freebird
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Post by freebird on Jul 2, 2019 21:25:26 GMT
If they had found and successfully removed pre-cancerous spots off of your husband's face? The moles I keep insisting he gets checked are all ok. His Bio father died of cancer but I'm not sure what kind.
He is otherwise in very healthy condition (thanks to his nagging wife lol)
ETA: The policy is in addition to our full medical which covers everything. I should have clarified that! This is "extra" money to live on. Only reason we've thought of cancelling it is because it's kind of expensive, and we have full medical now which would cover every single penny. The aflac policy would only give some extra living expenses. If he went to get it again, he would have to be cancer free for 3 or 5 years if I remember right. He didn't have to take any physical to get it.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jul 2, 2019 21:28:40 GMT
no - there are many kinds of cancer and if you live long enough you will die of cancer. Health insurance is so iffy anymore that you can't count on it to pay everything that is needed.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jul 2, 2019 21:31:04 GMT
If they had found and successfully removed pre-cancerous spots off of your husband's face? The moles I keep insisting he gets checked are all ok. His Bio father died of cancer but I'm not sure what kind.
He is otherwise in very healthy condition (thanks to his nagging wife lol)
No. There will probably be more spots over the years, and the next ones you might not catch in the pre-cancer phase. Glad you are diligent for him.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 2, 2019 21:34:55 GMT
Why would you want to cancel it?
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Post by katybee on Jul 2, 2019 21:36:02 GMT
My “very healthy” and fairly young (late 30’s when he was diagnosed) brother got kidney cancer. He’s been battling it for almost a decade now. It has wiped him out financially. They now live disability check to disability check. Why would you want to stop it? Cancer is not a one and done type of thing....
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 2, 2019 21:41:52 GMT
Absolutely not.
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Post by sharlag on Jul 2, 2019 21:43:38 GMT
No! There will be more. That's how sun damage manifests-- a spot here, a bump there...
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Post by mimima on Jul 2, 2019 21:44:20 GMT
Once I had the policy, I would not cancel ever.
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 2, 2019 21:44:27 GMT
Does this cancer policy only cover skin cancer? Because if that’s the case I can understand this line of thinking.
But there are SO MANY types of cancer, and they can strike with little to no warning. I know so many people who are battling cancer right now (real life people not including our sweet peas here). Purposefully forgoing insurance specifically designed for paying for cancer treatments seems very unwise in this age.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 21:50:52 GMT
This is a policy in addition to your health coverage? I guess it would depend on what added benefits it offers. If the premium is close to or more than the cost of my maximum annual health insurance deductible, then I would consider canceling it.
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Post by DEX on Jul 2, 2019 21:55:02 GMT
no - there are many kinds of cancer and if you live long enough you will die of cancer. Health insurance is so iffy anymore that you can't count on it to pay everything that is needed. Heart disease is the #1 cause of death. Check your policy and make sure it covers what you want it to. If you have health insurance you may be getting the same coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 21:57:16 GMT
If they had found and successfully removed pre-cancerous spots off of your husband's face? The moles I keep insisting he gets checked are all ok. His Bio father died of cancer but I'm not sure what kind.
He is otherwise in very healthy condition (thanks to his nagging wife lol)
Developing pre-cancerous spots in the first place means he is more likely to develop more or develop into outright cancer. I don't understand the logic here. Later they may count that spot removal as evidence of a pre-existing condition and he won't be able to get the coverage again.
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Post by papersilly on Jul 2, 2019 22:01:56 GMT
no because secondary cancers could crop up.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Jul 2, 2019 22:09:26 GMT
This is a policy in addition to your health coverage? I guess it would depend on what added benefits it offers. If the premium is close to or more than the cost of my maximum annual health insurance deductible, then I would consider canceling it.
I should have clarified. I updated the OP.
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Post by peaname on Jul 2, 2019 22:09:59 GMT
I would not buy that type of insurance to begin with so if I had it I'd cancel it. I'd save the money I was spending on it into an emergency fund that will cover any type of emergency.
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Post by freebird on Jul 2, 2019 22:12:18 GMT
I would not buy that type of insurance to begin with so if I had it I'd cancel it. I'd save the money I was spending on it into an emergency fund that will cover any type of emergency.
When we got it, we had no insurance at all, it was out of our price range. Our thought was it was better than nothing at all.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 2, 2019 22:18:30 GMT
If they had found and successfully removed pre-cancerous spots off of your husband's face? The moles I keep insisting he gets checked are all ok. His Bio father died of cancer but I'm not sure what kind.
He is otherwise in very healthy condition (thanks to his nagging wife lol)
I would not cancel any coverage, partly concerned that these pre-cancerous spots have created a preexisting condition, making it impossible for him to get coverage when you want it in the future.
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Post by busy on Jul 2, 2019 22:20:37 GMT
It would depend a lot on what your financial reserves look like. Your health insurance covers everything, but many people aren't able to continue working during treatment if they have cancer. IIRC, you own your own business, so what would happen to your income - both short-term and long-term - if he couldn't work for an extended period. Would the payments from AFLAC help you cover everyday expenses if his income was reduced?
I would be inclined to keep it.
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Post by mom on Jul 2, 2019 22:24:20 GMT
Honestly? I would cancel it and just put the money saved into a separate account, earning interest.
1) you have good medical insurance.
2) insurance companies don't stay in business if they are not making money.
3) Dave Ramsey says don't keep it either, if you listen to him.
4) I *would* have long term disability insurance.
I know most will disagree with me. That's ok. DH and I have trusted and lived by Dave's advice and he has yet to steer us wrong.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jul 2, 2019 22:30:21 GMT
Do you have other short and long term disability insurance? If not then definitely keep it.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jul 2, 2019 22:33:38 GMT
Mine costs $9/month and pays for lost income plus a daily amount for days you or your spouse is out of work due to treatment. I kept my policy because of the level of risk we both have which is high.
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Post by busy on Jul 2, 2019 22:35:52 GMT
Honestly? I would cancel it and just put the money saved into a separate account, earning interest. 1) you have good medical insurance. 2) insurance companies don't stay in business if they are not making money. 3) Dave Ramsey says don't keep it either, if you listen to him. 4) I *would* have long term disability insurance. I know most will disagree with me. That's ok. DH and I have trusted and lived by Dave's advice and he has yet to steer us wrong. I'm not a Dave Ramsey fan at all, but this isn't bad advice. However, with self-employment, you really really really need to be confident about how much you have in savings. I don't know how LTD insurance works when you're self-employed, but when you're an employee, you usually only get a certain percentage of your regular wages. Would that be enough to live on? There are often additional lodging, transportation, etc expenses required with cancer because you have to have to travel to specialists if you're not in a major metro area. Can you cover those? Lost spousal wages because of caretaking? And when you own your own business, and have to take an extended period off, there is no guarantee your business will get back to where it was. Customers find alternative and they may not come back. You have to consider your income may never fully recover. There are a LOT of moving parts in a scenario like this.
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Post by elaine on Jul 2, 2019 22:59:52 GMT
Cancer is fucking expensive.
If you have cancer that requires surgery and/or radiation and/or chemotherapy, the amount anyone would save by putting aside the same amount of money spent on insurance premiums into a savings account wouldn’t begin to cover the costs treatment racks up. It is laughable that anyone thinks it is and one reason why there are so many medically-related bankruptcies in the USA.
Only you can run the numbers and decide if your insurance covers enough that a bout of serious cancer wouldn’t send your family into bankruptcy.
I won’t advise one way or the other, but encourage you to research carefully before cancelling, because cancer treatment can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and you want to be clear as to what your other insurance will pay for and what you will be responsible for - not overlooking co-pays, because cancer sometimes involves multiple appointments per week for a number of weeks/months.
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Post by MichyM on Jul 2, 2019 23:11:45 GMT
It drives me (and I know it’s a me thing) just slightly nuts to think that you’ll ask advice of people who have absolutely no idea of your overall financial well being. Do you not have a financial professional who can help? Especially since apparently you also own your own business?
If you don’t, I highly recommend you get one. As you age, those decisions are just going to become more complex.
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Post by elaine on Jul 2, 2019 23:14:48 GMT
Let me just add a real-life example of the co-pay issue.
So, the military doesn’t provide ABA (applied behavioral analysis), but military health insurance will cover it. BUT, you have to get it from a non-military provider - and there is a $30 co-pay for Tricare-approved non-military providers- Tricare being military health insurance.
My son needs ABA, and we started last month. It involves 3-4 sessions per week. We just had our first month and we had to fork over $480 in co-pays. And that will go on for the next year, at least, or until he stops beating the crap out of me...
Even co-pays can be *very* financially taxing depending on how often you need services, what your co-pays are, and what your disposable income is.
I thank heaven that I was able to get my cancer treatment at a Military Treatment Facility - no co-pays for anything I received at Walter Reed. In every book I purchased about breast cancer, there was at least one chapter dedicated to health insurance and billing. The same with breast cancer web sites - pages and pages on insurance and billing. It might be worth it to look around at cancer sites online, in addition to David Ramsey, and see what they have to say/recommend.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jul 2, 2019 23:27:10 GMT
Let me just add a real-life example of the co-pay issue. So, the military doesn’t provide ABA (applied behavioral analysis), but military health insurance will cover it. BUT, you have to get it from a non-military provider - and there is a $30 co-pay for Tricare-approved non-military providers- Tricare being military health insurance. My son needs ABA, and we started last month. It involves 3-4 sessions per week. We just had our first month and we had to fork over $480 in co-pays. And that will go on for the next year, at least, or until he stops beating the crap out of me... Even co-pays can be *very* financially taxing depending on how often you need services, what your co-pays are, and what your disposable income is. I thank heaven that I was able to get my cancer treatment at a Military Treatment Facility - no co-pays for anything I received at Walter Reed. In every book I purchased about breast cancer, there was at least one chapter dedicated to health insurance and billing. The same with breast cancer web sites - pages and pages on insurance and billing. It might be worth it to look around at cancer sites online, in addition to David Ramsey, and see what they have to say/recommend. I wanted to say that I'm so sorry that you know so much about this but really appreciate you sharing your knowledge here for everyone. You're walking a very difficult road and are in my thoughts.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 2, 2019 23:53:16 GMT
Aflac cancer ins is expensive. whether you keep it or not, your choice.. Unrelated to your situation... freebird do not use this as a good reason to keep the Aflac cancer policy, or not............. My friend has retired to Florida, although she is from NJ. Diagnosed with kidney cancer in FL. They wanted to remove her kidney. She called me on a Wed for a urologist, she flew up on Thurs and saw the kidney/cancer surgeon at the Rutgers Cancer Institute of New Jersey on Friday in 2014. (She had contained, within the kidney, chemo) She still has her kidney, but she does fly up every 6 months to a year and the surgeon goes in a checks everything out. She stays with family when she comes up, otherwise Aflac would pay her hotel. They do pay for her flights for treatments, hospital etc. Her Aflac was well worth it. but situation was very unique! You have all heard about the DH of @bergdorfblonde . Medical care in some areas of FL is not so good!
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Post by lucyg on Jul 3, 2019 0:00:29 GMT
I guess I didn’t understand what the insurance was for before, or why you wanted to cancel it. Thanks for the additional info. I’m no financial expert and couldn’t say whether you should keep it or not.
But sometimes the peace of mind insurance gives you is more important than the money you would save by canceling it. So consider that as one more variable in your decision making.
(I’m pretty sure I have more liability insurance than I need. But I would not want to have to worry about losing my house if something went very wrong and I got sued for more than the basic coverage amount.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 0:19:58 GMT
If I'm understanding this correctly it's not a health insurance where it pays for your medical costs for cancer treatment, but its what we call a critical illness insurance policy here in the UK where it pays you an income and or a lump sum if you were diagnosed with cancer or other critical conditions such as a heart attack and strokes at any time during the lifetime of the policy.
If I'm right in thinking this is what you are thinking of cancelling then I would urge you to seriously think very carefully before doing so, especially as your husband is self employed and that he has already been diagnosed and treated for the pre-cancerous mole.
If you cancel it now, it's unlikely that they would re-insure him in the future having already been diagnosed once with pre cancerous cells in the mole. It would be classed as pre-existing and the premiums, if they did agree to insure him, would be so much higher because of the added risk. Unless you have enough put by in savings to live on for an unknown time scale how would you cover, not just your living expenses but the extra expenses that occur when someone has to have treatment for any length of time?
ETA ......Ignore the above, I've just looked at what it covers and no it it isn't the kind of policy I was thinking it was. I would double check that you do have absolutely full medical coverage, including out of pocket expenses, on your health insurance.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jul 3, 2019 0:34:00 GMT
If I'm understanding this correctly it's not a health insurance where it pays for your medical costs for cancer treatment, but its what we call a critical illness insurance policy here in the UK where it pays you an income and or a lump sum if you were diagnosed with cancer or other critical conditions such as a heart attack and strokes at any time during the lifetime of the policy. If I'm right in thinking this is what you are thinking of cancelling then I would urge you to seriously think very carefully before doing so, especially as your husband is self employed and that he has already been diagnosed and treated for the pre-cancerous mole. If you cancel it now, it's unlikely that they would re-insure him in the future having already been diagnosed once with pre cancerous cells in the mole. It would be classed as pre-existing and the premiums, if they did agree to insure him, would be so much higher because of the added risk. Unless you have enough put by in savings to live on for an unknown time scale how would you cover, not just your living expenses but the extra expenses that occur when someone has to have treatment for any length of time? This is a good point, in my intake for my Aflac policy I had to document my screenings because they will exclude new policies for five years after a cancer or pre-cancer diagnosis.
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