pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Jun 13, 2019 2:00:05 GMT
Now that Trump has made it clear that foreign interference is welcome, other countries will surely be wanting in on the action. But which country will come out on top?
China and North Korea have decent hackers and definitely have a dog in the fight. They may support the non-Trump candidate. russia is already a player and won’t be sitting out 2020. They’ll be on team trump. the Saudis have the money to make it happen. They’ll probably go for trump. the EU may want to push for stability and keeping NATO. They may support the democratic candidate.
so...who’s it going to be?
i don’t think that other countries should have a say in this. But, it is what it is and it’s naive to think that other nations haven’t noticed the “open for business” sign, so perhaps we should start considering which nation we’d prefer to have as our puppet masters.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 13, 2019 2:26:41 GMT
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TheOtherMeg
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jun 13, 2019 2:37:28 GMT
I misread, I thought it said who will.
Not sure who "should," but I suspect Saudi Arabia/various ME countries will invest even more heavily in the Trump family, administration, and businesses of friends.
Russia already owns Trump. I don't see why they'd bother spending/doing more than they have.
NK has proven Kim merely needs to publicly stroke Trump's ego to get him to sell out the US's interests.
China... Maybe, but... I'm not feeling it.
My money is on ME money.
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trollie
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Post by trollie on Jun 13, 2019 2:39:49 GMT
yuck
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samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Jun 13, 2019 3:28:45 GMT
ALL will get in on the action, if they haven't already. Waiting to read Seth Abramson's new book about this.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 13, 2019 4:49:46 GMT
It’s so unfuckingbelievable that I’m almost speechless.
They need to impeach the motherfucker tomorrow.
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casii
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Post by casii on Jun 13, 2019 13:27:50 GMT
I'm tired of 'strong words', but not strong deeds by the Democrats. And I'm sure as hell done with Trump supporters who are proclaiming they don't care if Russia interfered, they'd rather have Trump than Killary which makes zero sense. Letting themselves be led by misguided feelings is bringing about a fast ruin to our country.
But even if Congress acts, Mitch McConnell will sit on it while we all burn down.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 13, 2019 13:58:19 GMT
Where is the choice for "American voters?"
Back when we didn't know about the Russian interference, news folk talked about Russia not wanting HC. At the time, I thought that perhaps that is who should win, since our enemy didn't want her--apparently Putin didn't think HC would cozy up to him the way DT does.
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 13, 2019 15:45:20 GMT
I can’t choose a single one. Since it’s open house, every single country is “welcome.”
What’s at the root of all this apart from a man who’s never had respect for rules or laws or norms? He’s never been held accountable for anything. The absence of a readily-available and easily-implemented mechanism to hold him accountable is due to two memos that assert no sitting president can be indicted. Memos. I cannot think of any other democratic country that has allowed friggin’ memos to stymie the application of law. Why these united states of a republic allowed this to happen is beyond my comprehension.
So, here we are…come one, come all, countries that yearn to buy ours for the gates have been unlocked.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 13, 2019 15:47:27 GMT
I'm not sure whether to sigh, scream, or move to fucking Canada. This motherfucker.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 13, 2019 15:58:24 GMT
I'm just going to wait for Stacy Abrams to be president. Can that happen please? Someday?
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Post by dewryce on Jun 13, 2019 15:59:47 GMT
I can’t choose a single one. Since it’s open house, every single country is “welcome.” What’s at the root of all this apart from a man who’s never had respect for rules or laws or norms? He’s never been held accountable for anything. The absence of a readily-available and easily-implemented mechanism to hold him accountable is due to two memos that assert no sitting president can be indicted. Memos. I cannot think of any other democratic country that has allowed friggin’ memos to stymie the application of law. Why these united states of a republic allowed this to happen is beyond my comprehension. So, here we are…come one, come all, countries that yearn to buy ours for the gates have been unlocked. That and a corrupt GOP. Without that the House would have indicted him because the Senate would rightly remove him. I know you know this, sorry not lecturing. Just pissed that they allow, encourage the add to the corruption. I keep thinking that his corrupt administration and party have brought to light so many holes in the checks and balances system that they never even anticipated.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 13, 2019 16:04:49 GMT
The country? I think it will be Saudi Arabia/UAE. They have the wealth that trump and kushners so desperately want and they’re no where close now. One reason why they won’t hold that MBS (or whatever) for ordering the killing and dismembering of the reporter Kashoggi. Another is trump circumventing Congress on $8 BILLION of arms sales to Saudi. Since trump has declared it an “emergency” he totally went around the norm if Congress approving arms sales to foreign entities. With trump—it’s ALWAYS follow the money that will personally enrich him. ETA—I found this after my post— www.rawstory.com/2019/06/follow-the-money-nancy-pelosi-names-the-source-of-all-trump-family-scandals/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Jun 13, 2019 16:11:24 GMT
Where is the choice for "American voters?" Back when we didn't know about the Russian interference, news folk talked about Russia not wanting HC. At the time, I thought that perhaps that is who should win, since our enemy didn't want her--apparently Putin didn't think HC would cozy up to him the way DT does. That is no longer an option. Maybe back in the day, but as of 2016 it has all changed. It was hidden before but now it is open to anyone who wishes to participate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 17:31:43 GMT
In this case, do we even need to concern ourselves with voting at all? Serious question. If our votes make no difference, there is no reason to keep doing it, is there?
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Post by dewryce on Jun 13, 2019 17:45:10 GMT
In this case, do we even need to concern ourselves with voting at all? Serious question. If our votes make no difference, there is no reason to keep doing it, is there? I don’t think I understand the question. It seems like you’re suggesting not voting as a possible option, rather than fixing what is wrong with the system and fighting corruption. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 13, 2019 18:22:54 GMT
In this case, do we even need to concern ourselves with voting at all? Serious question. If our votes make no difference, there is no reason to keep doing it, is there? Are our lives and livelihoods not worth fighting for anymore? Surely, anyone can see how compromised, self serving and corrupt this potus is actively and aggressively working in his own interests and not the interests of the majority of the American people. Voting is a privileged right to those who are eligible. Right now, this administration/GOP is actively -and a-okay with it—promoting and seeking gerrymandering, voter suppression, and foreign interference. If those of us who are sick and tired to this crap don’t stand up and fight for us, who will? Not this administration/GOP, that’s for certain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 18:31:43 GMT
In this case, do we even need to concern ourselves with voting at all? Serious question. If our votes make no difference, there is no reason to keep doing it, is there? I don’t think I understand the question. It seems like you’re suggesting not voting as a possible option, rather than fixing what is wrong with the system and fighting corruption. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong. You are reading it wrong.🙂 I'm asking a serious question, not suggesting any option. If our votes are compromised or controlled, how can we use them for change or fixing things?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 18:35:32 GMT
In this case, do we even need to concern ourselves with voting at all? Serious question. If our votes make no difference, there is no reason to keep doing it, is there? Are our lives and livelihoods not worth fighting for anymore? Surely, anyone can see how compromised, self serving and corrupt this potus is actively and aggressively working in his own interests and not the interests of the majority of the American people. Voting is a privileged right to those who are eligible. Right now, this administration/GOP is actively -and a-okay with it—promoting and seeking gerrymandering, voter suppression, and foreign interference. If those of us who are sick and tired to this crap don’t stand up and fight for us, who will? Not this administration/GOP, that’s for certain. See above response to dewryce -- regardless of whatever any of us are wanting to change or fix or fight, if our votes are not our own, how can they do that?
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 13, 2019 18:37:39 GMT
I'm not sure whether to sigh, scream, or move to fucking Canada. This motherfucker. Better get your name down quickly. It’s getting harder to get in. I know a well-educated woman who is getting deported. She applied for landed immigrant, bought significant property and is still being deported. Also healthcare and STEM people are needed.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 13, 2019 18:41:11 GMT
I don’t think I understand the question. It seems like you’re suggesting not voting as a possible option, rather than fixing what is wrong with the system and fighting corruption. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong. You are reading it wrong.🙂 I'm asking a serious question, not suggesting any option. If our votes are compromised or controlled, how can we use them for change or fixing things? Well, the hope is that not all votes are compromised or completely controlled and that we can elect enough people to the House and Senate (state and federal) who are willing to fight these issues, fight corruption and change the laws so that in the future our votes count as they should and cases of blatant incompetence and corruption can be swiftly dealt with.
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Post by ashley on Jun 13, 2019 19:53:57 GMT
I'm not sure whether to sigh, scream, or move to fucking Canada. This motherfucker. Better get your name down quickly. It’s getting harder to get in. I know a well-educated woman who is getting deported. She applied for landed immigrant, bought significant property and is still being deported. Also healthcare and STEM people are needed. There’s not enough jobs for our scientists as it is. Please don’t let us import any more competition!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 20:13:42 GMT
You are reading it wrong.🙂 I'm asking a serious question, not suggesting any option. If our votes are compromised or controlled, how can we use them for change or fixing things? Well, the hope is that not all votes are compromised or completely controlled and that we can elect enough people to the House and Senate (state and federal) who are willing to fight these issues, fight corruption and change the laws so that in the future our votes count as they should and cases of blatant incompetence and corruption can be swiftly dealt with. I didn't see the OP as a "these issues" type of question, as that would be partisan, and she allowed that depending on who does the vote-controlling, it could be in favor of someone from either political side. So my question is still, if a foreign entity has the money and power to control our votes, how do our votes matter?
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 13, 2019 20:32:30 GMT
Better get your name down quickly. It’s getting harder to get in. I know a well-educated woman who is getting deported. She applied for landed immigrant, bought significant property and is still being deported. Also healthcare and STEM people are needed. There’s not enough jobs for our scientists as it is. Please don’t let us import any more competition! We are short all medical personnel in BC! We need doctors and nurses and anyone we can get. Especially doctors.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 13, 2019 20:38:52 GMT
Well, the hope is that not all votes are compromised or completely controlled and that we can elect enough people to the House and Senate (state and federal) who are willing to fight these issues, fight corruption and change the laws so that in the future our votes count as they should and cases of blatant incompetence and corruption can be swiftly dealt with. I didn't see the OP as a "these issues" type of question, as that would be partisan, and she allowed that depending on who does the vote-controlling, it could be in favor of someone from either political side. So my question is still, if a foreign entity has the money and power to control our votes, how do our votes matter? I took the OP as a vent and a sarcastic “if you can’t beat them join/choose them.” I didn’t get the impression she is actually planning on laying down and handing control over to puppet masters. And I thought it was a very partisan post. Well, at least it was an anti-Trump, anti-corruption post. Trump has indicated he’s open to oppo research but that doesn’t mean the next President/candidate will be. You said “in this case” and keep using the word control, and at this point it has only been proven as influence or maybe partially control our votes. They don’t have complete control so right now, while we can, I think it is even more important to vote in people who can address the issues. And I brought in the specific issues because I think they are similar and relevant. There is known gerrymandering, does that mean we should stop voting? No, it means we need to work harder, get more people to vote to elect the party that will put a stop to it before the divide is too difficult to overcome. Now, if you’re referring to a future when we really have have no control over the votes, then I think we would be at an even bigger crossroads, maybe to the point of revolution. So in that case, I don’t know if I’d vote just to know I did or not. But we aren’t there yet.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 13, 2019 21:38:09 GMT
I don’t think I understand the question. It seems like you’re suggesting not voting as a possible option, rather than fixing what is wrong with the system and fighting corruption. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong. You are reading it wrong.🙂 I'm asking a serious question, not suggesting any option. If our votes are compromised or controlled, how can we use them for change or fixing things? I think it depends on how the elections are compromised. Are other countries literally changing votes after they go into the machines, or are they interfering in ways that Russia did in 2016, such as influencing news stories, creating division, etc? IMO, the main issue is that there are too many people who have willingly succumbed to the fake news outlets. But the idea that votes would be tampered with is a scary one, and it doesn't sound like the GOP is interested in reducing the risk.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 21:38:17 GMT
Uncle. OP was being sarcastic, we still own our votes, I will continue voting with the confidence that my vote both counts and matters.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 14, 2019 0:19:29 GMT
Are our lives and livelihoods not worth fighting for anymore? Surely, anyone can see how compromised, self serving and corrupt this potus is actively and aggressively working in his own interests and not the interests of the majority of the American people. Voting is a privileged right to those who are eligible. Right now, this administration/GOP is actively -and a-okay with it—promoting and seeking gerrymandering, voter suppression, and foreign interference. If those of us who are sick and tired to this crap don’t stand up and fight for us, who will? Not this administration/GOP, that’s for certain. See above response to dewryce -- regardless of whatever any of us are wanting to change or fix or fight, if our votes are not our own, how can they do that? Start holding those responsible who are actively suppressing the vote. McConnell won’t.
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