just on tv saying - it was a complete and total exoneration. This is is literally making me sick. Of course, I know that’s not true or what’s in the report. All the WH lies are sickening. He is such a pompous ass. I'll believe his take on this when the Muller Report is released and/or Trump's innocence is confirmed by anyone with the authority to do so. That said, I think it's time for Democrats to focus more on presenting excellent candidates in 2020 and less on the Grifter in Chief. I had a feeling nothing would touch Trump when all was said and done.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 24, 2019 23:38:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 23:54:22 GMT
To the people crowing about his innocence on my feed, I have lost any respect I had for you. One of which is a pastor.
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Post by mom on Mar 24, 2019 23:57:56 GMT
Trump was just on tv saying - it was a complete and total exoneration. This is is literally making me sick. Of course, I know that’s not true or what’s in the report. All the WH lies are sickening. He is such a pompous ass. I'll believe his take on this when the Muller Report is released and/or Trump's innocence is confirmed by anyone with the authority to do so. That said, I think it's time for Democrats to focus more on presenting excellent candidates in 2020 and less on the Grifter in Chief.
I had a feeling nothing would touch Trump when all was said and done. I agree. As someone who doesn't know all the Democrats candidates and what they bring to the table, I'm ready to learn about who is running and what substance they are running on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 1:06:47 GMT
It's good to know the children of a candidate can meet and plan w/a foreign power. I hope we remember this when other candidates do it in the future.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 1:50:14 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 3:09:13 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 25, 2019 3:26:29 GMT
Trump was just on tv saying - it was a complete and total exoneration. He LIES!!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Mar 25, 2019 3:57:50 GMT
I think we need to keep in mind a few things.
One, we have only read Barr's four page summary. We have only seen what he has let us see.
Two, Barr was hand picked by Trump. He also was vocally opinionated about the Mueller investigation.
Three, if nothing else, even Barr's quick summary has shown that: Russia actors did indeed work to interfere with American elections; and that Trump had surrounded himself with criminals throughout his presidency.
If he really didn't know, do we want a president so oblivious?
Also, now that it has been confirmed that Russia actors definitely worked to affect our elections, what will our president do to punish them, and what measures will he take to ensure it doesn't happen again?
And when will he hold a press briefing denouncing what Russia has done?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 4:29:27 GMT
calm down. the game is only at the next level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 6:06:34 GMT
It is NOT about finding something wrong no matter what... When you have people in the FBI talking about "an insurance policy to stop him", you have people hoping for an economic collapse just to get rid of Trump... seriously hoping to destroy Americans to get rid of Trump. When it was all about the Mueller investigation finding the crimes he committed and when there weren't any the goalposts get moved, then it IS about finding something wrong, no matter what. It is, always has been and always will be.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 25, 2019 6:26:41 GMT
I think we need to keep in mind a few things. One, we have only read Barr's four page summary. We have only seen what he has let us see. Two, Barr was hand picked by Trump. He also was vocally opinionated about the Mueller investigation. Three, if nothing else, even Barr's quick summary has shown that: Russia actors did indeed work to interfere with American elections; and that Trump had surrounded himself with criminals throughout his presidency. If he really didn't know, do we want a president so oblivious? Also, now that it has been confirmed that Russia actors definitely worked to affect our elections, what will our president do to punish them, and what measures will he take to ensure it doesn't happen again?
And when will he hold a press briefing denouncing what Russia has done?The report from all 3 intelligence agencies stating the Russians interfered was released in early 2017 wasn’t it? The indictments from Mueller’s team against the Russians came down in February of 2018. So I think we can safely assume the answer to your question is: nothing. He will do nothing. I hope things have changed but the last I read the team in charge of working to avoid this in the future had not received direction from him and the money put aside to fight it wasn’t being used. I really hope that has changed. Wait, he did say something. That he believed Putin. That Putin said he didn’t do it and he believed him.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 25, 2019 6:37:55 GMT
It is NOT about finding something wrong no matter what... When you have people in the FBI talking about "an insurance policy to stop him", you have people hoping for an economic collapse just to get rid of Trump... seriously hoping to destroy Americans to get rid of Trump. When it was all about the Mueller investigation finding the crimes he committed and when there weren't any the goalposts get moved, then it IS about finding something wrong, no matter what. It is, always has been and always will be. I mean, you get that Trump is still being investigated in about a dozen other cases, right? So to say “there weren’t any” regarding the crimes he committed is, at best, premature. That people were indicted, plead guilty, found guilty, and are still waiting for trial? Did you read the original letter appointing Mueller? It was not just about Trump. At this point, all we know is that they did not find evidence of collusion. That’s it. And you know what? I hope they’re right. I hope that in moving forward it can actually be proven to be true. That he is “just” an idiot who Putin helped get elected, who is too stupid to realize that he hired criminals for his campaign and appointed them to prominent positions. Truly. Because the alternative makes my blood run cold.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 10:09:57 GMT
I think we need to keep in mind a few things. One, we have only read Barr's four page summary. We have only seen what he has let us see. Two, Barr was hand picked by Trump. He also was vocally opinionated about the Mueller investigation. Three, if nothing else, even Barr's quick summary has shown that: Russia actors did indeed work to interfere with American elections; and that Trump had surrounded himself with criminals throughout his presidency. If he really didn't know, do we want a president so oblivious? Also, now that it has been confirmed that Russia actors definitely worked to affect our elections, what will our president do to punish them, and what measures will he take to ensure it doesn't happen again?
And when will he hold a press briefing denouncing what Russia has done?The report from all 3 intelligence agencies stating the Russians interfered was released in early 2017 wasn’t it? The indictments from Mueller’s team against the Russians came down in February of 2018. So I think we can safely assume the answer to your question is: nothing. He will do nothing. I hope things have changed but the last I read the team in charge of working to avoid this in the future had not received direction from him and the money put aside to fight it wasn’t being used. I really hope that has changed. Wait, he did say something. That he believed Putin. That Putin said he didn’t do it and he believed him. Yes, the Barr letter on the report also indicated the same—there WAS Russian/foreign interference TO GET TRUMP ELECTED. Many difference intelligence agencies came to the same conclusion. Cambridge Antalytica—paid for by the Mercer’s, at the helm with Bannon, while Bannon was moving trump all along. Sure, plenty of people were hoping that this report was going to take him out, but as it progresses and Mueller investigation laid out all these other investigations, well I do believe that many hopes were dashed that this would be “it”, or the final straw. It’s funny that I’ve been reading from the trump apologists, that the “report found nothing wrong” when in fact, it most certainly did. People are going to jail. More investigations (at least 15) are ongoing. More people are going to jail. Trump wasn’t exonerated by this report as he and his staff are lying about. It’s sad that his base believes him. We see it right here on refupeas that he is believed on that whopper of a lie—when every person with eyes and ears can read/see he’s lying. Again, the Mueller report is not necessary for what everyone sees every day going on with this administration and the GOP. Trump’s going to continue being the self serving, America damaging asshole he is, was, always will be. Trump lies. The Republicans lie. They are damaging our democracy. This report changes none of that. Elections have consequences. He will he gone soon. Unless Russia, once again helps him to win.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 10:58:33 GMT
(UPDATE) The minimum number of *active* investigations targeting Trump, many involving pre- and post-election multinational collusion:
✅SDNY ✅EDNY ✅EDVA ✅USDC-DC ✅NYCDA ✅NYAG ✅NJAG ✅MDAG ✅DCAG ✅SCO* ✅FBI ✅CIA ✅HPSCI ✅SSCI ✅HJC ✅HOC ✅HFSC ✅HWMC
*Ongoing cases.—-Seth Abramson
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 11:50:02 GMT
I can't get my head round how he could stand there and state that he had been completely exonerated or that SHS said the same thing. Don't they know how to read or have the ability to comprehend what they do read?
" There was no collusion" Yes, of course there was, by someone. The letter only confirms that there was no evidence that the Trump campaign or anyone involved with it had colluded. To deny any collusion is wrong. He's making it all about him as he always does. It is so much more than just about him. The report did find evidence that there was 2 main Russian efforts to influence the election. Doesn't that bother him? No, obviously not, if all he cares about is that there was no evidence that he or his campaign people were involved.It should bother him, very much, that they did in fact interfere in the way they did. It's interesting that the report specifically says Trump's campaign and those associated with it and not that no one colluded..........it's all in the wording folks!
He wasn't exonerated of other crimes either. Any further actions that might need to be taken were " unresolved because of difficult issues of Law" That isn't an exoneration that is " we aren't sure which law he can be prosecuted under or even if there is a law that covers what he's done" He's obviously done something that, on a legal basis, is ambiguous.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 25, 2019 12:14:52 GMT
Is anyone sick of the republicans whining about how much of a waste this investigation was, and how unfair it was, and how much of a Shame it was for the country, all the while still calling for more investigation of Hillary Clinton?
I agree that we need to see the report and have some explanation of the findings.
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Post by pyccku on Mar 25, 2019 12:27:26 GMT
Until the full report is released, all we have to go on is a summary by a guy chosen by Trump specifically for this purpose. Let's say that Barr is 100% impartial and only wants justice, and he has no water to carry for Trump. In this case, it would seem that the conclusion is
1. Russians were involved in influencing our election. They did lots of illegal stuff, and continue to do it. 2. Trump and his campaign were completely uninvolved in the Russian operation. However, they did benefit from it. 3. The Russians continue their operations. But Trump is unconcerned and unwilling to make any sort of move to counter these operations, even though they are a threat to American democracy and the legitimacy of the government. Because Putin told him "It wasn't me."
While those who love Trump may think this is a good outcome, the fact that everyone agrees that Russia has in the past and continues to run operations to hijack our political system - and others around the world - but that the president of the US chooses not to do anything to counter those operations is not good at all. It means that we can expect more operations in the future. It means that every single election is now going to be tainted. If Trump wins in 2020, how much was due to Russian interference? What if the Russians decide that Trump has outlived his usefulness, and they back a different candidate? What if the Chinese, North Koreans, Israelis, Saudis, or EU decide that they want to get in on the game and pool their resources to counter a Russia-backed Trump? Every single election will now be called into question, because Trump has decided to do nothing. He's decided to ignore the evidence because accepting the Russian operations in 2016 means admitting that without their help, he may not have been able to win the election. His ego can't handle this, because he's the bestest candidate ever and definitely the bestest president ever - but this means that the US is being left vulnerable to future such attacks.
But hey, Vova told him that it's all cool, so no worries.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 12:59:17 GMT
Is anyone sick of the republicans whining about how much of a waste this investigation was, and how unfair it was, and how much of a Shame it was for the country, all the while still calling for more investigation of Hillary Clinton? I agree that we need to see the report and have some explanation of the findings. Take it with a grain of salt...the NEED to control their narrative because they KNOW what they’re doing sucks, they KNOW that trump is an asshole who lies as he breathes. They’ll have more to complain about, there are 15-17 more investigations on deck!!!
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 25, 2019 13:29:52 GMT
I just finished reading the summary and it’s practically all of Barr’s opinions and judgments. Four quotes from Mueller’s report? Of a twenty-two-month investigation?! That doesn’t even come close to what would be acceptable, especially since Barr already concluded back when he was auditioning for the AG job that there’s no such thing as obstruction of justice for a president. You and I can be prosecuted for it but not the president.
And now Barr’s primary reasoning for concluding there’s no obstruction is because there is no underlying crime of conspiracy? In other words, since there is no conspiracy there is no corrupt intent by Trump to obstruct? Nothing in jurisprudence requires that an underlying crime be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and prosecuted BEFORE a defendant can be charged and prosecuted for obstruction. No such thing.
Additionally, If I believe what Barr is saying that he and Rosenstein concluded there is no “corrupt intent” and therefore cannot satisfy the three-prong requirement of obstruction, someone needs to tell this country’s citizens the intent behind Trump firing Comey; covering for Don Jr by writing a letter lying about the purpose of the Trump Tower meeting; punishing Sessions for recusing; and Trump’s order to fire Mueller that was thwarted only because McGahn threatened to quit. Because Comey is too tall? Because Trump was bored on Air Force One? Because Sessions is Southern? Because Mueller is of German descent? What? And how did Barr and Rosenstein establish absence of corrupt intent WITHOUT a single face-to-face interview of Trump?
The House needs to sort this out because my gut tells me something’s rotten in Denmark. (And no, I don’t own a tin foil hat.)
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 13:41:31 GMT
I just finished reading the summary and it’s practically all of Barr’s opinions and judgments. Four quotes from Mueller’s report? Of a twenty-two-month investigation?! That doesn’t even come close to what would be acceptable, especially since Barr already concluded back when he was auditioning for the AG job that there’s no such thing as obstruction of justice for a president. You and I can be prosecuted for it but not the president. And now Barr’s primary reasoning for concluding there’s no obstruction is because there is no underlying crime of conspiracy? In other words, since there is no conspiracy there is no corrupt intent by Trump to obstruct? Nothing in jurisprudence requires that an underlying crime be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and prosecuted BEFORE a defendant can be charged and prosecuted for obstruction. No such thing. Additionally, If I believe what Barr is saying that he and Rosenstein concluded there is no “corrupt intent” and therefore cannot satisfy the three-prong requirement of obstruction, someone needs to tell this country’s citizens the intent behind Trump firing Comey; covering for Don Jr by writing a letter lying about the purpose of the Trump Tower meeting; punishing Sessions for recusing; and Trump’s order to fire Mueller that was thwarted only because McGahn threatened to quit. Because Comey is too tall? Because Trump was bored on Air Force One? Because Sessions is Southern? Because Mueller is of German descent? What? And how did Barr and Rosenstein establish absence of corrupt intent WITHOUT a single face-to-face interview of Trump? The House needs to sort this out because my gut tells me something’s rotten in Denmark. (And no, I don’t own a tin foil hat.) Bart know why he was hired, it wasn’t a big secret. Barr’s son is on the White House legal team Barr’s daughter now works at the DOJ.
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Post by imsirius on Mar 25, 2019 13:50:02 GMT
It is NOT about finding something wrong no matter what... When you have people in the FBI talking about "an insurance policy to stop him", you have people hoping for an economic collapse just to get rid of Trump... seriously hoping to destroy Americans to get rid of Trump. When it was all about the Mueller investigation finding the crimes he committed and when there weren't any the goalposts get moved, then it IS about finding something wrong, no matter what. It is, always has been and always will be. Ahh but see, that's where you are WRONG. There ARE crimes....Mueller left it up to Congress. Barr wasn't going to tell the truth..we knew that when Trump hand picked him as AG. Stick your head head in the sand.....he " CAN NOT BE EXONERATED".
Facts matter.
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Post by Merge on Mar 25, 2019 13:54:20 GMT
Barr pre-judged the obstruction issue more than a year ago. It's why he was appointed.
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Post by imsirius on Mar 25, 2019 13:57:40 GMT
He even ADMITS that Russia offered and HE KNEW ABOUT IT.
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Post by imsirius on Mar 25, 2019 14:01:43 GMT
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Post by imsirius on Mar 25, 2019 14:02:43 GMT
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