StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Jul 2, 2019 1:32:39 GMT
Today was the first day we have been outside with the dogs while the neighbors dogs were also out and it was a disaster. They have 6 dogs that I've seen and they go out in groups of two. Group 1 is 2 Huskies, a bulldog and a mix of some sort (also big) group 2 is an aggressive shepherd and another mix. They are usually in the house but they are let out for 45 mins or so, always unsupervised and with no warning. I introduced myself, asked if she could work with me to introduce them and she put up a privacy fence on the other side of the chain link. I thought it was awesome and then realized its because she isnt interested in training at all. Every time she them out today they immediately growled, barked, dug, and tried to jump over the fence. My dogs went nuts trying to protect from whatever was trying to come over the fence and I ended up rounding them up and going inside with mine (they dont go out alone) I intend to use the yard all year long so they're going to have to figure out how to not be assholes. Today it got this far before I got on my hands and knees next to it, growled and told it to pipe the fuck down. It went to the other side of the yard for a few minutes. My biggest concern is one of them coming over/ under the fence and attacking my old blind dog before I can get to it. Any tips? What can I do? Anything I can put between the fences as a deterrent? High powered water hose when they cross boundaries? Cayenne? Stun gun? (Kidding, kind of) Hit me with your best ideas. I intend to make them our best friends. If she won't train them, I will. Happen to have experience training through a fence? This is how far they dug in two potty breaks.  |
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Post by darkangel090260 on Jul 2, 2019 1:36:44 GMT
animal control.
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StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Jul 2, 2019 1:36:47 GMT
Also, I talked to her through the fence today and said "hey just so you know they are pretty close to getting through by digging under"
She said "yeah, they will definitely dig under and come over there."
Then, they started growling at me and I couldn't hear anything else.
All I can think is 'over your dogs dead body they will" but I did yoga today and I was feeling zen 😆
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jul 2, 2019 1:37:39 GMT
Wow, this is a horrible situation and that is a lot of digging in a short period of time. I imagine this just works your dogs up as well. I'm sorry I don't have any suggestions but you have my sympathy. We don't have dogs but our neighbors on 3 sides do and it is hard to deal with naughty dog behavior that isn't managed by their owners.
ETA: And may I say, and this won't be popular with dog lovers, but 6 dogs to one household in a regular neighborhood like you live in now (small to medium size homes on small to medium size lots) is WAY too many. That is a recipe for problems right there.
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Post by amom23 on Jul 2, 2019 1:41:04 GMT
No advice other than to make sure she is authorized by your town to have 6 dogs. I know where I live you sure can't.
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StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Jul 2, 2019 1:41:51 GMT
I left them a message today. Hoping to talk to them tomorrow |
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Post by christine58 on Jul 2, 2019 1:42:53 GMT
I agree with animal control! I'd also find out if the city/town you're in has a limit to how many dogs she can have. If those dogs came into my yard and were aggressive---the police would be called.
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Post by used2scrap on Jul 2, 2019 1:44:34 GMT
Gah that really sucks. Is there some type of chicken wire or something that can be layed at the ground level so they can’t dig? What about one of the dog deterrent clickers that emits a sound they dislike but that requires you to be out clicking every time they try to breech the fence.
I’m not proud but as a very young adult I once used pickle brine to stop an aggressive dog charging our fence.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 2, 2019 1:48:58 GMT
That is not okay. How much room between the chain and the privacy fence?
I don't know if this is a good idea or not or if it would work, but when we would take our dog on a walk there were two dogs who were always out and would bark their heads off at us. Now, I don't think they were/are aggressive, but rather just like to bark and they have shitty owners who ignore them and leave them outside all day no matter the temperature.
Anyway, we started taking treats with us. When we would start coming up on their yard, we'd say, "Hi Max" (that's his name) and the other one we don't know its name so we just say hi and then we throw them a treat. They no longer bark at us and Max waits eagerly for his treat, while lady (her made up name) kind of cute growls while waiting and while eating.
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Post by delila on Jul 2, 2019 2:01:01 GMT
This exact same scenario happened to me many years ago & the family didn’t want to take responsibility for their aggressive dog & keep him in his yard. He dug under his fence & got into my open garage & bit me when I went in there to leave. When I called them them to let them know I had to have stitches all they said was that I should watch where I walk! I told them then it was on like Donkey Kong! I took them to court to make sure that the dog was always secured & I won. He isn’t allowed out unless supervised, like a criminal.
Funny, his name is Tucker but I called him Fucker. When I was sitting in the witness chair I called him Fucker & the judge laughed & asked them why they would name him that & my answer was because he is a Fucker!!! My son was there mouthing to me “kill, kill, kill mum,,,his name is Tucker.
In your situation I’d purchase some Bear Spray . I used it on Tucker Fucker and needless to say it hurt. I don’t want to hurt any animals or humans but I will protect myself as necessary.
delila
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Post by Merge on Jul 2, 2019 2:01:29 GMT
Barking through the fence, annoying but normal (and they should readily respond to their owner calling them off). Digging under your fence, not OK and not normal. I'm not sure what to tell you. Our heeler would come absolutely unhinged if the neighbor dogs started digging under her fence!
Can you have a frank conversation with the owner and troubleshoot together? Mention that one of your dogs is crazy (true or not, doesn't matter) and that her dogs coming over would end badly for everyone, so you're eager to help her think up a solution. I've seen people put chicken wire down along the perimeter, flat to the ground, to prevent dogs from digging. It doesn't really show because the blades of grass grow up through it. Might be something to try but it would have to be done on her side of the fence.
On your side of the fence, a more expensive solution would be to install some kind of low barrier at the fence line that actually sinks into the ground several inches to prevent the dogs from digging through. But it doesn't seem you should have to do that.
We cured our dogs of digging, when they were young, by putting their own poop in the holes they dug. That worked remarkably well. You might suggest that to her as well.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 2, 2019 2:02:25 GMT
Is this your new house? How did she get a fence up so quickly?
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Post by jemmls4 on Jul 2, 2019 2:02:49 GMT
That is not okay. How much room between the chain and the privacy fence? I don't know if this is a good idea or not or if it would work, but when we would take our dog on a walk there were two dogs who were always out and would bark their heads off at us. Now, I don't think they were/are aggressive, but rather just like to bark and they have shitty owners who ignore them and leave them outside all day no matter the temperature. Anyway, we started taking treats with us. When we would start coming up on their yard, we'd say, "Hi Max" (that's his name) and the other one we don't know its name so we just say hi and then we throw them a treat. They no longer bark at us and Max waits eagerly for his treat, while lady (her made up name) kind of cute growls while waiting and while eating. Do you live in IL? Because I have a dog named Max and my daughter’s little dog comes and stays during the day sometimes. Both are rescues...Max barks his head off. Penny is scared of everything and after 18 months I just heard her bark last week. Guess Max is a bad influence. Sometimes I sit outside, it I think that makes Max’s barking worse. He decide I am his person and he follows me and protects me everywhere I go. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 2, 2019 2:03:37 GMT
That is not okay. How much room between the chain and the privacy fence? I don't know if this is a good idea or not or if it would work, but when we would take our dog on a walk there were two dogs who were always out and would bark their heads off at us. Now, I don't think they were/are aggressive, but rather just like to bark and they have shitty owners who ignore them and leave them outside all day no matter the temperature. Anyway, we started taking treats with us. When we would start coming up on their yard, we'd say, "Hi Max" (that's his name) and the other one we don't know its name so we just say hi and then we throw them a treat. They no longer bark at us and Max waits eagerly for his treat, while lady (her made up name) kind of cute growls while waiting and while eating. That's a good idea. I'm going to try that with the known fence barkers on our walking route. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 2, 2019 2:08:35 GMT
That is not okay. How much room between the chain and the privacy fence? I don't know if this is a good idea or not or if it would work, but when we would take our dog on a walk there were two dogs who were always out and would bark their heads off at us. Now, I don't think they were/are aggressive, but rather just like to bark and they have shitty owners who ignore them and leave them outside all day no matter the temperature. Anyway, we started taking treats with us. When we would start coming up on their yard, we'd say, "Hi Max" (that's his name) and the other one we don't know its name so we just say hi and then we throw them a treat. They no longer bark at us and Max waits eagerly for his treat, while lady (her made up name) kind of cute growls while waiting and while eating. Do you live in IL? Because I have a dog named Max and my daughter’s little dog comes and stays during the day sometimes. Both are rescues...Max barks his head off. Penny is scared of everything and after 18 months I just heard her bark last week. Guess Max is a bad influence. Sometimes I sit outside, it I think that makes Max’s barking worse. He decide I am his person and he follows me and protects me everywhere I go. lol, no. Rural Colorado. Although, if it was you, I'd totally offer to take the dogs. We don't need them, but I feel so bad for them. There is very little human interaction that goes on. Max is a golden retriever and lady/Ewok is a cocker spaniel |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 2:11:06 GMT
We have two dogs behind us. They do not seem to be trained. We had a dog that dug so we put chicken wire down that was stapled to the fence and partially buried past the fence when we installed our privacy fence years ago. She hit it once and stopped digging there. Anyways, these dogs also dig, not to get at our dog because she passed away a couple of years ago, but just to get at us, the stray cat, our cat, who knows? One of them busted through the chicken wire. DH had a bag of concrete mix that had gotten wet and turned into a bag of rock instead of powder. He busted it up some, poured it into the hole, and then put a 4x4 piece of wood over it. The next rainfall turned the busted concrete into something more solid but still in pieces. The dogs have not dug at the fence since.
4x4's did the trick. To ensure they do not move, DH drilled some holes in them and pounded rebar through them and into the ground. Not pretty but it keeps the dogs away.
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Post by alexa11 on Jul 2, 2019 2:28:42 GMT
Call animal control soon. My neighbors have a fence with 2 dogs- well 1 now. A couple of dogs from down the street - a pit and a mutt dug under and the pit killed my neighbor's Husky. Actually both dogs attacked him, but the pit ripped his neck open. They attacked the other dog, too and messed up his ear but he survived. They have been up here before running along fence and barking, but this time they got under. Don't take any chances. It was awful.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 2, 2019 2:55:28 GMT
I know this doesn't help at all, but why do people get dogs if they don't train them and take care of them? Six is too many if you let them act like pack animals. I would probably keep pepper spray/bear spray in the back yard. We had an aggressive dog next door that started to bust through our wooden fence. I called the owner of the house who was renting it. He said the renters didn't have a dog. Oy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 2:59:59 GMT
Imagine that you have a toddler that likes to play outside. And your neighbor says, yeah they will dig through & get in your yard.
I’d be making sure those dogs can’t get through to your yard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 3:11:45 GMT
Hum
Don’t feed them. Bad idea, it makes you look like you are the one trying to get at the dogs.
And don’t spray them with pepper spray or anything it else. My dog never forgot what mailman sprayed her. In her own yard , when she was on a chain. He walked close enough to spray her for no reason other than her wanted to get the first strike!
Dig down and put in chicken wire. And then put rock along her fence. I would put the hottest chili powder I could find under those rocks.
Document and call animal control.
Btw , I never watched my dog when she was in the backyard. I find that odd that people expect dog owners to do that.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 2, 2019 3:17:27 GMT
Hum Don’t feed them. Bad idea, it makes you look like you are the one trying to get at the dogs. And don’t spray them with pepper spray or anything it else. My dog never forgot what mailman sprayed her. In her own yard , when she was on a chain. He walked close enough to spray her for no reason other than her wanted to get the first strike! Dig down and put in chicken wire. And then put rock along her fence. I would put the hottest chili powder I could find under those rocks. Document and call animal control. Btw , I never watched my dog when she was in the backyard. I find that odd that people expect dog owners to do that. This is for when the dog actually makes it into your yard to attack your pups and not to attack dogs in their own yard. We also watch our dogs in our yard most of the time. We have too many big creatures that can easily jump our 6 foot fence. |
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Post by used2scrap on Jul 2, 2019 3:23:49 GMT
We have to watch our dog in the backyard because he is an abused rescue anxious escape artist. And if he was violently barking at the fence and digging I’d be watching him like a hawk too.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 2, 2019 3:25:24 GMT
Btw , I never watched my dog when she was in the backyard. I don't watch my dog either. There is a privacy fence and neither my dog nor my cat has ever tried to go under or over. The dog behind us has never tried either. |
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Post by snyder on Jul 2, 2019 3:31:27 GMT
Wow, this is a horrible situation and that is a lot of digging in a short period of time. I imagine this just works your dogs up as well. I'm sorry I don't have any suggestions but you have my sympathy. We don't have dogs but our neighbors on 3 sides do and it is hard to deal with naughty dog behavior that isn't managed by their owners.
ETA: And may I say, and this won't be popular with dog lovers, but 6 dogs to one household in a regular neighborhood like you live in now (small to medium size homes on small to medium size lots) is WAY too many. That is a recipe for problems right there. I do believe it is against the law to have that many dogs as well. Most counties allow 3-4, but not 6!
Another not so popular idea is an electrical wire along the edge of the property line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 7:42:22 GMT
Can you put up a block wall on that side?
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StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Jul 2, 2019 10:21:26 GMT
I dont expect her to supervise at all times, i do, but right now because I have to. I build my work breaks around them but I don't think I should have to.
I do expect that she would have a reasonable number of dogs and that she would make a reasonable effort to make sure they were stable and sensible before leaving them unattended.
I researched some last night and found that if they aren't registered they can be removed without warning and there may be a limit on how many you can have.
I keep trying to reach out and be solution driven but she doesnt seem bothered at all by it.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 2, 2019 10:32:22 GMT
Hum Don’t feed them. Bad idea, it makes you look like you are the one trying to get at the dogs. And don’t spray them with pepper spray or anything it else. My dog never forgot what mailman sprayed her. In her own yard , when she was on a chain. He walked close enough to spray her for no reason other than her wanted to get the first strike! Dig down and put in chicken wire. And then put rock along her fence. I would put the hottest chili powder I could find under those rocks. Document and call animal control. Btw , I never watched my dog when she was in the backyard. I find that odd that people expect dog owners to do that. a dog can getvits chain caught and suffocate. You won’t be able to help if your not out there to see it. |
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Post by shescrafty on Jul 2, 2019 10:55:04 GMT
A quick thing that might get the neighbor to stop the digging is to start putting all of your animals’ poop at the dig spot. That way when they try and dig will get all poopy and maybe the neighbors will take notice and watch what they are doing. Maybe add some cayenne pepper to it as well to deter them.
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Post by tracyarts on Jul 2, 2019 11:15:44 GMT
This is a big problem in my town. People stick big aggressive untrained dogs in back yards, leave them unsupervised, and sometimes they dig under fences and go after people and other pets. Even coming inside other houses through pet doors and screen doors. Local law enforcement advises to call animal control but be prepared to shoot the escaped/invading dogs to protect people and innocent pets from attack. Attacks have happened. When innocent neighbor pets have been mauled to death on their own property, local authorities issued a slap on the wrist fine to the killer dogs owners and ordered them to keep the killer dogs in chain link kennels (cages) while outside unsupervised. Well, they dig out of the cages too. Nobody takes it seriously. The prevailing attitude is just shoot the things if they pose an immediate threat, because the owners aren't going to be responsible and control them and local ordinances only go so far.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 2, 2019 11:22:47 GMT
Btw , I never watched my dog when she was in the backyard. I find that odd that people expect dog owners to do that. I do because she's as fast as the wind and will chase a bird out into the 40 acres! We have fox and coyote in them so I do keep an eye on her. |
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