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Post by lucyg on Jul 3, 2019 21:53:55 GMT
What exactly do the Democrats want to do to solve this massive problem? Long term, not short term. Yes, I know the short term answer is to let in anyone that claims asylum. Then what? We can expect 1000's of people coming into this country every month for the next 10 - 20 years. Housing? Transportation? Health insurance? Auto insurance? Education? Where is the $ going to come from to provide these services? Are we just going to let them join the ranks of the already homeless Americans? I see plenty of homeless in my travels through Austin. So in a few years, I guess I can expect to see more homeless, possibly with children. Housing in Austin is getting expensive. I truly have no idea how the immigrants manage to live in California. I'm curious if anyone cares to enlighten me. Excatly the same way past generations of immigrants have made it here. They work, they pay taxes (yes, they do), they make sacrifices to provide for their families. They are not entitled to benefits and we are not supporting them. We are, however, providing the jobs, which is what draws them here in the first place. Those grotty jobs we can never seem to get the locals to fill when immigration tightens up. ETA oh, never mind. You were talking about asylum seekers. I don’t know much about the asylum system. But I can promise you, those asylum seekers are the same as the rest of the immigrants ... they will earn their keep here. Immigration makes this country richer, not poorer. I suppose there are a few gang-bangers and criminals among them, but most just want a job and a safe place to live.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 3, 2019 21:57:30 GMT
There is absolutely nothing in my post that isn't true. Rewatch statements from top democrats, and those running for president, listen for yourselves. But you won't. Telling people to STFU because you don't want to hear the truth allows you to keep your heads buried in the sand. In the meantime, Corey Booker is vowing to eliminate immigration detention, Castro and Warren want to decriminalize illegal border crossings, they ALL want to provide healthcare for those here illegally, sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, and the list goes on. The democrats are making these outrageous promises while they were denying there was a crisis in the first place. The crisis is all trump.
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Post by Merge on Jul 4, 2019 2:21:41 GMT
What exactly do the Democrats want to do to solve this massive problem? Long term, not short term. Yes, I know the short term answer is to let in anyone that claims asylum. Then what? We can expect 1000's of people coming into this country every month for the next 10 - 20 years. Housing? Transportation? Health insurance? Auto insurance? Education? Where is the $ going to come from to provide these services? Are we just going to let them join the ranks of the already homeless Americans? I see plenty of homeless in my travels through Austin. So in a few years, I guess I can expect to see more homeless, possibly with children. Housing in Austin is getting expensive. I truly have no idea how the immigrants manage to live in California. I'm curious if anyone cares to enlighten me. Excatly the same way past generations of immigrants have made it here. They work, they pay taxes (yes, they do), they make sacrifices to provide for their families. They are not entitled to benefits and we are not supporting them. We are, however, providing the jobs, which is what draws them here in the first place. Those grotty jobs we can never seem to get the locals to fill when immigration tightens up. ETA oh, never mind. You were talking about asylum seekers. I don’t know much about the asylum system. But I can promise you, those asylum seekers are the same as the rest of the immigrants ... they will earn their keep here. Immigration makes this country richer, not poorer. I suppose there are a few gang-bangers and criminals among them, but most just want a job and a safe place to live. There are many non-profit groups all over the country dedicated to resettling refugees and helping them find jobs. Is it going to be an enormous undertaking for them to manage this with all these refugees? Of course. But as the U.S. is in large part responsible, through poor foreign policy choices, for the crisis in Central America that has driven these people from their homes, it seems the least we can do. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/19/central-america-migrants-us-foreign-policyWe used to have a national refugee resettlement program, but Trump essentially shut it down shortly after taking office. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/26/trump-refugees-us-resettlement-programFor anyone who is interested in reading a well-thought-out policy plan for both the short and long term, Julian Castro has a great one on his campaign website. issues.juliancastro.com/people-first-immigration/
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Post by lucyg on Jul 4, 2019 4:35:34 GMT
Excatly the same way past generations of immigrants have made it here. They work, they pay taxes (yes, they do), they make sacrifices to provide for their families. They are not entitled to benefits and we are not supporting them. We are, however, providing the jobs, which is what draws them here in the first place. Those grotty jobs we can never seem to get the locals to fill when immigration tightens up. ETA oh, never mind. You were talking about asylum seekers. I don’t know much about the asylum system. But I can promise you, those asylum seekers are the same as the rest of the immigrants ... they will earn their keep here. Immigration makes this country richer, not poorer. I suppose there are a few gang-bangers and criminals among them, but most just want a job and a safe place to live. There are many non-profit groups all over the country dedicated to resettling refugees and helping them find jobs. Is it going to be an enormous undertaking for them to manage this with all these refugees? Of course. But as the U.S. is in large part responsible, through poor foreign policy choices, for the crisis in Central America that has driven these people from their homes, it seems the least we can do. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/19/central-america-migrants-us-foreign-policyWe used to have a national refugee resettlement program, but Trump essentially shut it down shortly after taking office. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/26/trump-refugees-us-resettlement-programFor anyone who is interested in reading a well-thought-out policy plan for both the short and long term, Julian Castro has a great one on his campaign website. issues.juliancastro.com/people-first-immigration/Thank you. Very helpful information.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 14:14:01 GMT
Opinion piece in The NY Times by Charles M Blow...
“It’s the Cruelty, Stupid”
“Donald Trump continues to remind us that he does not care about the pain and hardships of racial minorities.
There are tanks in the nation’s capital and concentration camps on its border. The slide of this nation into a nearly unrecognizable state continues unabated. Donald Trump is recreating America in his own image: an abominable one.
He brags about trading valentines with the ruthless North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, saying at a political rally in September:
“I was really being tough. And so was he. And we’d go back and forth. And then we fell in love, O.K.? No, really. He wrote me beautiful letters. And they’re great letters. We fell in love. But you know what? Now they’ll say: ‘Donald Trump said they fell in love. How horrible. How horrible is that? So unpresidential.’”
According to Human Rights Watch, North Korea under Kim not only “restricts all civil and political liberties, including freedom of expression, assembly, association and religion,” it systematically extracts “forced, unpaid labor from its citizens,” and “women in North Korea suffer a range of sexual and gender-based abuses” that include “rape and other sexual violence and torture in detention facilities, sexual exploitation, or forced marriage of North Korean women in China, and sexual and gender-based violence and discrimination.”
And this says nothing of the hundreds of people Kim is thought to have had executed since coming to power in 2011.
And this is the man that the president of the United States brags about being in love with.
Last month Trump joked with Russia’s Vladimir Putin about getting “rid of journalists.”
According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, 28 journalists have been killed in Russia since Putin took office in 2000.
Last week in Osaka, Japan, Trump said of the Saudi crown prince: “It’s an honor to be with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, a friend of mine, a man who has really done things in the last five years in terms of opening up Saudi Arabia.”
Let’s be clear: That friend is believed to have ordered the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi. And, murder may in fact be too antiseptic a word. Turkish officials claim that after Khashoggi was killed, his body was hacked up with a bone saw, then disposed of.
Not only has Trump never delivered a full-throated condemnation of the Saudi leader, he plans to reward the kingdom with more arms sales unless Congress is able to stop him.
Why does the American president have such an affinity, a fetish even, for the world’s dictators while at the same time spurning many of America’s traditional allies? And how does this turn to the darkness reposition this country in the annals of history?
I believe that it speaks to a blindness, or more precisely, an indifference to cruelty. This also crops up in domestic policy, where the indifference is particularly acute when those who suffer are somehow other: black or brown, female or trans, Muslim or migrant.
How else could this administration have executed for so long its zero-tolerance approach to family separation of immigrants and asylum seekers? I don’t believe in open borders, but I do believe in humane borders. I do not believe that a parent seeking asylum — which is still legal in this country, it bears repeating — should have a child ripped from his or her arms. I don’t believe that people — including children — should be caged like animals and deprived of basic human necessities and basic human dignity.
What is happening at our border is unconscionable, a violation of basic human rights, a complete moral violation. And yet the president on Thursday will make a mockery of the country’s freedom celebration by turning it into a muscle-flexing political pep rally.
Trump will likely spend millions on his vanity spectacle just weeks after his administration argued in court that immigrant children didn’t need to be provided soap and toothbrushes.
Stop thinking that this is only about partisanship or polarization. It’s the cruelty, stupid. It has always been about cruelty: racial cruelty, gender cruelty, religious cruelty. It has always been about bending the rest of America, the rest of reality, really, into subordination to the white supremacist patriarchy.
If the emerging culture of the world has to be put under boot for the established culture to maintain power, so be it. This is the white supremacist mantra; this is the Trump message.
Trump cares nothing about the suffering of racial minorities here — other than to increase the pain — nor does he care about the suffering of nonwhite people abroad.
There is a through line in Trump behavior, and it runs directly through his perception of white cultural dominance.
There, I said it. And I’m going to continue to say it.
I know that this may read as redundant. I worry about as much every time I begin to write. But I also know that history is sitting in judgment, that when this dark era draws to a close, an accounting must be made, a record made. None of us will be immune.
The questions will come without room for equivocation or adjustment: Where were you when the bodies floated in the Rio Grande? What did you say when this president bragged about assaulting women and defended men accused of doing the same? What was your reaction when he saw very good people among the Nazis? Where was your outrage when thousands died in Puerto Rico?
What did you do? What did you say? And for others in my profession, what did you write?
I plan to say, or have my work say, that I never faltered, that it never became normal to me, that my heart bled as well as my pen.
What will you say?”
I will add that trump doesn’t care for poor white Americans either....
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