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Post by librarylady on Jun 30, 2019 19:09:37 GMT
reading the comments is pretty good on this one.
Interesting that Macron's government put the video out.
Grifter Barbie.......Nepotism Barbie --made me smile.
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Post by Merge on Jun 30, 2019 19:17:18 GMT
I don’t agree with the specifically misogynist comments and nicknames, but I totally agree that Ivanka being involved in any kid of diplomatic affair is ridiculous. No one in that family of grifters is qualified to discuss policy on the world stage.
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Post by trollie on Jun 30, 2019 19:18:40 GMT
Gross
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 30, 2019 19:29:08 GMT
Have you seen this one?
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 30, 2019 19:33:13 GMT
Now let's just imagine for a moment if Chelsea Clinton had inserted herself on the political stage during President Clinton's administration.
What? Not cool?
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Post by quinlove on Jun 30, 2019 19:35:12 GMT
Trump is intentionally doing irreparable damage to the USA on all levels. We must vote him out.
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Post by DEX on Jun 30, 2019 19:42:06 GMT
Frankly, it wouldn’t matter if this were a child of a Democrat or Republican. No other world leader has ever done anything remotely like this. Again, I am embarrassed for our country.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 30, 2019 19:46:54 GMT
18 months ladies. 18 months!
Then we can try and put things back together again, though I don't think anything, including our relationships with allied countries, will ever get back to the “pre-Trump” era.
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Post by quinlove on Jun 30, 2019 19:52:41 GMT
18 months ladies. 18 months! Then we can try and put things back together again, though I don't think anything, including our relationships with allied countries, will ever get back to the “pre-Trump” era. Agree. This isn’t funny or amusing any more. It’s horrible in every possible way. We must all ban together behind the Democrats in 2020 and stop this. We might not be able to fix all of it, but we can get him out. We must.
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Post by peasapie on Jun 30, 2019 19:55:02 GMT
I've been trying to decide how I feel about this. Did he bring Melania? Most first ladies do some diplomatic work. Is Ivanka replacing Melania for this?
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Post by elaine on Jun 30, 2019 19:57:13 GMT
Now let's just imagine for a moment if Chelsea Clinton had inserted herself on the political stage during President Clinton's administration. What? Not cool? I remember quite a bit of uproar about Hillary being involved on the political stage (with healthcare) and she was a lawyer and professionally qualified to participate.
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Post by annabella on Jun 30, 2019 20:02:48 GMT
I don’t understand what’s wrong with the cover of the Japan Times? The African diplomat is dancing with Angela Merkel, the newspaper chose a photo where everyone wasn’t ready. Trump might be pointing at the Saudi, but let’s be real under republicans they are the ruling country in the world and do not report to us. What is the hidden meaning they are trying to say here?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 30, 2019 20:22:19 GMT
18 months ladies. 18 months! Then we can try and put things back together again, though I don't think anything, including our relationships with allied countries, will ever get back to the “pre-Trump” era. I think (hope) that if Trump is not re-elected, and the next President is competent, we can get back to where we were. If he is re-elected, I have much less hope for the country.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 30, 2019 20:35:55 GMT
I've been trying to decide how I feel about this. Did he bring Melania? Most first ladies do some diplomatic work. Is Ivanka replacing Melania for this? Spouses typically go to the G20 - it's where Michelle Obama was heavily criticized for "hugging" the Queen - which was ridiculous - but we do love to tear our women down, don't we. You can see a bunch of pictures of the current G20 summit including spouses. It's been abundantly clear for some time that Ivanka is filling the role of first lady instead of Melania - for whatever reason. It's not the first time a child has stood in as first lady, although this situation is exacerbated by the fact that there is an actual, current, living wife. I do wonder why women are so quick to jump into misogynistic language about other women. It doesn't look good whatever your political persuasion. I find the Trumps rather easy to criticize on their merits - or lack thereof.
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Post by DEX on Jun 30, 2019 20:45:54 GMT
It is also one thing for wives or husbands to go to dinners at the G20 and quite another to try to insert yourself into these events. Ivanka is not in any way, shape or form a world leader in spite of trying to play one on the world stage.
It isn’t because she is a woman either. I feel equally disgusted by Jared Kushner and his ill advised efforts to bring about peace in the Middle East. smh 🤦♀️
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 20:52:09 GMT
I've been trying to decide how I feel about this. Did he bring Melania? Most first ladies do some diplomatic work. Is Ivanka replacing Melania for this? Spouses typically go to the G20 - it's where Michelle Obama was heavily criticized for "hugging" the Queen - which was ridiculous - but we do love to tear our women down, don't we. You can see a bunch of pictures of the current G20 summit including spouses. It's been abundantly clear for some time that Ivanka is filling the role of first lady instead of Melania - for whatever reason. It's not the first time a child has stood in as first lady, although this situation is exacerbated by the fact that there is an actual, current, living wife. I do wonder why women are so quick to jump into misogynistic language about other women. It doesn't look good whatever your political persuasion. I find the Trumps rather easy to criticize on their merits - or lack thereof. I am pretty sure that the criticism from the Peas is not misogynistic in nature. I am not impressed myself with her insertion into the politics at this level because what experience does she have. There are so many diplomatic nuances at this level that should be adhered to. It is quite different than a boardroom. If you were needing laser eye surgery, would you be comfortable if a podiatrist came in at the last minute to do your surgery? It isn't just the perception of Americans themselves, but the whole world that is watching. I would feel the same damn way about any President or Administration whether it was an "R" or "D". Seriously....it makes America look like a freaking joke. Would you feel the same way if Posh Spice showed up to diss it with Macron and May?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 30, 2019 20:53:24 GMT
First ladies have often played a minor role in diplomatic affairs. I hate to post this as it will just bring out the Hillary Clinton haters, but it's the best actual documentation of a first lady's role on the international scene - both on trips with her husband and solo. It outlines the 82 international trips that Hillary Clinton took as first lady and the meetings she had with foreign heads of states. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/dec/01/Hillary-travel-first-lady/I was going to say she was at the far end of the spectrum on first lady trips - as she was pretty heavily criticized for them at times. But a quick search of the "quieter" Laura Bush shows she visit 75 countries during GWB's presidency. Perhaps it was more that the press was quieter: www.nafsa.org/2018/2/20/laura-bush/Now again - I'm not posting to suggest that I'd like to see Ivanka Trump embark on international diplomacy. It's more to give perspective of the role family has ALWAYS played during a presidency.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 30, 2019 20:57:17 GMT
Spouses typically go to the G20 - it's where Michelle Obama was heavily criticized for "hugging" the Queen - which was ridiculous - but we do love to tear our women down, don't we. You can see a bunch of pictures of the current G20 summit including spouses. It's been abundantly clear for some time that Ivanka is filling the role of first lady instead of Melania - for whatever reason. It's not the first time a child has stood in as first lady, although this situation is exacerbated by the fact that there is an actual, current, living wife. I do wonder why women are so quick to jump into misogynistic language about other women. It doesn't look good whatever your political persuasion. I find the Trumps rather easy to criticize on their merits - or lack thereof. I am pretty sure that the criticism from the Peas is not misogynistic in nature. I am not impressed myself with her insertion into the politics at this level because what experience does she have. There are so many diplomatic nuances at this level that should be adhered to. It is quite different than a boardroom. If you were needing laser eye surgery, would you be comfortable if a podiatrist came in at the last minute to do your surgery? It isn't just the perception of Americans themselves, but the whole world that is watching. I would feel the same damn way about any President or Administration whether it was an "R" or "D". Seriously....it makes America look like a freaking joke. Would you feel the same way if Posh Spice showed up to diss it with Macron and May? Of course it's misogynistic in nature. Many are just choosing to turn a blind eye to the inherent misogynistic language. Next time some one is frustrated with an individual and uses similarly racist language - I'll await your assurance that they're not actual racist.
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Post by DEX on Jun 30, 2019 21:07:49 GMT
Please show me another documented instance where a president’s daughter has taken on such a leadership spotlight. I, personally don’t care how many times a President’s wife attends world events. Not comparable at all.
I personally find it incredibly self centered for her to think she has anything to offer. She has zero diplomatic experience other than negotiating with Chinese importers for her shoe line.
ETA Also, Jared is no expert on the Middle East just because he is Jewish either.
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Post by Merge on Jun 30, 2019 21:11:54 GMT
I am pretty sure that the criticism from the Peas is not misogynistic in nature. I am not impressed myself with her insertion into the politics at this level because what experience does she have. There are so many diplomatic nuances at this level that should be adhered to. It is quite different than a boardroom. If you were needing laser eye surgery, would you be comfortable if a podiatrist came in at the last minute to do your surgery? It isn't just the perception of Americans themselves, but the whole world that is watching. I would feel the same damn way about any President or Administration whether it was an "R" or "D". Seriously....it makes America look like a freaking joke. Would you feel the same way if Posh Spice showed up to diss it with Macron and May? Of course it's misogynistic in nature. Many are just choosing to turn a blind eye to the inherent misogynistic language. Next time some one is frustrated with an individual and uses similarly racist language - I'll await your assurance that they're not actual racist. The “nepotism Barbie” stuff is misogynistic, I agree. Doubting her ability to contribute anything of substance is not. Similar doubts are voiced about her husband and indeed her father all the time.
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 30, 2019 21:18:53 GMT
I’ve always had a problem with the nepotism in that administration. None of the Trump children are professionally qualified for the administration positions they hold.
That said, it’s enough to take issue with that, without demeaning anything else about her. The Barbie part rubs me the wrong way.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 30, 2019 21:21:27 GMT
Of course it's misogynistic in nature. Many are just choosing to turn a blind eye to the inherent misogynistic language. Next time some one is frustrated with an individual and uses similarly racist language - I'll await your assurance that they're not actual racist. The “nepotism Barbie” stuff is misogynistic, I agree. Doubting her ability to contribute anything of substance is not. Similar doubts are voiced about her husband and indeed her father all the time. Of course people can question her substance or lack there of - she's chosen/agreed to join the fray. I made the mistake of actually opening the tweet and reading the OP - and I disagree strongly that there's anything to smile about - and would have liked to see more acknowledgement that we can question her qualifications and her skill in these situations without resorting to misogynistic language. It was the same bullshit with Sarah Huckabee Sanders - no one could mention a press conference before the Miss Piggy memes begin. I'm frankly sick of it.
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Post by DEX on Jun 30, 2019 21:32:49 GMT
Darcy Collins not one person in this thread said anything misogynistic about her. The majority commented on her lack of experience. Don’t chastise us. Your comments would be better served directed at the French Government, who released the video.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 30, 2019 21:36:30 GMT
Now let's just imagine for a moment if Chelsea Clinton had inserted herself on the political stage during President Clinton's administration. What? Not cool? And she has a doctorate in International relations. Ivanka has a Bachelor’s in selling plastic purses.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 30, 2019 21:43:00 GMT
Darcy Collins not one person in this thread said anything misogynistic about her. The majority commented on her lack of experience. Don’t chastise us. Your comments would be better served directed at the French Government, who released the video. Ummm - clearly you didn't read the OP - or don't know recognize misogynistic language - perhaps I can add some commentary about your lack of reading skills that also tie into your appearance to help you understand. I would never expect an OP that used blatant racist language to garner likes and subsequent commentary without calling out the OP. But yet again our tolerance for sexism is way higher than racism in our world.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 30, 2019 21:50:32 GMT
Now let's just imagine for a moment if Chelsea Clinton had inserted herself on the political stage during President Clinton's administration. What? Not cool? And she has a doctorate in International relations. Ivanka has a Bachelor’s in selling plastic purses. Chelsea Clinton was a teenager during her father's presidency.
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Post by trollie on Jun 30, 2019 21:51:24 GMT
I've been trying to decide how I feel about this. Did he bring Melania? Most first ladies do some diplomatic work. Is Ivanka replacing Melania for this? Spouses typically go to the G20 - it's where Michelle Obama was heavily criticized for "hugging" the Queen - which was ridiculous - but we do love to tear our women down, don't we. You can see a bunch of pictures of the current G20 summit including spouses. It's been abundantly clear for some time that Ivanka is filling the role of first lady instead of Melania - for whatever reason. It's not the first time a child has stood in as first lady, although this situation is exacerbated by the fact that there is an actual, current, living wife. I do wonder why women are so quick to jump into misogynistic language about other women. It doesn't look good whatever your political persuasion. I find the Trumps rather easy to criticize on their merits - or lack thereof. I do not see misogynistic posts on this thread. My "gross" is for the sheer negligence of this administration in every aspect of their governance. Honestly, I think gross is a gross understatement. Carry on!
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Post by trollie on Jun 30, 2019 21:52:50 GMT
And she has a doctorate in International relations. Ivanka has a Bachelor’s in selling plastic purses. Chelsea Clinton was a teenager during her father's presidency. An adult if Hillary would have won
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 30, 2019 21:53:43 GMT
And she has a doctorate in International relations. Ivanka has a Bachelor’s in selling plastic purses. Chelsea Clinton was a teenager during her father's presidency. Pardon, I was imagining an alternate timeline to this fucking hellmouth in which the President Clinton mentioned was not Bill, but Hillary. Go off, though.
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Post by DEX on Jun 30, 2019 22:03:40 GMT
So, now it is personal shots? Totally unnecessary. Come on, Darcy you are better than that. I didn’t take personal shots at you at least that was not my intent. Sorry if I sounded that way. I am not responsible for other people’s posts here or on Twitter.
I went to the twitter page and read the comments. I saw quite a few posters who feel like you do. There are also quite a few people on this thread who don’t appreciate the sexist comments either.
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