Ivanka at the G20 Summit

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Hey if you want to call me out with the word no one completely ignoring the OP - whatever.  The entire OP is offensive.  And yes I am more than entitled to point out that very, very few took issue with it in their quest to jump on the Ivanka is an idiot bandwagon.


I'll post my final thoughts and let you all carry on. I've spent my entire adult life working in predominantly male fields.  I've dealt with it and even thrived and would have said I learned long ago to ignore the bullshit.  A few weeks ago my daughter's team won a hacking competition and there was a little blurb about them in the local paper including a picture. I made the mistake of reading the comments.  Barbie was just one of the comments directed at my extremely intelligent - but yes blonde and attractive daughter. The multitude of assumptions about her based on her appearance pisses me off.  I guess I'd naively thought we'd made some progress in how we judge and yes criticize other women. But we haven't and it makes me alternate between sad and really, really mad. 

In a handful of months, the general public will be taking a look at the Democratic field which includes several women. I'd say don't be surprised at the language people use choose to criticize them  - we've demonstrated over and over again as a society that even women will turn a blind eye and don't be surprised when large segments of the population will dismiss them out of hand.    


     

So embarrassing! They (Trumps) have just zero self awareness.

Which was addressed in the very next post which a lot of peas agreed with/liked. And I will personally admit to not recognizing misogynistic language as easily as I do racist language, I think that it is because it has come to the forefront more recently. Truthfully, I sometimes find myself saying something that people have been saying for ages and then literally gasp when I realize what it actually means/implies.

My problem isn’t with her being a woman, it’s that she is not the First Lady and she is often inserted into situations and takes on roles where she doesn’t belong. And she would have a larger role if allowed. This is not a one or two time thing. I definitely have the same issue with her husband, even more so actually because it seems he is more involved with policy.

eta: Did we do the Miss Piggy memes here? I do remember a few comments about SHS looks, but many of us shot that down when it happened. I agree that these things about SHS and Ivanka are all over the internet and are disgusting, but I haven’t personally noticed much of it here.

But again, I wouldn’t recognize the comments as easily as I would racist comments. That’s not to say I don’t care, just that I haven’t been as aware of it for nearly as long a time and I suspect I’m not the only one. IME, as a society we have been aware of racist attitudes/comments for a lot longer than the more veiled misogynistic comments so I would think that they are much more easily recognized and the expectations much higher, if that makes sense. My fibromyalgia is acting up so I can’t think of my words but I guess what I’m trying to say is that, to me, detecting/avoiding racist language is like a skill/rule we learned in High School. We’ve been doing it a long time so expectations are higher, consequences more severe when not done well or the rule is broken. Again, for me, recognizing some misogynistic attitudes/language is more an on the job training skill/rule we learned much more recently. Still not okay to be broken, but when done so, a little more grace is appropriate when pointing that out. Especially when done so for the first time. I think, were the OP a repeat offender or she came back or someone argued that her comments weren’t misogynistic, this would have gone down a lot differently.

While some, but not all take their spouses to the G20 summit they do not " but" in on conversations or attend meetings between world leaders.,economists and representatives of businesses . They are there for the social gatherings such as receptions and dinners put on by the host country, which is where Michelle Obama was, at a reception given by the Queen on behalf of the host country and had little to do with the "business" side of the summit held here.

I have not seen Sophie Trudeau,Brigitte Macron or Phillip May  or anyone else's wife/husband/partner taking the same stance as Ivanka has in that video. If, as you point out, Ivanka is standing in for Melania why didn't she join the other wives and Phillip May for the planned programme laid out for them while the leaders were attending to global issues?

I do not have a problem with wives holding her husband’s diplomatic place...AT ALL.  But you are leaving out the integral part of what those of us have commented on.  All of these women you list above, journeyed with their husbands throughout their career.  Undoubtedly they have received training and direction on the diplomatic mine fields that they went through.  Ivanka DID not!  Now the Barbie references are complete bullshit.  Dumb she is NOT!  

Please point out out where in any of our posts that myself or other peas are being misogynistic.  It is her lack of experience that we are speaking to.  I would feel THE SAME way if it were a MAN!

I think she is referring to the comments right in the OP.  Not the article, but the words that the OP used in describing her response to the article.  I think a lot of people read the article and didn't even remember what she wrote with it.

Oh my word, that was super cringy. WTH is she even doing there???

She was giving some kind of keynote at a special event, and there as part of Trump's delegation.

The thing is, she shouldn't be an adviser in the first place. She's unqualified. Highly unqualified. But, then so is he, so here we are. And shit's about to get real in Iran. 

Fuck.

Yeah, it is awful that what she was able to do was ensure that children in this country had healthcare, even if their parents didn’t have and/or couldn’t afford private coverage.  <sarcasm>

but, thank you for proving that I didn’t fabricate that memory, since people are *still* griping about it 18+ years later. LOL!  

You can google her comments. They were irrelevant to the conversation at that time.

Best comment I've seen so far..."She's like a little kid who's trying to get on the adult table at the Thanksgiving dinner" Twitter: Juha Keskinen

So, so painfully true.