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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 13:09:54 GMT
Whatever you think about immigration and migrants seeking asylum and those who come across our borders illegally this is just plain wrong. And as a country we should be ashamed.
From the Boston Globe...
“Immigrant detention centers are ‘betrayal of our values,’ says Kennedy”
“Representative Joseph Kennedy III called for stricter oversight of federal detention centers along the US border with Mexico on Monday after seeing some of the facilities first-hand during a tour with fellow lawmakers.
Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, described the detention centers as “a betrayal of our values” and said Congress must take a greater role in holding federal officials to account.
“In the United States, we have the opportunity, and I would argue, the responsibility, to do far better,” Kennedy said in a phone interview.
Kennedy was among a delegation of lawmakers who toured border facilities in El Paso and Clint, Texas, on Monday. The group was led by the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and included Massachusetts representatives Ayanna Pressley and Lori Trahan, as well as Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York.
In a visit to Border Patrol Station No. 1 in El Paso, Kennedy said he saw detainees kept in jail-like conditions. He was among the lawmakers who spoke to a group of 13 women from Cuba who had tried to enter the United States to seek asylum, but were detained by federal officials.
Those women began crying when they spoke, he said. They said they had been in detention for several days and had been deprived of access to medicine and showers, Kennedy said.
One woman with epilepsy said that when she was detained, a border official threw her medicine away, Kennedy said.
Their visit followed the approval of $4.6 billion in emergency aid for the US-Mexico border and came as ProPublica published a report describing a private Facebook group where current and former US Customs and Border Protection agents posted graphically violent, sexist, and racist images, including of Ocasio-Cortez and other members of Congress.
In one post, a member made a joke about Óscar Martínez and his 23-month-old daughter, Valeria, whose bodies were photographed after they drowned trying to cross the Rio Grande into the United States.
The Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General is investigating the group, CBP said in a statement posted to Twitter.
Kennedy said the ProPublica report raises questions about the treatment of people being held in detention.
“If officials are going to do this hours or days before members of Congress come down for an in-person visit, what does that mean [for] a vulnerable refugee migrant [who] is trying to claim asylum at our border?” Kennedy said. “How are they going to be treated?”
Kennedy, who has called for the House of Representatives to begin impeachment proceedings against President Trump, said Trump “has, at every turn, tried to make this harder and more painful.”
The country must do more to provide for the basic needs of people who come to the US and provide them with legal assistance and other services, he said.
“Are we actually willing to do what is necessary to overhaul this system so that it is reflective of our values, our people, and the people who are seeking asylum?” he said. “That’s what we should be doing.”
Border Patrol officials told visiting lawmakers that detainees had access to food and medicine but were only allowed to take showers every few days, he said.
“It is not being operated as a way to care for individuals [who] are seeking asylum,” Kennedy said. “It is being treated as a law enforcement activity to arrest, detain, and then process people.”
Trahan said she was horrified at the treatment of children in detention.
“The children at these detention centers will have suffered significant harm and trauma after being in these facilities for months at a time,” Trahan wrote on Twitter.
At a news conference Monday, Pressley called for an immigration system that keeps families together.
“I learned a long time ago that when change happens, it’s either because people see the light, or they feel the fire,” Pressley said. “Today we are lifting up these stories in the hopes that you will see the light, and if you don’t, we will bring the fire.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 13:21:09 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Rep. Norma Torres: "What was more upsetting to me was the lack of respect for human life, the lack of regard, the humanity of these children has been stripped away from them. The callous way in which these officers have shown themselves to be within a private Facebook page."
#MAGA!
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Post by wellway on Jul 2, 2019 13:21:55 GMT
US officials are investigating a secret Facebook group where border patrol members allegedly posted racist and sexist jokes about migrants. The private group had about 9,500 members, including former and current border patrol agents, ProPublica reported. Some posts mocked migrant deaths, while others targeted Latino members of Congress, ProPublica said. The Border Patrol chief has called the posts "completely inappropriate". "Any employees found to have violated our standards of conduct will be held accountable," Carla Provost said. More in link www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48834824Hugs
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 13:24:38 GMT
linkNewsweek... “FORMER CBP AGENT DOESN'T THINK AGENCY WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT '10-15' FACEBOOK GROUP AS INVESTIGATION IS OPENED”
#MAGA!
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Post by trollie on Jul 2, 2019 13:30:25 GMT
Grotesque and unamerican. There are also reports that they will move some of the migrants, including children down to GITMO. When I was watching the news last night, there were over 100 people in some cells that were meant for 35 people. Only one toilet and sink and no room to sit down. Inhumane conditions, no doubt. There is also rampant sickness: measles, flu, lice and other outbreaks. Seeking asylum is not illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 14:37:24 GMT
The Facebook page has been going for 3 years according to this report link There's similar one for current and past LEO's. I can't find the words to describe how I feel after reading some of quotes in the report. There doesn't seem to be words adequate enough at the disgust that I'm feeling.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 2, 2019 15:14:53 GMT
Leaders of foreign countries:
Please come investigate the United States of America for crimes against humanity.
We the people have no control of our government.
The checks and balances that should have stopped our president, have not.
Please step in for humanity's sake.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 2, 2019 15:27:45 GMT
Leaders of foreign countries: Please come investigate the United States of America for crimes against humanity. We the people have no control of our government. The checks and balances that should have stopped our president, have not. Please step in for humanity's sake. If only.....
I will say this again. dt is making these kids/migrants into 'bad dudes' who will hate us forever.....
ETA: I forgot the rest............ there are 535 members of the House and Senate..... How many of them have visited the border and holding facilities? 50, maybe? 100?? More, doubtful!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 17:24:21 GMT
Leaders of foreign countries: Please come investigate the United States of America for crimes against humanity. We the people have no control of our government. The checks and balances that should have stopped our president, have not. Please step in for humanity's sake. If only.....
I will say this again. dt is making these kids/migrants into 'bad dudes' who will hate us forever.....
ETA: I forgot the rest............ there are 535 members of the House and Senate..... How many of them have visited the border and holding facilities? 50, maybe? 100?? More, doubtful!!
Don't know about hating all of you but they sure as hell going to have some serious psychological problems all their lives. Even third world countries generally protect their children. I can't understand why the UN hasn't intervened here, it's about time they did.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 2, 2019 17:28:28 GMT
Leaders of foreign countries: Please come investigate the United States of America for crimes against humanity. We the people have no control of our government. The checks and balances that should have stopped our president, have not. Please step in for humanity's sake. ^^^ this. sadly, I think THIS is the only thing that can help us now. or we really DO have to try and organize a *real* revolt.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 2, 2019 17:40:03 GMT
Seeking asylum is not illegal. tell my sister that I’ve told her several times but she just doesn’t get it.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 2, 2019 17:41:18 GMT
Seeking asylum is not illegal. tell my sister that I’ve told her several times but she just doesn’t get it. neither does my DH.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 2, 2019 18:33:38 GMT
Curious, is there a way for citizens to trigger the U.N. To investigate the USA?
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Post by inkedup on Jul 2, 2019 18:52:55 GMT
tell my sister that I’ve told her several times but she just doesn’t get it. neither does my DH. Mine doesn't get it, either. His family did it "the right way", though neither of the illiterate great grandparents who came here would qualify now.
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Post by gar on Jul 2, 2019 19:03:22 GMT
If only.....
I will say this again. dt is making these kids/migrants into 'bad dudes' who will hate us forever.....
ETA: I forgot the rest............ there are 535 members of the House and Senate..... How many of them have visited the border and holding facilities? 50, maybe? 100?? More, doubtful!!
Don't know about hating all of you but they sure as hell going to have some serious psychological problems all their lives. Even third world countries generally protect their children. I can't understand why the UN hasn't intervened here, it's about time they did. What would it take for this to happen, I actually don’t know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 19:16:19 GMT
Mine doesn't get it, either. His family did it "the right way", though neither of the illiterate great grandparents who came here would qualify now. Not just you but for crimsoncat05 amd hop2 aswell....do they not know that claiming asylum is different from immigration? Asylum seekers have international laws/rules that govern their cases. Immigration laws/rules are made by individual countries. There has to be genuine asylum seekers at that border and they are not being allowed their rights under international law. They've lumped them all under immigration/illegal immigrants.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 2, 2019 19:19:12 GMT
Mine doesn't get it, either. His family did it "the right way", though neither of the illiterate great grandparents who came here would qualify now. Not just you but for crimsoncat05 amd hop2 aswell....do they not know that claiming asylum is different from immigration? Asylum seekers have international laws/rules that govern their cases. Immigration laws/rules are made by individual countries. There has to be genuine asylum seekers at that border and they are not being allowed their rights under international law. They've lumped them all under immigration/illegal immigrants. My husband knows but believes that the vast majority of these people are not honestly seeking asylum. These people have been so effectively villified that anything that counters the "bad hombres" narrative is discounted as fake news.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 2, 2019 19:21:11 GMT
or we really DO have to try and organize a *real* revolt. At the moment his base has guns.........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 19:29:24 GMT
Don't know about hating all of you but they sure as hell going to have some serious psychological problems all their lives. Even third world countries generally protect their children. I can't understand why the UN hasn't intervened here, it's about time they did. What would it take for this to happen, I actually don’t know. I don't know to be honest but this can't be allowed to carry on. Good grief they're in a worse position now than the danger they faced in the countries they left. I have no problem with any country having sensible immigration laws but good grief they're treating these children worse than they would treat animals. Now they're talking about sending them to Guantanamo Bay.....sending children to a prison that adults have been incarcerated without trial for years and is famous for its human rights violation?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 2, 2019 19:59:29 GMT
Not just you but for crimsoncat05 amd hop2 aswell....do they not know that claiming asylum is different from immigration? Asylum seekers have international laws/rules that govern their cases. Immigration laws/rules are made by individual countries. There has to be genuine asylum seekers at that border and they are not being allowed their rights under international law. They've lumped them all under immigration/illegal immigrants. My husband knows but believes that the vast majority of these people are not honestly seeking asylum.
These people have been so effectively villified that anything that counters the "bad hombres" narrative is discounted as fake news. the text that I bolded-- exactly the same for my DH. He believes that most of the people are just *saying* they're asylum-seekers, and that they'll disappear once they hit the border. He's been so brainwashed by the Fox machine's 'they're taking our jobs' BS that he wouldn't recognize a real fact if it hit him smack in the forehead.
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Post by ntsf on Jul 2, 2019 20:02:12 GMT
in another note.. I just heard that the forecast for washington dc. may be rain and lightning for the 4th.. it would be lovely if it all got washed out..
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Post by sunshine on Jul 2, 2019 20:03:30 GMT
The democrats, and their left wing propaganda mouthpieces in the media, denied there were caravans heading to the US with thousands of people.
Next they denied there was a crisis.
They then said it was a manufactured crisis.
Now they say it's a humanitarian crisis.
The US has been averaging roughly 100,000 apprehensions a month at our borders yet the democrats wouldn't even vote to increase beds for the migrants because they wanted the cap to be 300. Now, some of the most praised new democrats, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Anyanna Pressley, voted against the emergency border funding.
Yes, maybe a UN intervention is needed, to see why in the hell the democrats were trying to sell this "crisis" as fake while at the same time denying relief.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jul 2, 2019 20:12:36 GMT
The democrats, and their left wing propaganda mouthpieces in the media, denied there were caravans heading to the US with thousands of people.
Next they denied there was a crisis.
They then said it was a manufactured crisis.
Now they say it's a humanitarian crisis.
The US has been averaging roughly 100,000 apprehensions a month at our borders yet the democrats wouldn't even vote to increase beds for the migrants because they wanted the cap to be 300. Now, some of the most praised new democrats, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Anyanna Pressley, voted against the emergency border funding.
Yes, maybe a UN intervention is needed, to see why in the hell the democrats were trying to sell this "crisis" as fake while at the same time denying relief.
Look, I’m fully aware your simply a bot functioning here as a means to dilute reality. So I’ll just call it out and move on.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 2, 2019 20:12:40 GMT
I *knew* I shouldn't have clicked the 'display post' button for that bunch of BS... STFU. (please-- )
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Post by sunshine on Jul 2, 2019 20:25:54 GMT
There is absolutely nothing in my post that isn't true. Rewatch statements from top democrats, and those running for president, listen for yourselves.
But you won't.
Telling people to STFU because you don't want to hear the truth allows you to keep your heads buried in the sand.
In the meantime, Corey Booker is vowing to eliminate immigration detention, Castro and Warren want to decriminalize illegal border crossings, they ALL want to provide healthcare for those here illegally, sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, and the list goes on.
The democrats are making these outrageous promises while they were denying there was a crisis in the first place.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 2, 2019 21:22:57 GMT
Mine doesn't get it, either. His family did it "the right way", though neither of the illiterate great grandparents who came here would qualify now. Not just you but for crimsoncat05 amd hop2 aswell....do they not know that claiming asylum is different from immigration? Asylum seekers have international laws/rules that govern their cases. Immigration laws/rules are made by individual countries. There has to be genuine asylum seekers at that border and they are not being allowed their rights under international law. They've lumped them all under immigration/illegal immigrants. no she seems to have had the kool aid. Facts don’t matter. She’s all “my ancestors came here legally blah blah blah” ( which might not be true if family lore is correct ) But what can I expect when the POTUS says asylum seekers are illegal immigrants.
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Post by PLurker on Jul 2, 2019 22:29:05 GMT
Mine doesn't get it, either. His family did it "the right way", though neither of the illiterate great grandparents who came here would qualify now. Sorry, but "the right way my ass." I swear humans are just a selfish bunch. Once they got theirs screw those coming behind them. We "came here" first by invading and taking forcefully taking over a land and went from there. "Rules" were only made as we went along trying to basically stop people from doing what was done before them. It's like people moving into the rural/country or new subdivision. Often the present locals want no part of them/no change. Then once established the "new people" say the same when someone else wants to move in or build more houses there. Now they don't want change and "no more people!". And so on and so on. Not in my backyard to the max. Then there's the excuses to absolve themselves. They always start with "but, but, but..."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 19:58:04 GMT
This man is such an asshole..
trump...
”Our Border Patrol people are not hospital workers, doctors or nurses. The Democrats bad Immigration Laws, which could be easily fixed, are the problem. Great job by Border Patrol, above and beyond. Many of these illegals aliens are living far better now than where they.....”
“.....came from, and in far safer conditions. No matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, the Democrat visitors will act shocked & aghast at how terrible things are. Just Pols. If they really want to fix them, change the Immigration Laws and Loopholes. So easy to do!”
”Now, if you really want to fix the Crisis at the Southern Border, both humanitarian and otherwise, tell migrants not to come into our country unless they are willing to do so legally, and hopefully through a system based on Merit. This way we have no problems at all!”
I don’t like using the word hate against other people, but I’m really starting to hate this man.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 3, 2019 20:18:30 GMT
This man is such an asshole.. trump... ”Our Border Patrol people are not hospital workers, doctors or nurses. The Democrats bad Immigration Laws, which could be easily fixed, are the problem. Great job by Border Patrol, above and beyond. Many of these illegals aliens are living far better now than where they.....” “.....came from, and in far safer conditions. No matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, the Democrat visitors will act shocked & aghast at how terrible things are. Just Pols. If they really want to fix them, change the Immigration Laws and Loopholes. So easy to do!””Now, if you really want to fix the Crisis at the Southern Border, both humanitarian and otherwise, tell migrants not to come into our country unless they are willing to do so legally, and hopefully through a system based on Merit. This way we have no problems at all!” I don’t like using the word hate against other people, but I’m really starting to hate this man. If it is so easy I will ask again why the Republicans didn’t do it when they had control of the House, Senate and Presidency? I hate him for what he is doing to this country, and I hate the GOP for allowing and even encouraging it.
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Post by Merge on Jul 3, 2019 21:17:28 GMT
This man is such an asshole.. trump... ”Our Border Patrol people are not hospital workers, doctors or nurses. The Democrats bad Immigration Laws, which could be easily fixed, are the problem. Great job by Border Patrol, above and beyond. Many of these illegals aliens are living far better now than where they.....” “.....came from, and in far safer conditions. No matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, the Democrat visitors will act shocked & aghast at how terrible things are. Just Pols. If they really want to fix them, change the Immigration Laws and Loopholes. So easy to do!””Now, if you really want to fix the Crisis at the Southern Border, both humanitarian and otherwise, tell migrants not to come into our country unless they are willing to do so legally, and hopefully through a system based on Merit. This way we have no problems at all!” I don’t like using the word hate against other people, but I’m really starting to hate this man. If it is so easy I will ask again why the Republicans didn’t do it when they had control of the House, Senate and Presidency? I hate him for what he is doing to this country, and I hate the GOP for allowing and even encouraging it. I think we should go to a merit-based system of retaining citizenship and start kicking out corrupt idiots like Trump. One hardworking migrant is worth ten of him. Can we vote him and his family off the island, so to speak? Let’s exile him to Elba like Napoleon.
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