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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 3, 2019 16:03:14 GMT
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Post by MichyM on Jul 3, 2019 16:39:59 GMT
Stories like these make me (literally) feel sick. WTH is wrong with people.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 3, 2019 18:39:09 GMT
I made the mistake of reading the article before bed last night and could not get it out of my head. It really bothered me that we are seeing so many cases like this.
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Post by Prenticekid on Jul 3, 2019 19:27:14 GMT
I wonder if he’d feel the same if it was his wife or daughter. This kind of statement never makes sense to me. In fact, I believe that statement is a form of misogyny. I don't need to be or know a black male mowed down by cops to know that police shooting a black man in the back is wrong. I don't need to be or know an abused Catholic or a young boy to know that a priest molesting a young boy is wrong. Why would a judge need to have personal knowledge of a female victim's pain to be able to rule appropriately? Either it is rape or it isn't. The age of the rapist or his future career plans has nothing to do with a finding of guilt or with sentencing. |
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Post by busy on Jul 3, 2019 19:31:23 GMT
I wonder if he’d feel the same if it was his wife or daughter. This kind of statement never makes sense to me. In fact, I believe that statement is a form of misogyny. I don't need to be or know a black male mowed down by cops to know that police shooting a black man in the back is wrong. I don't need to be or know an abused Catholic or a young boy to know that a priest molesting a young boy is wrong. Why would a judge need to have personal knowledge of a female victim's pain to be able to rule appropriately? Either it is rape or it isn't. The age of the rapist or his future career plans has nothing to do with a finding of guilt or with sentencing. Same. Don't get me started on the men who had to have a daughter before realizing the women should have equal opportunities and rights. To me it's self-evident that all humans are equal, regardless of their sex, gender identity, race, ethnicity, or anything else. Why does anyone need to have a personal connection to another group to realize they deserve to be treated with respect? |
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Post by paget on Jul 3, 2019 19:53:55 GMT
That is beyond upsetting. The asshole perp is smarter than the judge because he correctly classified his actions as rape. Disgusting.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 3, 2019 20:01:56 GMT
For those still confused by the concept of rape culture and even offended by use of the term, here is exhibit A. A good boy from a good family . . .
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Post by ddly on Jul 3, 2019 20:12:15 GMT
Horrific! An appeals court rebuked the judge .... "In doing so, the appeals court cleared the way for the case to be moved from family court to a grand jury, where the teenager, identified only as G.M.C. in court documents, will be treated as an adult. New Jersey law allows juveniles as young as 15 to be tried as adults when accused of serious crimes, and the grand jury will weigh whether to indict him on the sexual assault accusation." Thank goodness! What an awful thing. Time for the judge to step down! |
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Post by gar on Jul 3, 2019 21:03:18 GMT
This kind of statement never makes sense to me. In fact, I believe that statement is a form of misogyny. I don't need to be or know a black male mowed down by cops to know that police shooting a black man in the back is wrong. I don't need to be or know an abused Catholic or a young boy to know that a priest molesting a young boy is wrong. Why would a judge need to have personal knowledge of a female victim's pain to be able to rule appropriately? Either it is rape or it isn't. The age of the rapist or his future career plans has nothing to do with a finding of guilt or with sentencing. Same. Don't get me started on the men who had to have a daughter before realizing the women should have equal opportunities and rights. To me it's self-evident that all humans are equal, regardless of their sex, gender identity, race, ethnicity, or anything else. Why does anyone need to have a personal connection to another group to realize they deserve to be treated with respect? They shouldn’t but it appears that sometimes they do. |
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Post by papersilly on Jul 3, 2019 21:45:52 GMT
i was disgusted by this story. how elitist to think that "good families" deserve leniency because, god forbid, their futures be affected by such an event.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 3, 2019 21:47:43 GMT
apparently, this pass is given by female judges as the article noted. Does that lady really not think she suffered physical, mental or emotional problems from the attack. The judge's bias was abhorrent as well. Two different cases, two different judges - one male (the OP) and one female (later case). Unfortunately, women can be misogynistic too - and learned hatred of women from numerous sources. When I was teaching at a military academy, my Dh (also teaching there) and I were always floored by how the female cadets tore each other down in cases of sexual assault, and supported the male assaulters even though all involved were fellow cadets. My MIL is exactly like that—always tearing the women down. She did it at my FIL’s funeral. |
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Post by aljack on Jul 3, 2019 23:27:55 GMT
I was reading this earlier today and felt sick to my stomach.
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Post by Merge on Jul 3, 2019 23:33:58 GMT
Two different cases, two different judges - one male (the OP) and one female (later case). Unfortunately, women can be misogynistic too - and learned hatred of women from numerous sources. When I was teaching at a military academy, my Dh (also teaching there) and I were always floored by how the female cadets tore each other down in cases of sexual assault, and supported the male assaulters even though all involved were fellow cadets. My MIL is exactly like that—always tearing the women down. She did it at my FIL’s funeral. It’s an attempt to align themselves with the power base. It’s a holdover from the days when women had no power at all except that granted by association with a powerful man. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 4, 2019 1:01:49 GMT
My MIL is exactly like that—always tearing the women down. She did it at my FIL’s funeral. It’s an attempt to align themselves with the power base. It’s a holdover from the days when women had no power at all except that granted by association with a powerful man. Exactly. I am old and have seen and lived this. With my generation and the generations before me the only power women had was manipulation and keeping other women down so they could be the one aligned with the males who had the power. It was a big back stabbing free for all. I also lived through the second wave of the women's movement and hoped that with the advances we have made that backward thinking would have been long gone by now. It makes me angry and sad at the same time when I see that it hasn't. |
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 4, 2019 1:16:59 GMT
I felt physically ill reading that. There are no words to describe the sickening feeling I get with this. That judge needs to be removed IMMEDIATELY. Yeah, there actually are a few words, but I may be banned if I write them here. |
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Post by rickmer on Jul 4, 2019 13:50:48 GMT
okay, didn't read all the responses so excuse me if this has already been posted...
if the boy who did it called it rape, how is it *not* rape?
even if he was drunk, he was still aware enough to call it rape at the time... he knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong.
this was not a case of a drunk, horny kid getting mixed signals and hoping for the best.*
(which would still be wrong... and still sexual assault...)
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jul 4, 2019 15:00:50 GMT
My MIL is exactly like that—always tearing the women down. She did it at my FIL’s funeral. It’s an attempt to align themselves with the power base. It’s a holdover from the days when women had no power at all except that granted by association with a powerful man. I saw this in the military a few times. It's gross. |
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Post by kate on Jul 4, 2019 16:12:11 GMT
IMO, the kid should have the book thrown at him. I have been staring at the screen in mute fury for many minutes now. I, too, feel sick. And he should the book thrown at him a second time for the video. That is so revolting.
He should be tried as the juvenile that he is, though. He has the brain development of a juvenile. I have a problem with juveniles being tried as adults.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jul 5, 2019 2:44:42 GMT
IMO, the kid should have the book thrown at him. I have been staring at the screen in mute fury for many minutes now. I, too, feel sick. And he should the book thrown at him a second time for the video. That is so revolting. He should be tried as the juvenile that he is, though. He has the brain development of a juvenile. I have a problem with juveniles being tried as adults. I do, too. Even for serious crimes like rape and murder. Putting them in with adult offenders is not the answer. But no slaps on the wrist either. The girl deserved justice. The boy needs a real lesson. And everyone who knows him and hears of this case needs to see that. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 9, 2019 4:04:40 GMT
Judge facing death threats after saying accused teen rapist came from 'a good family': report By Zack Budryk - 07/08/19 10:00 PM EDT A New Jersey judge has received death threats after his remarks urging leniency for a teen accused of sexual assault because he came from “a good family” were made public, according to the New York Times. In 2017, Judge James Troiano, denying requests by prosecutors to try the 16-year-old as an adult, wrote that the defendant “comes from a good family who put him into an excellent school where he was doing extremely well.” The teen was accused of recording himself sexually assaulting an intoxicated 16-year-old girl and sending the video to friends with the caption “when your first time is rape.” The unsealing of the comments in connection with an appeals court decision has led to widespread outrage, including calls for his resignation or disbarment and a protest scheduled to take place at Monmouth County Superior Court later this week, according to the Times. In addition to the public condemnation, Troiano has reportedly received threats including an email expressing hope that he be raped by a man “stronger than you,” according to the Times. Much of the condemnation has asserted that Troiano’s comments were indicative of a two-tiered justice system that favors wealth and class privilege. “It is such an elitist, classic outlook on life,” New Jersey Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg (D) told the Times. “It’s amazing to me that somebody could have grown up, gone to law school, become qualified to become a judge and could have possibly uttered something like this.” Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), a presidential candidate, has also condemned Troiano, saying in a statement, “Not only should this judge no longer serve — as he is clearly incapable of properly fulfilling his duties — but across the country, we must call out bad actors in the system, exposing their biases, and show women and survivors that we will doggedly pursue justice on their behalf,” according to the Times. ** thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/452108-judge-facing-death-threats-after-saying-accused-teen-rapist
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 9, 2019 4:07:29 GMT
We are shamed here in NJ!! Gov. Phil Murphy on Monday said he’s “extremely troubled” by comments made by a pair of New Jersey judges who have come under fire for how they handed two sexual assault cases involving minors.
But Murphy stopped short of saying the judges should resign. Instead, the Democratic governor said he supports an investigation by “the appropriate judicial watchdog."If the state Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct does launch a probe, it could result in the judges being removed from the bench. A number of top lawmakers and advocates are calling for them to be removed. “We are and claim to be a survivor-centric state, and those comments are completely at odds with that notion," Murphy told reporters after an unrelated event in Jersey City. “I think you have to go through how this works,” the governor added when pressed again. “The way it works for a judge: When you make a comment like that, which is completely at odds with who we are as a state, there’s a process for that. And I strongly support that process being pursued.” ** www.nj.com/politics/2019/07/murphy-declines-to-call-on-nj-judges-to-resign-for-comments-in-sexual-assault-cases-hes-extremely-troubled-by-them.html |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jul 9, 2019 7:56:58 GMT
Unbelievable.
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Post by trollie on Jul 9, 2019 13:39:34 GMT
And people wonder why victims don't report..... Surely, if she was actually raped she would have reported it. Why didn't she report it when it happened? Motherfuckers
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 9, 2019 15:57:39 GMT
“We are and claim to be a survivor-centric state, and those comments are completely at odds with that notion," Murphy told reporters after an unrelated event in Jersey City. Murphy still has an alleged rapist in his cabinet ( by this time he may be gone). He worked on the campaign as did a young woman who has accused him of rape. She has even testified in from of our legislature. She told her friend and her DH....Nada, nothing is being done so far! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 14:22:31 GMT
Paying attention WORKS
Taking action WORKS
Ignoring, apathy DON'T WORK!!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 18, 2019 15:38:48 GMT
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Post by schizo319 on Jul 18, 2019 18:22:16 GMT
Thanks @zingermack for the update. This has been such an infuriating case. I was hoping for an outcome like this after they dropped the "fetus murder" charge against the woman who was shot in the stomach a month or so ago, and the diminished charges (tresspass vs. theft) on the woman who took her abusive husband's guns to the police.
You're right, paying attention and taking action WORKS!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 20, 2019 19:10:46 GMT
Another one down!!
A man who was 16 when he allegedly raped a 12-year-old girl has been charged as an adult following a controversial ruling that originally denied his waiver from juvenile court.Estarlin Reyes-Martinez, 18, of New Brunswick, is charged with first-degree aggravated sexual assault, second-degree sexual assault and third-degree endangering the welfare of a minor.Superior Court Judge Marcia Silva initially denied a prosecution motion to waive the Middlesex County case to adult court, saying the alleged assault wasn’t “especially heinous or cruel” and that “beyond losing her virginity, the State did not claim that the victim suffered any further injuries, either physical, mental or emotional,” according to court records.
A state appeals court panel reversed that ruling in June, and Reyes-Martinez’s case has been moved up to adult court.Reyes-Martinez and the girl were “boyfriend and girlfriend,” according to the appellate ruling, and their families shared a house. He was sitting with friends on the front porch in July 2017, smoking marijuana, when she returned home from a friend’s house and went inside, the criminal complaint states. Reyes-Martinez allegedly followed her to a bedroom, grabbed her from behind, pushed her onto the bed and began undressing her, while ignoring her requests to stop. He was wearing a condom when he “penetrated her with force,” over her objections, according to the appellate ruling, which noted that the incident left her bleeding. **
The appellate court wrote that Silva should have focused on the defendant charged in this case and the related allegations.
“The point of a waiver hearing is not to provide an opportunity for a judge to school the state as to how to view the evidence, but merely to decide whether or not the state’s conclusions about the charges were an abuse of discretion,” the appellate judges wrote.
“The judge not only failed to apply the abuse of discretion standard, she mistakenly applied her judgment in doing so, including minimization of the harm wrought on a twelve-year-old child by E.R.M., assuming her claims are true.”
** more at link: www.nj.com/middlesex/2019/07/teen-accused-of-raping-12-year-old-girl-now-charged-as-adult-following-judges-controversial-comments.html |
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