sweetpeasmom
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Post by sweetpeasmom on May 17, 2019 11:48:58 GMT
This has become a huge epidemic around here. Our high school had a presentation a few weeks ago where the sheriff came out to discuss the dangers of vaping in teens. Our school started off the school year and has been going strong on suspensions. My ds was one of them (day 3 of school no less). We have made it very clear to him our feelings on vaping. He has been busted multiple times here at home. Each time we have a punishment doled out. It is so frustrating.
How do we break him of this? I am seriously considering a nicotine patch. He'll be 17 in 2 weeks, so I'm not sure if that is a good idea or not.
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Post by scrappington on May 17, 2019 11:57:51 GMT
Is the stuff he is vaping have nicotine in it? Not all does?
He needs to go cold turkey at his age.
Adding a patch with nicotine in it only prolongs the withdrawal. Plus I tried them as an adult and those things are not great in my opinion.
Im not sure how you can get him to stop. I really wished anything my parents did would have made me stop. Im 40 now and 30 days smoke free. I started when I was 13
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Post by sweetpeasmom on May 17, 2019 12:08:41 GMT
Is the stuff he is vaping have nicotine in it? Not all does? He needs to go cold turkey at his age. Adding a patch with nicotine in it only prolongs the withdrawal. Plus I tried them as an adult and those things are not great in my opinion. Im not sure how you can get him to stop. I really wished anything my parents did would have made me stop. Im 40 now and 30 days smoke free. I started when I was 13 The last vile of juice I found had the highest level of nicotine in it they sold. |
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Post by scrappington on May 17, 2019 12:25:32 GMT
Punishment. Hard core punishment,
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Post by PolarGreen12 on May 17, 2019 12:39:07 GMT
Sorry you’re going through this with your kid. It’s so weird to me that teens now never even smoke cigarettes. They just go straight into vaping. And it’s just as bad. All those chemicals and it’s not regulated in any way. Popcorn lung. There are a lot of people at my work that vape in the building and the boss isn’t doing anything about it. Drives me nuts.  |
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Post by freecharlie on May 17, 2019 12:40:52 GMT
How does he access his money? Shut that down and require receipts for everything. Throw away all the crap anytime you find it. The base thing is fairly expensive apparently
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Post by mikklynn on May 17, 2019 12:55:08 GMT
Do you have a family doctor that could help him with explaining nicotine addiction? Or, maybe your clinic has something.
I hate vaping, because you have no real idea WHAT is in the liquid.
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Post by hop2 on May 17, 2019 12:57:03 GMT
Mine didn’t fall for vaping because his nerdy self looked it up and discovered evidence of how vaping puts heavy metals into your lungs.
Would he ‘listen’ to reason? Would he see the dangers?
Unfortunately, as with smoking, your not going to break him if the habit until/unless HE *wants* to. Yes, if he wants to you could use patches/him/ other meds to bring him off of it but if he doesn’t want to you’ll just increase his addiction
Sorry your dealing with this
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Post by mikklynn on May 17, 2019 16:03:40 GMT
Also, is he aware of just how addicting nicotine is? He will need help. link |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 17, 2019 16:42:25 GMT
If he was doing harder drugs, you'd consult with a doctor, right? Vaping is toxic, and the nicotine is addictive. He needs medical help to detox.
I'm sorry you are dealing with this.
Also, somewhat related, has anyone noticed that there are vape commercials? I'm pretty sure cig commercials are banned, why not vape commercials?
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Post by craftymom101 on May 17, 2019 18:09:34 GMT
I’m sorry you’re going through this. Vaping is one of my fears for my children. My ex was never a smoker but took up vaping about 2 years before we divorced. According to my kids vaping is “no big deal” since their dad does it and he’s healthy. Ugh. It’s so gross and I’m really hoping my boys avoid the disgusting habit.
I would throw away his stash and limit his funds (and his ability to pay for the habit). He is still a kid and has no idea how tough it will be for him to kick a nicotine habit later in life.
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Post by nlwilkins on May 17, 2019 21:57:49 GMT
If he can afford vaping, he can afford to pay his way - rent, food, car insurance and so on. Make it about money. Tell him if he has money to waste, then you no longer need to support him and figure out a weekly bill for what he gets from you all. Pretty soon, he will figure out that vaping is too expensive Hopefully. Or,charge a home tax on vaping that he is required to pay every week he vapes.
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Post by Merge on May 17, 2019 22:25:14 GMT
This is an issue at our house. Older DD started vaping sometime last year. It's easy to say "hardcore punishment" or "take their money," but neither of those recognizes that quitting a serious nicotine addiction cold turkey while managing the stress and workload of high school is not necessarily going to be successful. We initially took the juul and threw it away, and DD started bumming cigarettes from friends to deal with the withdrawal. I have never smoked, but DH did, and he says it's not as easy as just deciding to stop. The addiction is very real.
We've chosen to address this as a health issue rather than a punishment one. I hate that the non-fruity juul pods have a higher level of nicotine, because it makes it that much harder for them to quit. DD has a plan to quit over the sumer that involves stepping down to lower levels of nicotine and then moving to a patch. She wants to be done with it before college. She knows that starting was a stupid choice and that she's spending money on it that she then doesn't have for other purposes, and she wants to break the habit.
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Post by sassyangel on May 17, 2019 22:41:14 GMT
I have friends who have switched them from smoking believeing they are harmless, and that they’ve quit smoking. 😞 They were initially marketed as a safe alternative.Some of the pods they smoke now, have higher concentrations of nicotine than the cigarettes they switched from. It’s insidious. 🙁
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Post by AussieMeg on May 17, 2019 23:01:47 GMT
I have friends who have switched them from smoking believeing they are harmless, and that they’ve quit smoking. 😞 They were initially marketed as a safe alternative.Some of the pods they smoke now, have higher concentrations of nicotine than the cigarettes they switched from. It’s insidious. 🙁 I was talking to a youngish guy recently, who was vaping a lovely smelling watermelon and strawberry liquid, and was asking him about vaping. It is actually illegal to buy, possess or use liquid nicotine in Australia. The the liquid that he was vaping was just glycerine and flavouring and whatever else they put into it. He was finding it very helpful in giving up smoking, even though he wasn't getting a nicotine hit from it. I'm sure that there are plenty of people here who get their liquid nicotine illegally though. Probably shipped from NZ or elsewhere. |
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Post by scrapngranny on May 17, 2019 23:08:31 GMT
This tough at this age. They are invincible and the health warnings aren’t real to them. Look how many teens started smoking when we were kids, the health warnings were everywhere.
Even though you have to 21 to purchase vaping products, they find a way, just like alcohol. Considering he is only 16, short of not allowing him to leave without a parent, I don’t think any punishment will address this. If he has a car you can try taking that away.
Raising teens is the most frustrating part of parenthood. My grandchildren are going through this stage now. I think my kids have finally figured out I’m not as dumb as they thought and I really was doing my best to get them through their teens alive.
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Post by sassyangel on May 17, 2019 23:32:42 GMT
I have friends who have switched them from smoking believeing they are harmless, and that they’ve quit smoking. 😞 They were initially marketed as a safe alternative.Some of the pods they smoke now, have higher concentrations of nicotine than the cigarettes they switched from. It’s insidious. 🙁 I was talking to a youngish guy recently, who was vaping a lovely smelling watermelon and strawberry liquid, and was asking him about vaping. It is actually illegal to buy, possess or use liquid nicotine in Australia. The the liquid that he was vaping was just glycerine and flavouring and whatever else they put into it. He was finding it very helpful in giving up smoking, even though he wasn't getting a nicotine hit from it. I'm sure that there are plenty of people here who get their liquid nicotine illegally though. Probably shipped from NZ or elsewhere. That doesn’t surprise me given Australia’s stringent treatment of even regular smoking now. Those carton pics!😳 I think it’s different here though. And while I do think there are some without nicotine that are used as a stop smoking aid like that guy, that’s not what most people are smoking unfortunately. They’re not really regulated here at all though, currently. So the lack of awareness about nicotine levels in them might be because of that. There is a social component to smoking as well so I definitely get how vaping would help that guy with quitting smoking. It’s really too bad that it hasn’t quite turned out like that here for a lot of people. |
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Post by sweetpeasmom on May 18, 2019 0:16:56 GMT
How does he access his money? Shut that down and require receipts for everything. Throw away all the crap anytime you find it. The base thing is fairly expensive apparently He has a checking account and his paycheck is direct deposited. He said last night he's not buying from the smoke shops. So I guess he has someone 18 or older buying for him and paying them.
Sorry you’re going through this with your kid. It’s so weird to me that teens now never even smoke cigarettes. They just go straight into vaping. And it’s just as bad. All those chemicals and it’s not regulated in any way. Popcorn lung. There are a lot of people at my work that vape in the building and the boss isn’t doing anything about it. Drives me nuts.
I have told him about this multiple times. Of course that's not going to happen to him. The stuff he vapes doesn't have those ingredients in them (please note my sarcasm and the rolling of my eyes)
Thank you all for the advice and support. This has been a source of frustration for about 2 years now. Part of it is him doing something that is not good for him and could cause long lasting issues. The other part is the lying. He has told us he wasn't vaping anymore. I wanted to believe him. But I also knew better. I just couldn't prove it. Until I find the evidence. That's what happened last night. And this time I didn't even go looking for it. I hate not being able to trust and believe my son. It makes me very sad. I have family members growing up that would lie, steal and cheat. My sister being on of them. Our relationship is forever damaged for choices she made. I don't want that for me and my son.
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Post by milocat on May 18, 2019 0:47:43 GMT
sassyangel you don't have those graphic pictures on your packs? In Canada we've had them for years. They are suggesting an overhaul of the packaging again. Plain brown brand name and even more room the warnings and photos. Bothers me to see it occasionally as a non-smoker.
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Post by trollie on May 18, 2019 1:07:06 GMT
The vaping industry has royally pissed me off. Nicotine use as been on the decline for years, especially with teens and young people who think smoking is disgusting. I hope the industry is hit with a bunch of class action law suits in the future. Vape totally markets to young people with the fruity smells and packaging.  |
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Post by sweetpeasmom on May 18, 2019 1:24:46 GMT
The vaping industry has royally pissed me off. Nicotine use as been on the decline for years, especially with teens and young people who think smoking is disgusting. I hope the industry is hit with a bunch of class action law suits in the future. Vape totally markets to young people with the fruity smells and packaging. That's just it. I think for so long it as the tar from cigarette smoking that was damaging. Yes the nicotine was addictive. But because it was addictive allowed the continuous damage from the tar. But since there isn't any tar and stuff in the vape, the kids don't realize it's still damaging. Does that make sense? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 18, 2019 1:26:27 GMT
I have told him about this multiple times. Of course that's not going to happen to him. The stuff he vapes doesn't have those ingredients in them (please note my sarcasm and the rolling of my eyes) NOT just your DS. Whether they like it or not they ARE SMOKING. It is a habit and not a good one. I think they really consume more because they often do it in places where they were not allowed to smoke cigarettes at all. I am a former smoker. A group of us was out for lunch some time back. One of the ladies said she had quit, although she then pulled out her 'tools' to vape right at the lunch table. At least smoker would have gone out side to smoke. So she now vapes inside and outside, thus more consumed. |
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Post by craftymom101 on May 18, 2019 1:57:53 GMT
I have told him about this multiple times. Of course that's not going to happen to him. The stuff he vapes doesn't have those ingredients in them (please note my sarcasm and the rolling of my eyes) NOT just your DS. Whether they like it or not they ARE SMOKING. It is a habit and not a good one. I think they really consume more because they often do it in places where they were not allowed to smoke cigarettes at all. I am a former smoker. A group of us was out for lunch some time back. One of the ladies said she had quit, although she then pulled out her 'tools' to vape right at the lunch table. At least smoker would have gone out side to smoke. So she now vapes inside and outside, thus more consumed. I’ve found that vaping is done much more frequently than smoking because it’s not banned everywhere like smoking is. When my ex picked up the habit he tried to vape in the house and car and I said no. I’m sure my kids are exposed to it all the time at his house and it bugs the crap out of me. My oldest emulates his father’s behavior and I know he will eventually start vaping.  I think the fake fruit and coffee smells are disgusting. |
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Post by pmm on May 18, 2019 2:40:53 GMT
My son started vaping and I was incredibly unhappy with his decision too. He was over 18, so I approached it from an insurance angle. I told him that he was an adult and capable of making his own decisions. I was disappointed in this particular decision and left it at that.
I proceeded to inform him that my insurance charges an additional $40 per pay period for smokers. When I sign us up for insurance, I attest that all the info is correct including smoking status. Since I was unwilling to pay the fee or lie and risk losing my job, he would have to find his own insurance because I would be dropping him from my plan during open enrollment.
A few months latter, he came to me and told me that he was sorry he disappointed me and that he was working on quitting. He would periodically give me spontaneous updates and had quit by open enrollment.
Maybe that angle would help you.
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Post by trollie on May 18, 2019 2:41:24 GMT
The vaping industry has royally pissed me off. Nicotine use as been on the decline for years, especially with teens and young people who think smoking is disgusting. I hope the industry is hit with a bunch of class action law suits in the future. Vape totally markets to young people with the fruity smells and packaging. That's just it. I think for so long it as the tar from cigarette smoking that was damaging. Yes the nicotine was addictive. But because it was addictive allowed the continuous damage from the tar. But since there isn't any tar and stuff in the vape, the kids don't realize it's still damaging. Does that make sense? Yep. Makes complete sense.  I just don't understand how people sleep at night knowing that they are selling harmful products to their customers. Hurting the very people that are making them successful. |
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Post by Jennifer C on May 18, 2019 2:55:19 GMT
I do not understand why the FDA announced in July 2017 that it would delay until 2022 the requirement that e-cigarette companies submit their products, including all ingredients, to FDA for review. The American Lung Association and our partners filed a lawsuit against the FDA for this delay, but for the meantime, these products remain on the market until FDA begins to enforce the provisions.
It has gotten so bad at our HS that they are fining parents $5o if a minor is found in possession of a vape or juice more than 3 times. So far, only one parent has been required to pay the fine and from what I understood, she paid it with no problem.
Jennifer
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Post by sassyangel on May 18, 2019 19:31:27 GMT
sassyangel you don't have those graphic pictures on your packs? In Canada we've had them for years. They are suggesting an overhaul of the packaging again. Plain brown brand name and even more room the warnings and photos. Bothers me to see it occasionally as a non-smoker. Not in the US, no. Australia does, has had them for years too. It bothered me to see it too. Between the those pictures and the price of them now, I can’t believe anyone would take it up in Australia willingly anymore. |
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Post by sweetpeasmom on May 18, 2019 20:40:20 GMT
My son started vaping and I was incredibly unhappy with his decision too. He was over 18, so I approached it from an insurance angle. I told him that he was an adult and capable of making his own decisions. I was disappointed in this particular decision and left it at that. I proceeded to inform him that my insurance charges an additional $40 per pay period for smokers. When I sign us up for insurance, I attest that all the info is correct including smoking status. Since I was unwilling to pay the fee or lie and risk losing my job, he would have to find his own insurance because I would be dropping him from my plan during open enrollment. A few months latter, he came to me and told me that he was sorry he disappointed me and that he was working on quitting. He would periodically give me spontaneous updates and had quit by open enrollment. Maybe that angle would help you. I honestly never thought of that. I will have to have that discussion with dh. It’s a very good point. He’s under 18, so getting his own policy is not an option. |
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Post by sweetpeasmom on May 18, 2019 20:41:55 GMT
I do not understand why the FDA announced in July 2017 that it would delay until 2022 the requirement that e-cigarette companies submit their products, including all ingredients, to FDA for review. The American Lung Association and our partners filed a lawsuit against the FDA for this delay, but for the meantime, these products remain on the market until FDA begins to enforce the provisions. It has gotten so bad at our HS that they are fining parents $5o if a minor is found in possession of a vape or juice more than 3 times. So far, only one parent has been required to pay the fine and from what I understood, she paid it with no problem. Jennifer A local school announced they will be treating it as a possession of a felony product (pot) next year. It’s bc of the juice that has THC in it. It’s up to the kid to prove it otherwise. |
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Post by pmm on May 19, 2019 1:33:34 GMT
My son started vaping and I was incredibly unhappy with his decision too. He was over 18, so I approached it from an insurance angle. I told him that he was an adult and capable of making his own decisions. I was disappointed in this particular decision and left it at that. I proceeded to inform him that my insurance charges an additional $40 per pay period for smokers. When I sign us up for insurance, I attest that all the info is correct including smoking status. Since I was unwilling to pay the fee or lie and risk losing my job, he would have to find his own insurance because I would be dropping him from my plan during open enrollment. A few months latter, he came to me and told me that he was sorry he disappointed me and that he was working on quitting. He would periodically give me spontaneous updates and had quit by open enrollment. Maybe that angle would help you. I honestly never thought of that. I will have to have that discussion with dh. It’s a very good point. He’s under 18, so getting his own policy is not an option. With him being under 18, it does make things tricky. I think I would have a conversation with him and ask him how he would like to handle the extra charge on the insurance. It would be interesting to see how he processes the information and how he would like to resolve the added expense. Another discussion point would be how he would feel if he missed out on a job opportunity because they tested for nicotine in the drug screen during the hiring process. I know in my field, healthcare, many hospitals and facilities have started adopting a policy that they do not hire individuals that test positive for nicotine. One network disqualifies you from applying for six months after a positive nicotine drug screen. I wish you the best in this situation. |
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I think the fake fruit and coffee smells are disgusting. 
I just don't understand how people sleep at night knowing that they are selling harmful products to their customers. Hurting the very people that are making them successful.