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Post by librarylady on Jun 18, 2019 22:21:36 GMT
Do legal immigrants have to carry their permission papers at all times? I wondered because the raids on businesses always show people being arrested on the spot. Using profiling--would a legal Spanish speaking American possibly get caught up because he/she is not carrying a birth certificate at all times?
I don't want a bunch of rants about who is here legally or illegally--I'm just wondering how ICE can quickly decide who to put on the bus and move to the detention center?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 22:25:53 GMT
I would think the employer would have that documentation in their possession (as part of the hiring process) and if they can't produce it, then the person may be taken in? Not entirely sure. I know that even when DS was hired (and he was born here), he had to provide certain documents. I don't know whether the employer photocopied those documents or not.
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Post by busy on Jun 18, 2019 22:30:30 GMT
Do legal immigrants have to carry their permission papers at all times? I wondered because the raids on businesses always show people being arrested on the spot. Using profiling--would a legal Spanish speaking American possibly get caught up because he/she is not carrying a birth certificate at all times? I don't want a bunch of rants about who is here legally or illegally--I'm just wondering how ICE can quickly decide who to put on the bus and move to the detention center? Well, that would be racist as hell. Have you ever been asked for your birth certificate besides when starting a new job, getting a passport/license, etc? No, immigrants are not required to carry proof of legal residency on them at all times. ETA: Well, crap, I’m wrong. I don’t know where I “learned” it but I have believed for basically my adult life that immigrants are not required to carry their green cards (or other authorization). In fact, I’ve always believed it was advised against, like not carrying a Social Security card.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 18, 2019 22:32:19 GMT
if you are legal permanent resident, i believe you are required to have your green card on you at all times. as a US citizen, i guess a copy of your passport, passport card, or BC would suffice.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 18, 2019 22:36:07 GMT
Do legal immigrants have to carry their permission papers at all times? I wondered because the raids on businesses always show people being arrested on the spot. Using profiling--would a legal Spanish speaking American possibly get caught up because he/she is not carrying a birth certificate at all times? I don't want a bunch of rants about who is here legally or illegally--I'm just wondering how ICE can quickly decide who to put on the bus and move to the detention center? Well, that would be racist as hell. Have you ever been asked for your birth certificate besides when starting a new job, getting a passport/license, etc? No, immigrants are not required to carry proof of legal residency on them at all times. I agree that requiring those papers at all times is not right. I think of Nazi's and "show me your papers."
But, in our area, about a month ago a business was raided and about 50 computer programmer types were arrested. ---I had a long driving trip and as my mind wandered around, I wondered how the ICE agents knew who to put on the bus and who did not have to go. That is what prompted the question.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 18, 2019 22:41:27 GMT
if you are legal permanent resident, i believe you are required to have your green card on you at all times. as a US citizen, i guess a copy of your passport, passport card, or BC would suffice. I do NOT carry any of those things!!
** Locally, father took kid to school, mom went off to work......... Father came home, ICE took him away. House was trashed by someone. Papers were gone.. NO documents for father ..... GONE!! No answers for the family!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 18, 2019 22:44:41 GMT
I accidentally deleted my reply.
Permanent residents are legally required to carry their green card with them if age 18 or older. The Immigration and Nationality Act (§264(e)) states that all permanent residents must have “at all times” official evidence of permanent resident status. A photocopy is not acceptable. If found guilty of this misdemeanor, the penalty set by law is a fine of up to $100 and up to 30 days in jail.
US Citizens do not need to provide ID unless they are driving or drinking I believe is the way it goes. This might be different for different states. But ID is not required.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 18, 2019 22:50:30 GMT
No, immigrants are not required to carry proof of legal residency on them at all times. Until I became a US citizen I certainly did carry proof of legal residency everywhere I went. I never even ran to the store without identification on me. I am always amazed how many people leave their homes without identification on them. I still don't.
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Post by pyccku on Jun 18, 2019 22:51:48 GMT
I accidentally deleted my reply. Permanent residents are legally required to carry their green card with them if age 18 or older. The Immigration and Nationality Act (§264(e)) states that all permanent residents must have “at all times” official evidence of permanent resident status. A photocopy is not acceptable. If found guilty of this misdemeanor, the penalty set by law is a fine of up to $100 and up to 30 days in jail. US Citizens do not need to provide ID unless they are driving or drinking I believe is the way it goes. This might be different for different states. But ID is not required.This is something that always makes me nervous. My MIL and FIL are both citizens. They have very thick accents. They no longer work, but if there had ever been a raid on the places they did work, they would have been taken into custody.
DH is also a naturalized citizen. He carries his driver's license but all it takes is some ICE agent who wants to overreach and decide that it isn't proof of citizenship and he could get taken into custody as well.
And people are fine with this sort of thing because "no biggie, they'll just show their papers when they get to the courthouse." That's assuming that they are allowed to make a phone call and are given the rights they are entitled to in the US. And there are plenty of people who think that those rights shouldn't be given to anyone who 'might' be here illegally.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 18, 2019 22:52:32 GMT
---I had a long driving trip and as my mind wandered around, I wondered how the ICE agents knew who to put on the bus and who did not have to go. That is what prompted the question. I would imagine that by the time it reached the point of an organized raid the authorities pretty much had everyone already vetted. They probably knew who was who before they ever went in there.
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Post by StephDRebel on Jun 18, 2019 23:00:55 GMT
Yes, there is a very real chance of getting caught up if you're brown and dont have verification with you and of a legal citizen who doesnt have a green card being arrested.
It happened a few times when I was working with a Hispanic population directly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 23:12:34 GMT
Do legal immigrants have to carry their permission papers at all times? I wondered because the raids on businesses always show people being arrested on the spot. Using profiling--would a legal Spanish speaking American possibly get caught up because he/she is not carrying a birth certificate at all times? I don't want a bunch of rants about who is here legally or illegally--I'm just wondering how ICE can quickly decide who to put on the bus and move to the detention center? In the US, when taking a job, your employer is supposed to take documents from 2 or 3 different lists of acceptable documents. You can see the three lists here: www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents. The employer should make copies and keep in their HR files on EVERY EMPLOYEE. The employee does not have to carry the documents daily. Businesses are subject to being audited for compliance. If audited, failure to have all documents in order will then cause a raid on your business. Those with all the required documents in your files will be left alone. Those with incomplete employment files or what appears to be fraudulent files are subject to being picked up. Even then there is normally a detention period while a brief investigation is done. Who they will contact depends on what you say is your right to work or your right to enter the US. For example, if someone enters the US on a student visa the ICE agents will contact that school to determine if you are still a full time student with a valid I-20 or if it has been terminated. They aren't going to ask the student to provide that, they contact the immigration office of the school. If the student is in good standing with us as a school and with the SEVIS program they likely will let the student go with a warning about working off campus. Or if we transferred the student to another school we will tell them where the next school was so ICE can contact them. But if we tell ICE the student's documents were terminated the former student will be deported. I am not sure who they talk to for other types of visas but every visa has a paper trail that follows it.
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Post by garcia5050 on Jun 18, 2019 23:14:59 GMT
My mom was a resident alien for many years before becoming a citizen. She was paranoid about having her paperwork with her. And this is WAY before the Trump years. I remember her purse once got stolen, and within 2 days, we were lined up at 5 a.m. at some office downtown (embassyY?) (I went with her everywhere - mostly for translating. I was about 6 at the time.) So yes, I would think that especially now, carrying documents is of vital importance.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jun 19, 2019 0:44:23 GMT
To be hired you must show an original SS card not a copy. To get a SS number you have to be lawfully here in the US. So if your boss did not follow the law and hired you without seeing and copying your SS car, then you are liable to be deported.
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Post by Linda on Jun 19, 2019 1:01:56 GMT
some years ago (in the mid-90s), I lived in Arizona and worked at a chain fast food place. I was the only employee who didn't speak Spanish - some were bilingual, some weren't. INS raided us one day just before lunch and took several employees into custody. They questioned me quite extensively and I was getting increasingly concerned that I was next - I kept telling them that I was a citizen by birth and they kept asking for my green card. They finally called a supervisor who confirmed that it was possible to be born overseas and BE a citizen by birth. I'm not 'brown' but I do have an obvious accent so it was clear I wasn't born/raised in the States. However not being 'brown' probably enable me to convince them not to take me into custody. o be hired you must show an original SS card not a copy. To get a SS number you have to be lawfully here in the US. So if your boss did not follow the law and hired you without seeing and copying your SS car, then you are liable to be deported. Many times, those who aren't legally able to work in the States have false documents which enable them to meet the I-9 requirements on the surface. If they are hired without meeting the I-9 requirements (which do NOT actually require a SS card - you can show a US passport or green card and meet both the right to work AND ID requirement) then the company is in violation and can be fined.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 19, 2019 1:07:06 GMT
In Japan I did at all times. It was a card that said I was legal and could work. I am not sure it had my visa status on it. All Gaijin had to carry them.
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Post by ntsf on Jun 19, 2019 2:16:26 GMT
there have been us citizens who have been deported to mexico...
the agents have way too much power..
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