zella
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Post by zella on Oct 5, 2014 18:51:26 GMT
See update below, on page one.
First let me say that dd has an appointment with a neurologist on Tuesday. We have no dr available today (Sunday). Our only option is the ER, which involves an hour and a half journey, which we will do if necessary. Neither DD not I are eager to go to ER and would rather wait for appointment if possible, but that's not looking good right now.
DD has lots of health issues, particularly migraines and fibromyalgia. She recently developed a significant hand tremor which subsides when her hands are resting.
Starting about a week ago, she has had episodes where her entire body shakes and jerks. It looks a lot like the violent chills you can get if extremely cold or feverish. They lasted a few minutes. She was scheduled to have her tonsils removed Friday, but an episode occurred in pre-op, was witnessed by a doctor, and the surgeon said she couldn't have surgery. DD wasn't sent to the ER, but was encouraged to move up her neurology appointment (originally scheduled for the 15th).
Yesterday these spells were longer and more frequent, but she slept most of the time. She came into our room around 3 a.m. having had these full-body convulsions (not seizures, but I don't know how else to describe them) for an hour already. She took a xanax which gave only minimal relief. Her episode went on for four hours, and then she fell asleep.
During the episodes she is fully conscious, has no pain except for eventual muscle pain from the spasms. She has no other symptoms.
I have tried to figure out anything at all that might explain these episodes, with no luck whatsoever. Has anyone seen or experienced anything like this? Anyone have any ideas, no matter how unlikely or strange, that might explain what's happening?
DD is asleep right now; I'm going to shower and get ready to head to ER just in case.
Thanks.
UPDATE 10.13.14
I apologize for taking so long to post this; had a hard week last week for various reasons.
Tia saw her neurologist last Tuesday. The neuro strongly feels these episodes are somatic. Lesley, it looks as though we're dealing with the same thing as you and your daughter. She said Tia could have tests if she wanted, but that she was confident everything would come back negative. Tia was very upset at this, she feels as though this is neither a diagnosis or help. But she's only had minor episodes of the full body convulsions since then. She does still have a significant tremor in her hands, which is considered an essential tremor. This may go away eventually; I do hope so. But it's neither serious nor dangerous, just very annoying.
Tia is seeing her surgeon on the 22nd, and surgery is scheduled shortly after that. Her neuro suggested she have valium prior to the IV insertion (this is what triggered the episode in pre-op), and that this should help a lot. I'll tell the surgeon, too, that an episode won't happen under anesthesia, as they never happen when she's sleeping, nor do they wake her.
Tia does see a counselor every two weeks, but I think it's time to find someone more used to dealing with chronic pain and anxiety, and to go once a week. This is just one of the plans for the coming weeks.
A huge thank you to everyone who commented, prayed, sent positive thoughts, cared. Although we've mostly come through this latest issue, Tia continues to be a very sad young lady, and her road remains hard. I just wish I could walk it for her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 18:54:19 GMT
I don't have any suggestions, but that sounds scary! Is it possible they are migraine related? Migraines actually affect the whole body, not just the head/brain.
Please try to video tape at least one episode before you go to see any doctor.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 5, 2014 19:02:59 GMT
i'd head to the ER to be honest
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Post by anniefb on Oct 5, 2014 19:03:34 GMT
I don't really have any ideas either but so sorry to hear your DD is going through this. The idea of videoing what's happening sounds like a good one.
It sounds like the symptoms are increasing in length & frequency in which case I'd be tempted to go to the ER, even if it's a long drive. Sending positive thoughts and prayers your way.
Ok I just googled fibromyalgia and tremors and it sounds like tremors can be a symptom though not everyone has them. Hope you get some answers soon.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 5, 2014 19:05:50 GMT
That's about as ER worthy as it gets. An escalation in symptoms that severe would send me looking for an answer sooner rather than later. I would not wait until Tuesday.
I hope it all turns out to be benign, but that sounds very taxing on your DD's body.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 5, 2014 19:11:12 GMT
DH has Juvenile myoclonic epilepsy and honestly we didn't even know until about 4 years ago. Then he had a seizure and apparently fell and hit his head at work. Nobody could find him for an hour or so, we think he may have either blacked out or hit his head as he fell and knocked himself out. (luckily he works at a hospital).
How far apart are the jerks? I don'[t think I would wait until Tuesday. A four hour "episode" as you are calling it cannot be good. I'd take her to the ER now. They can admit her and monitor her brain and her heart as they put a lot of strain on your body.
A year after DH's first seizure he started convulsing after a night of drinking while on vacation. They wouldn't stop. They ended up being every 2-5 minutes. We had to go to the ER to get them to stop. They gave him ativan and monitored him. He is now on daily meds and hasn't had a seizure for two years (knock on wood).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 19:27:00 GMT
I would go to the ER. Something isn't right.
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Post by darkangel090260 on Oct 5, 2014 19:29:15 GMT
please take her in ASAP. This does not sound like something to wait on.
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Post by evnimom on Oct 5, 2014 19:49:43 GMT
Yes, please take her in. Can you get a hold of a doctor on call? I had to take my DD into the ER for seizures on New Year's Eve years ago. I'll keep you in my thoughts; please update when you can.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 19:50:06 GMT
The neuro is going to run several tests. I think you should get her into a major hospital with a neuro staff, not a rural hospital, and get started on the testing. By the time her appointment would have rolled around, you'll already have some answers. Might as well cut to the chase, get her aadmitted, and begin testing.
They'll also be able to give her some relief via an IV and be able to intervene during future episodes.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Oct 5, 2014 19:57:05 GMT
I hope she is on her way to the ER now. in all of the first aid courses I took, that is a 911 call.
there are good meds to control seizures.
I wouldn't waste time asking the 2peasrefugees.
she needs a neurologist. asap.
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Post by rst on Oct 5, 2014 20:47:30 GMT
There's a lot of information not given in the OP, like age, other medical conditions, etc, but it sounds consistent with dystonia or autonomic dysfunction, both of which my youngest son has, in combination with his profound CP. Because these are ongoing and well investigated issues for him, we would not be headed to the ER without other factors added, but we do have plans in place, approved by his medical team, with medications to try and a protocol for when we stop treating at home and head to the ER. If this is new and you don't have that kind of plan or rescue meds to use at home, I do have to agree that it's time to call the on-call neuro and probably head in to an ER. They'd be able to give IV meds to stop the jerking/spasms, though quite honestly, they'll probably get it under control and send you home with meds to wait it out until your neuro appointment unless they have some kind of unexpected finding.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 21:53:12 GMT
This is going to sound odd, but has she recently went on birth control? My sister is the poster child for getting those rare side effects they talk about on drug commercials. She had seizure like symptoms, would get jerky movements, and sometimes, just faint and slide down to the floor after she started on birth control pills. She could also sleep for a very long time after these episodes. She does have a history of migraines as well.
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Post by suzastampin on Oct 5, 2014 22:01:33 GMT
I would have been heading to the ER after the first hour. I don't think I could have watched it for four hours. That's just too scary for me. Please don't wait for the doctor appointment on Tuesday.
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Post by arielsmom on Oct 5, 2014 22:16:27 GMT
Cut out all caffeine asap. Go to the ER. If they are seizures and uncontrolled, it can cause brain damage.
Hugs,,,,,keep us updated.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Oct 5, 2014 22:23:19 GMT
It sounds like things got significantly worse after the doctor witnessed one of these episodes. I'm another one who would take my kid to the ER. You may get testing done more quickly in the ER than as an outpatient if something is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 22:24:51 GMT
I'd go to the E/R as well and agree a "big city" one would be preferable to a rural hospital. The E/R (here at least, in our small town) will immediately run all the tests that can take days to get through if you wait for your regular appointment, even Neuro. They'll have a Neuro doctor on call if not already working. I'd be too worried to wait. Anything possibly brain-related, I don't mess around with. I'm sorry she's going through this and hope it stops soon. {{{hugs}}} mama. It's hard, huh?
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Post by peabay on Oct 5, 2014 22:51:11 GMT
Does she have an anxiety disorder?
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Post by lesley on Oct 5, 2014 23:21:30 GMT
Does she have an anxiety disorder? I was about to ask this too. About two years ago, my DD started having convulsions which could go on for several hours. Her whole body shook and she would moan throughout. She was mostly aware when it was about to start, but not always. They started with just one or two a day, but increased to maybe 8-10 a day, varying in length. She was always exhausted when they were over. Her psychiatrist got her an urgent referral to a neurologist, and she had a CAT scan and various other tests. The eventual findings were that these 'seizures' were somatic, caused by an overload of stress and anxiety. My DD suffers from depression, OCD and PTSD. Once she was reassured that she was physically ok, the convulsions subsided and have never returned.
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Post by elaine on Oct 5, 2014 23:22:35 GMT
Has she had her thyroid levels checked? I developed a noticeable hand tremor while hyperthyroid. It can also cause muscle spasms.
How old is she?
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zella
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Post by zella on Oct 6, 2014 0:04:12 GMT
Hi everyone. Here is an update as of 4:40 pm, and I'm going to try to respond to the questions and comments in this thread.
DD is 22. She is on several meds, including low-dose birth control, lamictal (to try to prevent migraines) and Effexor (for depression). She does have mild anxiety. None of her meds have been changed recently and she hasn't started any new ones. She has dealt with some PTSD issues, though she seems to be much better lately.
I am definitely thinking these could be somatic.
She doesn't consume any caffeine.
My sister has variant migraines that present as a seizure, and is on high-dose lamictal to prevent them. Hers have gone on for long periods of time (an hour or so). She never loses consciousness, but she loses the ability to speak. DD has had migraines for 12 years, so I'm also wondering about a variant migraine, especially having seen my sister with these.
We live outside a big city. Good hospitals are about 1 1/2 hours away. We have an ER about 30 minutes away, but I don't trust the doctors there; they have misdiagnosed me too many times.
DH convinced me not to take DD to the ER, based on several factors. Any ER doc will know nothing about her history, and will pretty much have to start from scratch. There's a good chance she'll be given valium and sent home, where the spells may well just start again once the valium wears off. Other than being very uncomfortable, she's not in any danger from these episodes. She doesn't hold her breath, or stop breathing, lose consciousness or fall down.
I just spoke at length with our pharmacist to see if this might be a drug side-effect or interaction. She didn't think so. Interestingly, she too said to try and wait it out until Tuesday.
We do have video of a couple of the spells; I can't call them seizures because we don't know if they are.
We do have access to a doctor on call, but I know from experience that he/she will just say to take her to the ER.
The jerks occur in a cluster every few seconds (as soon as her body relaxes it tightens up again right away), then she'll go a few seconds, maybe as long as a minute, before it starts again.
Right now she is asleep, and these don't seem to be happening in her sleep. So my plan is to have her sleep as much as possible.
Her thyroid levels were checked recently and were normal. She had a lot of bloodwork done a month or two ago, and the only abnormality is a slightly elevated platelet count.
Lesley, this sounds very much like my daughter. I'm going to reassure her that's she's safe and okay; perhaps it will make a difference.
If there are any changes at all, then the ER it will be. I am an RN, so I do feel confident in my ability to recognize any life-threatening occurrences; and if she at any point loses consciousness or the ability to communicate, I'll be calling 911.
Thank you for your concern and help; I really appreciate it. I'll update again when there's more to tell.
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Post by luckyexwife on Oct 6, 2014 0:12:28 GMT
Praying for you and your DD.
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Post by KikiPea on Oct 6, 2014 0:21:50 GMT
Prayers being said!
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Post by simplylovely on Oct 6, 2014 0:23:04 GMT
OMG. Good thoughts are with you and your DD.
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Post by lightetc on Oct 6, 2014 0:24:30 GMT
Not a big fan of bringing it up on a public forum but have you looked at Chronic Lyme disease? I'm aware that it's exceptionally controversial but the migraines, pain and neuro symptoms combined could fit. I hate making suggestions like this to people dealing with chronic issues because it can be so hard to get an answer that fits and everyone has so many "helpful" suggestions, but if, after the neuro and the ER,you're not any closer and only being given reactive actions, maybe look into it. This book is fairly comprehensive and comes recommended - www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1250019400?pc_redir=1411946361&robot_redir=1Good luck - I really hope she's feeling better soon.
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Post by elaine on Oct 6, 2014 0:26:33 GMT
Sending up good wishes and prayers for your daughter.
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Post by AussieMeg on Oct 6, 2014 0:31:37 GMT
Zella it must be very scary to watch your daughter go through that, and I'm sure it's scary for her too! (((Hugs))) to you both.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 6, 2014 0:32:22 GMT
DH had episodes like that when the Lamictal stopped working. They switched him to a different med, but I don't know which one it b is.
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Post by marienadine on Oct 6, 2014 0:39:52 GMT
Praying for your daughter and you!
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zella
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Post by zella on Oct 6, 2014 1:35:25 GMT
Thank you, ladies, for all your kind thoughts, wishes and prayers.
Lyme Disease is unlikely based on where we've lived (Washington for 10 years now, Colorado before that) and the fact that she is rarely outside anywhere that she might be exposed to a deer tick. I've only seen a tick once or twice on a dog.
Your support really means a lot to me. This is very hard on me. I don't care if your kid is 2 or 22, it's tough to see them suffer.
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