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Post by julie5 on Jun 11, 2019 0:44:23 GMT
Oh wow. I hadn’t ever heard of a dead zone. Thanks the little bit of education tonight. Scary stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 0:53:44 GMT
I've only been aware of algae blooms down here and the scariness of the water, but I never heard of anything of this magnitude!!
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Post by andreasmom on Jun 11, 2019 0:55:09 GMT
Really sad to read this. It is scary.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 11, 2019 1:08:24 GMT
WOW!!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 11, 2019 10:02:54 GMT
I hadn't heard about this before. It makes me so angry, because if I'm reading it right, farming (much of it that may be corporate) fertilizer is running off into waters that lead into the Gulf. This causes deadzones due to its effects, oh and also can contaminate drinking water and may cause cancer.
But does the government force corporations to change their techniques to stop this from happening? No, because businesses own politicians.
Let's put the burden of reversing climate change on individual citizens. Let's make sure big government hurries up and tickets me if I don't have recycling cans out, even though they dump the recycling and trash in the same truck because they burn it now that they can't ship it overseas.
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Post by julie5 on Jun 11, 2019 14:18:28 GMT
I hadn't heard about this before. It makes me so angry, because if I'm reading it right, farming (much of it that may be corporate) fertilizer is running off into waters that lead into the Gulf. This causes deadzones due to its effects, oh and also can contaminate drinking water and may cause cancer. But does the government force corporations to change their techniques to stop this from happening? No, because businesses own politicians. Let's put the burden of reversing climate change on individual citizens. Let's make sure big government hurries up and tickets me if I don't have recycling cans out, even though they dump the recycling and trash in the same truck because they burn it now that they can't ship it overseas. Farming is so vital to our survival, yet, it’s killing our planet. The fertilizers they use are downright terrifying. It affects the rain cycles so we have to artificially irrigate, which in turn affects the water tAble. It’s vicious cycle. I live on farmland but we rent it out to be farmed. My husbands parents used to operate their farm and because of that he says he won’t eat anything fresh off the farm without being washed thoroughly. They use chemicals not just to kill off pests, but to foster faster growth. |
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 11, 2019 14:52:26 GMT
I hadn't heard about this before. It makes me so angry, because if I'm reading it right, farming (much of it that may be corporate) fertilizer is running off into waters that lead into the Gulf. This causes deadzones due to its effects, oh and also can contaminate drinking water and may cause cancer. But does the government force corporations to change their techniques to stop this from happening? No, because businesses own politicians. Fertilizer run-off is a real issue, and we really REALLY want to avoid it. It can be hard to prevent when there are massive floods, like this year. We have buffer zones to filter, but when there is so much rain, it is hard to stop it. The Missouri River basin is still under water. The dams upstream where put in place to prevent these types of floods, but the Corp is not using them in the manner of flood prevention as they were designed for. They are using them to manage wildlife now, which was not the intention of the dams. I know the need to keep our eco system clean is important, but they are running the system in a way that is a detriment to be able to do that. The finger ALWAYS gets pointed at the farmer. I can promise you the methods in which fertilizer and chemicals are used has changed in a major way, and are continuing to change. The amount of chemicals and pesticides we use has dropped dramatically. GMO crops have reduced the need for a lot of these chemicals tremendously. Our fields are soil sampled and mapped. We precision plant, we precision apply fertilizer and chemicals. That 'shit' is expensive. The cost of putting a crop in the ground would probably really surprise you. The last thing we want is for any of that to be lost. Can things be improved? Oh hell yes! We live here - we want our water clean and our land productive. We have switched to predominantly no-till, which reduces the run off tremendously. The soil health is amazing. The amount of earthworms is beautiful. Cover crops in the fall help too. Many people are adapting these processes, and hopefully more will in the future. We pasture cattle along the river and the filth that comes down the river is awful. It makes our cattle sick and we have to vaccinate them to prevent disease and death loss. You know where that crud is coming from? The wastewater treatment plants of the towns up river.... it's from people! They can discharge into the rivers and streams when they get a big rain. |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 11, 2019 16:41:29 GMT
I hadn't heard about this before. It makes me so angry, because if I'm reading it right, farming (much of it that may be corporate) fertilizer is running off into waters that lead into the Gulf. This causes deadzones due to its effects, oh and also can contaminate drinking water and may cause cancer. But does the government force corporations to change their techniques to stop this from happening? No, because businesses own politicians. Fertilizer run-off is a real issue, and we really REALLY want to avoid it. It can be hard to prevent when there are massive floods, like this year. We have buffer zones to filter, but when there is so much rain, it is hard to stop it. The Missouri River basin is still under water. The dams upstream where put in place to prevent these types of floods, but the Corp is not using them in the manner of flood prevention as they were designed for. They are using them to manage wildlife now, which was not the intention of the dams. I know the need to keep our eco system clean is important, but they are running the system in a way that is a detriment to be able to do that. The finger ALWAYS gets pointed at the farmer. I can promise you the methods in which fertilizer and chemicals are used has changed in a major way, and are continuing to change. The amount of chemicals and pesticides we use has dropped dramatically. GMO crops have reduced the need for a lot of these chemicals tremendously. Our fields are soil sampled and mapped. We precision plant, we precision apply fertilizer and chemicals. That 'shit' is expensive. The cost of putting a crop in the ground would probably really surprise you. The last thing we want is for any of that to be lost. Can things be improved? Oh hell yes! We live here - we want our water clean and our land productive. We have switched to predominantly no-till, which reduces the run off tremendously. The soil health is amazing. The amount of earthworms is beautiful. Cover crops in the fall help too. Many people are adapting these processes, and hopefully more will in the future. We pasture cattle along the river and the filth that comes down the river is awful. It makes our cattle sick and we have to vaccinate them to prevent disease and death loss. You know where that crud is coming from? The wastewater treatment plants of the towns up river.... it's from people! They can discharge into the rivers and streams when they get a big rain. I want to thank you for your extensive post. I definitely did post from a place of frustration, fear, and worry. The problem is so multifaceted, and I don't wish to point fingers at the farmers. I feel such frustration because there is no clear cut answer. Farmers can't just stop using pesticides and chemicals. Could you imagine the outrage of the general public if produce and farm goods were priced to realistically represent the cost of growing the crop, plus the cost of the failed percentage of the crop, plus the profit on top of that? I just fear that we've already destroyed our planet beyond repair and we just don't realize it yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 16:51:20 GMT
I hadn't heard about this before. It makes me so angry, because if I'm reading it right, farming (much of it that may be corporate) fertilizer is running off into waters that lead into the Gulf. This causes deadzones due to its effects, oh and also can contaminate drinking water and may cause cancer. But does the government force corporations to change their techniques to stop this from happening? No, because businesses own politicians. Let's put the burden of reversing climate change on individual citizens. Let's make sure big government hurries up and tickets me if I don't have recycling cans out, even though they dump the recycling and trash in the same truck because they burn it now that they can't ship it overseas. You are reading it correctly, and I've been active with the SWFL water associations. They keep people updated on the real issues that the State tries to hide. I'm extremely concerned with the groundwater here. It's beyond just hard water. We live in an apartment so we have no recourse about having filtration systems here for the complex. The frustrating because they insist that the water is just fine. Key West, FL has banned Round-up, which is a huge start, but the rest of the state is hesitant to save us!! I feel terrible that it's the same in other areas now. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 11, 2019 17:43:41 GMT
The finger ALWAYS gets pointed at the farmer. I can promise you the methods in which fertilizer and chemicals are used has changed in a major way, and are continuing to change. The amount of chemicals and pesticides we use has dropped dramatically. NO finger pointing by me. I am frustrated for you. We are all a bit responsible for this mess one way or another. The huge corporate farming is a problem, but not THE problem. We really really need to learn to live together. WE need to fix climate change, we need responsible regulations. Why can't we all recycle, why does it need to be shipped elsewhere? We do not have the leadership we need to make it better. WE must work on this NOW! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 18:50:25 GMT
I hadn't heard about this before. It makes me so angry, because if I'm reading it right, farming (much of it that may be corporate) fertilizer is running off into waters that lead into the Gulf. This causes deadzones due to its effects, oh and also can contaminate drinking water and may cause cancer. But does the government force corporations to change their techniques to stop this from happening? No, because businesses own politicians. Fertilizer run-off is a real issue, and we really REALLY want to avoid it. It can be hard to prevent when there are massive floods, like this year. We have buffer zones to filter, but when there is so much rain, it is hard to stop it. The Missouri River basin is still under water. The dams upstream where put in place to prevent these types of floods, but the Corp is not using them in the manner of flood prevention as they were designed for. They are using them to manage wildlife now, which was not the intention of the dams. I know the need to keep our eco system clean is important, but they are running the system in a way that is a detriment to be able to do that. The finger ALWAYS gets pointed at the farmer. I can promise you the methods in which fertilizer and chemicals are used has changed in a major way, and are continuing to change. The amount of chemicals and pesticides we use has dropped dramatically. GMO crops have reduced the need for a lot of these chemicals tremendously. Our fields are soil sampled and mapped. We precision plant, we precision apply fertilizer and chemicals. That 'shit' is expensive. The cost of putting a crop in the ground would probably really surprise you. The last thing we want is for any of that to be lost. Can things be improved? Oh hell yes! We live here - we want our water clean and our land productive. We have switched to predominantly no-till, which reduces the run off tremendously. The soil health is amazing. The amount of earthworms is beautiful. Cover crops in the fall help too. Many people are adapting these processes, and hopefully more will in the future. We pasture cattle along the river and the filth that comes down the river is awful. It makes our cattle sick and we have to vaccinate them to prevent disease and death loss. You know where that crud is coming from? The wastewater treatment plants of the towns up river.... it's from people! They can discharge into the rivers and streams when they get a big rain. The amount of drugs that are flushed into our water systems....And people wonder why it is hard to the flu and other viruses. I am on the side of the responsible farmer/rancher, but damn it , no responsiblE person puts 50-100 dairy cows on less 10 acres! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 18:55:41 GMT
The finger ALWAYS gets pointed at the farmer. I can promise you the methods in which fertilizer and chemicals are used has changed in a major way, and are continuing to change. The amount of chemicals and pesticides we use has dropped dramatically. NO finger pointing by me. I am frustrated for you. We are all a bit responsible for this mess one way or another. The huge corporate farming is a problem, but not THE problem. We really really need to learn to live together. WE need to fix climate change, we need responsible regulations. Why can't we all recycle, why does it need to be shipped elsewhere? We do not have the leadership we need to make it better. WE must work on this NOW! We can not recycle because of all the chemical waste products. It’s the reason that we don’t process our own ore or fabricate anything. We have the technology but it is expensive and no consumer is ready to absorb the cost, nor are they willing to lose money out of the retirement accounts. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 15, 2019 21:15:16 GMT
In the long run this could all be related.............. At least 279 dolphins have been stranded along the Gulf Coast since February, scientists sayBY JESSICA CAMPISI - 06/15/19 12:58 PM EDT At least 279 dolphins — triple the average number — have been stranded along parts of the Gulf Coast since February, and 98 percent of them have died, scientists say. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) reported the figures on Friday, according to The Associated Press. The federal agency has said scores of bottlenose dolphins have been stranded since Feb. 1, with scientists declaring an Unusual Mortality Event (UME) along the Northern Gulf of Mexico. A UME is defined as "a stranding that is unexpected; involves a significant die-off of any marine mammal population; and demands immediate response,” according to the NOAA. The dolphins are turning up along the coast of states including Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, federal scientists say. Mississippi had 121 dolphin strandings as of Wednesday, with 89 in Louisiana, 32 in Alabama and 37 in Florida, the AP reported. Scientists will investigate whether the 2010 BP oil spill is still affecting these areas and the surrounding wildlife, as well as the impact of low salinity, Teri Rowles, coordinator for NOAA fisheries’ marine mammal health and stranding response program, said Friday. The BP spill caused numerous health problems and contributed to the Gulf of Mexico’s largest and longest epidemic of dying dolphins. Other potential causes of the recent strandings could include pollutants in the water and changes in dolphins' prey, the AP noted. Meanwhile, scientists haven’t figured out what’s causing the event, in part because the dolphins' bodies they have recovered have decomposed, making it difficult to collect samples. Some have also been stranded in remote places, making it harder to recover the carcasses. thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/448724-nearly-300-dolphins-have-died-along-the-gulf-coast-since |
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